Bush's EPA director quits

[Moonbeam]

Are you sure you're not Jerry Brown.
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Yeah, Jerry's just named after me.
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So we are left to deduce truth from the observable reality and to do so with our bias in full force. It then becomes moot because you may see the same thing differn'tly. No?
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Pretty true, but I have also noticed I'm always right.

 

[przero]

Oh my, you don't think we will all be killed by rainwater running off of cattle feeder lots now that she's gone do you?
Good riddence!
And again tell me the constitutional authority for the EPA. Man, and I thought the 10th amendment really meant something.

 

[Shantanu]

Christine Todd Whitman was utterly useless. Bush should replace her with a Texas oil man just to piss the liberals off.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Are you sure you're not Jerry Brown.
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Yeah, Jerry's just named after me.
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So we are left to deduce truth from the observable reality and to do so with our bias in full force. It then becomes moot because you may see the same thing differn'tly. No?
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Pretty true, but I have also noticed I'm always right.

Then it WAS you he referred to when he said "mentor"... it is clear now.. real clear.

I noticed you are always right as well... from my perch on the left and against the wall there is no room for anyone to be left of me.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Christine Todd Whitman was utterly useless. Bush should replace her with a Texas oil man just to piss the liberals off.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Christine Todd Whitman was utterly useless. Bush should replace her with a Texas oil man just to piss the liberals off.

If Bush replaced Whitman with the president of greenpeace, the left would consider the president of greenpeace a tool that had been bought and paid for.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's the guy I always heard Jerry speak of as an important influence.

IvAN Illich

 

[classy]

Outside of his handling of 9/11, Iraq is still so so, no matter how you slice it Bush has been a complete disaster. Numbers so scary that we could hit a depression. His tax cut policys are complete failures. Who cares about a $600 tax break now and you can't even get a job.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Christine Todd Whitman was utterly useless. Bush should replace her with a Texas oil man just to piss the liberals off.

If Bush replaced Whitman with the president of greenpeace, the left would consider the president of greenpeace a tool that had been bought and paid for.

First off all, the president of greenpeace whoever he/she is would refuse to accept being a tool for the Bush administration in the first place if he/she has any self respect.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Shantanu
Christine Todd Whitman was utterly useless. Bush should replace her with a Texas oil man just to piss the liberals off.

If Bush replaced Whitman with the president of greenpeace, the left would consider the president of greenpeace a tool that had been bought and paid for.

First off all, the president of greenpeace whoever he/she is would refuse to accept being a tool for the Bush administration in the first place if he/she has any self respect.

By you tone, it appears my statement is quite correct. Any decent environmentalist would be getting the same treatment that Whitman is getting now. That is pretty sad.

 

[Zrom999]

Another member of the administration resigning... maybe Bush should take a hint.

 

[sMiLeYz]

By you tone, it appears my statement is quite correct. Any decent environmentalist would be getting the same treatment that Whitman is getting now. That is pretty sad.

Again another conservative taking my words out of context...

First off all, I understand and sympathize with a person in her position and most environmentalist do as well. Shes frustrated with a administration that has no use for her or her agency, and yet she has to deflect the criticism of George Bush's blatent disregard for environmental issues.

She was deluding herself however in believing that she could work in compromises with the Bush administration, however.
Am I blaming her for Bush's failures? No. I understand shes in a lose-lose situation, the best choice she could make was to resign.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

By you tone, it appears my statement is quite correct. Any decent environmentalist would be getting the same treatment that Whitman is getting now. That is pretty sad.

Again another conservative taking my words out of context...

First off all, I understand and sympathize with a person in her position and most environmentalist do as well. Shes frustrated with a administration that has no use for her or her agency, and yet she has to deflect the criticism of George Bush's blatent disregard for environmental issues.

Am I blaming her for Bush's failures? No. I understand shes in a lose-lose situation, the best choice she could make was to resign.

But you deny what has happened with the environment while she has been there.
Plans to cut smoke stack emissions 70% with proven technology. Is this a failure?
Plans to improve forest management so forest fires will be less damaging. Is this a failure? Hint this is not unrestricted logging.
Upheld Clintons executive order on arsenic in water after it was further studied.
Slight increase in cafe standards.
Increase in funding in fuel cells.

One cant expect the cheif of EPA to get everything thing they want, but resonable comprimises from both sides have been made in my opinion.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Plans to cut smoke stack emissions 70% with proven technology. Is this a failure?

You're not talking about the "Clear Skies act" are you? Hah! Any self respecting and knowledgable environmentalist would see what a crock that act is.

Plans to improve forest management so forest fires will be less damaging.

Forest management = cutting more trees. Nice way to spin it though.

Upheld Clintons executive order on arsenic in water after it was further studied.

You didnt see the 30 some Clinton era imposed regulations Bush reversed immediately when he got in office did you?

Increase in funding in fuel cells.

