Bush "Un"Fair Labor Act starts Monday, Millions will suffer

[bozack]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
What a stupid statment!! If the law allows it, the companies will do it. Corporations have no moral code, it is only the letter of the law that restricts them.

What a stupid statment!!

I have personally worked for three companies in the past four years that have offered better pay, better beneifts and provided a much better work place than was mandated by the law....your assumptions about all companies and their practices seems pretty bleak and might be a reflection of your actual work experience and or the substandard companies which bothered to hire you.

I work plenty of overtime at my current job, and truth be told I never bill them for it as I know they are having a tough time budget wise and I really like the company and also my work.

Dave, maybe if you spent less time bitching on here and more either improving whatever skillset you have or even better your people skills you might get a real job working for a decent company and then possibly your outlook will improve...

However I have been told by a few recruiters in the area that they are purposley skipping over those who have a track record of sporadic short term employment and or long term unemployment as they have said they are the least skilled and also least motivated, instead they recruit people like me who have virtually no "down time" and have worked for successful companies 🙂...and this is in possibly the worst area for IT, go figure.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
What a stupid statment!! If the law allows it, the companies will do it. Corporations have no moral code, it is only the letter of the law that restricts them.

What a stupid statment!!

I have personally worked for three companies in the past four years that have offered better pay, better beneifts and provided a much better work place than was mandated by the law....your assumptions about all companies and their practices seems pretty bleak and might be a reflection of your actual work experience and or the substandard companies which bothered to hire you.

I work plenty of overtime at my current job, and truth be told I never bill them for it as I know they are having a tough time budget wise and I really like the company and also my work.

Well, let's see. The town I live in only has one employer who hires people with my skills. So, yeah, my experience is pretty bleak. Yeah, uh, I'd even go so far as to say that bleak is an understatement.

Is it a substandard company? No doubt about it. Your assumptions about the working conditions and employment opportunities in my area are pretty naive actually. It might be a reflection of the green behind your ears though.

You work plenty of overtime? Maybe your the one who is substandard. Try going back to school and getting more education maybe. Uh'huh...yeaahh. You know, if you don't mind working for cheap I might be able to find something for you........

Why don't you just go get cutsie and insult someone else, OK. 🙂

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

BTW, all the 'senior' level employees at my company sit around all day and drink coffee. They don't do a damn thing because they have been around they don't care anymore. Its generally the new employees that are working the hardest because they are the most grateful to have a job.

Sounds like sour grapes coming from someone who was passed over for a promotion!

Hell no, I am paid quite well for what I do.. I have no complaints what so ever about the amount I work or the amount I get paid. These people that have been around forever with the company are the ones getting laid off when job cuts come around, because the company knows what they do. Not that I blame them a whole lot, someone who has been doing the same job for 20 years gets bored and complacent. But believe me, I don't care, because that has led to several very large raises for me.

 

[351Cleveland]

Have you guys actually READ the new regulations? They dont change all that much. In fact, if anything, they ADD people. I am an accountant with a Master's degree, and I had to SERIOUSLY look for the exemption for myself. I could put up a heck of a fight against my employer to get overtime, and more than likely win. Talking to the VP of Human Resources, they arent working towards seeing whose overtime they can CUT, rather looking for people who would now GET overtime

You guys are mental.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Have you guys actually READ the new regulations? They dont change all that much. In fact, if anything, they ADD people. I am an accountant with a Master's degree, and I had to SERIOUSLY look for the exemption for myself. I could put up a heck of a fight against my employer to get overtime, and more than likely win. Talking to the VP of Human Resources, they arent working towards seeing whose overtime they can CUT, rather looking for people who would now GET overtime

You guys are mental.

WHO COULD LOSE OVERTIME UNDER NEW LAW

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

NURSES


http://www.local6.com/money/3669681/detail.html

I guess if they want to pay you overtime, that is up to them. The way I read it, they don't have to pay overtime to an accountant. It will probably turn out like the seat belt law. At first they didn't enforce it. Then they would ticket you if they stopped you for something else and you weren't wearing your seat belt. Now they will pull you over and ticket you if they see you don't have your seatbelt on.

WHO GAINS OVERTIME UNDER NEW LAW

Workers earning $23,660 or below automatically must receive overtime now. That raises the income bar

That part looks pretty good. I don't know how many other jobs are exempted besides the ones listed. I know most agriculture employees don't qualify for overtime. But with my one track mind I think everyone working over 40 hr/wk should get overtime or comp time. In other word, you shouldn't have to fight them for it IMO.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bozack

Dave, maybe if you spent less time bitching on here and more either improving whatever skillset you have or even better your people skills you might get a real job working for a decent company and then possibly your outlook will improve...

However I have been told by a few recruiters in the area that they are purposley skipping over those who have a track record of sporadic short term employment and or long term unemployment as they have said they are the least skilled and also least motivated, instead they recruit people like me who have virtually no "down time" and have worked for successful companies 🙂...and this is in possibly the worst area for IT, go figure.

Of course, it's my fault Hayes Modems went bankrupt. I must've come away with millions for purposely driving a Stock down and pocketing the shorting, what did I do with all that money? Oh that's right, I was just a lowly peon Engineer that made the Product, what was I thinking??? 😕

 

[Isla]

The company my husband works for has started requiring a 50 hour week instead of a 40 hour week... no overtime pay.

Flexible hours and working from home is also getting cut.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Isla
The company my husband works for has started requiring a 50 hour week instead of a 40 hour week... no overtime pay.

Flexible hours and working from home is also getting cut.

In conjunction with the new law? What does your husband do?

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Have you guys actually READ the new regulations? They dont change all that much. In fact, if anything, they ADD people. I am an accountant with a Master's degree, and I had to SERIOUSLY look for the exemption for myself. I could put up a heck of a fight against my employer to get overtime, and more than likely win. Talking to the VP of Human Resources, they arent working towards seeing whose overtime they can CUT, rather looking for people who would now GET overtime

You guys are mental.

WHO COULD LOSE OVERTIME UNDER NEW LAW

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

NURSES


http://www.local6.com/money/3669681/detail.html

I guess if they want to pay you overtime, that is up to them. The way I read it, they don't have to pay overtime to an accountant. It will probably turn out like the seat belt law. At first they didn't enforce it. Then they