He put 1.2 billion in to it, hell it costs about that much to build one of our dozen stealth bombers.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Plans to cut smoke stack emissions 70% with proven technology. Is this a failure?

You're not talking about the "Clear Skies act" are you? Hah! Any self respecting and knowledgable environmentalist would see what a crock that act is.
It does mandate a timelime for installation of scrubbers on power plants that reduce emissions 70%. It also dedicates another couple billion to clean coal technology.

Tell me exactly how this is bad?

Plans to improve forest management so forest fires will be less damaging.

Forest management = cutting more trees. Nice way to spin it though.

Yes forest management involves cutting trees. No forest management involves massive forest fires.
Pick your poison, but managed forest win the long run. Try doing some research on managed forests, I think you will be surprised by what you find.

Upheld Clintons executive order on arsenic in water after it was further studied.

You didnt see the 30 some Clinton era imposed regulations Bush reversed immediately when he got in office did you?
I think the only executive order that that deatl with the environment that got looked at, was the one reguarding arsenic in water and it remains on the books after further study. But yes Bush did overturn some executive orders when he came into office.

Increase in funding in fuel cells.

He put 1.2 billion in to it, hell it costs about that much to build one of our dozen stealth bombers.

That is true, but the 2 billion invested in clean coal technology when the clean air act was passed was able to develope effective smokestack scrubbers. More could be spent, but that goes for everything in the budget.

 

[Ferocious]

Wow, maybe she actually cared a little about the environment???

(a big no-no in this administration)

 

[cpumaster]

she probably doesn't want to be known as the EPA chief that oversaw Bush govt effort to destroy US & world environment, literally & figuratively.

 

[Moonbeam]

We needto protect industry for the jobs so people can make a decent living right up to the day we go extinct.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

I guess thats it then...the Earth will be dead in 6 months now, she was the only thing holding GW back from slaughtering the planet with one fell swoop. Maybe evolution will bring us back around and a couple of million years we can have another go at it. Next time I'll go democrat...

 

[DZip]

Maybe she just wants to move on. Why does everyone think that every decision these public figures make a result of Presisent Bush. Should they be forced to stay? Get a life people, we all change jobs for many different reasons. Why can't they?

 

[Moonbeam]

Get a life DZip, among many reasons certain ones leap readily to mind. We don't live in a vacuum. The human mind is a powerful inference engine, some human minds at least. Whey you know yourself, you know everybody, no? The best inferences will surely come, therefore, no, from those with the most insight into themselves?

 

[etech]

sMiLeYz

Forest management = cutting more trees. Nice way to spin it though.

That's the way the Daschle "spun" it. What's your problem with it?

Daschle seeks environmental exemption
July 24, 2002

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle quietly slipped into a spending bill language exempting his home state of South Dakota from environmental regulations and lawsuits, in order to allow logging in an effort to prevent forest fires.
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"As we have seen in the last several weeks, the fire danger in the Black Hills is high and we need to get crews on the ground as soon as possible to reduce this risk and protect property and lives," Mr. Daschle said in a statement late Monday night after a House-Senate conference committee agreed on the language.
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You didnt see the 30 some Clinton era imposed regulations Bush reversed immediately when he got in office did you?

Were those the regulations that Clinton imposed in his last few days in office? If they were so important to the US than why did Clinton wait until he was leaving office to impose them?

I'd really like you to answer that, Why did Clinton wait until the last few months of his being in office to impose those regulation?

 

[Moonbeam]

Washington cut down a cherry tree so the whole United States is evil. There's no point in critiquing Bush because we are all the Debble.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: etech
sMiLeYz

Forest management = cutting more trees. Nice way to spin it though.

That's the way the Daschle "spun" it. What's your problem with it?

Daschle seeks environmental exemption
July 24, 2002

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle quietly slipped into a spending bill language exempting his home state of South Dakota from environmental regulations and lawsuits, in order to allow logging in an effort to prevent forest fires.
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"As we have seen in the last several weeks, the fire danger in the Black Hills is high and we need to get crews on the ground as soon as possible to reduce this risk and protect property and lives," Mr. Daschle said in a statement late Monday night after a House-Senate conference committee agreed on the language.
...
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You didnt see the 30 some Clinton era imposed regulations Bush reversed immediately when he got in office did you?

Were those the regulations that Clinton imposed in his last few days in office? If they were so important to the US than why did Clinton wait until he was leaving office to impose them?

I'd really like you to answer that, Why did Clinton wait until the last few months of his being in office to impose those regulation?

The same reason Bush Sr. waited until his last night in power to pardon all the crooks in Ronnie's staff, little did we know he was only maintaining their employability until his son could take over......

 

[etech]

The same reason Bush Sr. waited until his last night in power to pardon all the crooks in Ronnie's staff, little did we know he was only maintaining their employability until his son could take over......

I see a difference between pardons at the end of a term and imposing regulations that would cost the country billions to implement.

I'm pretty sure that some will not want to get into the discussion of presidential pardons.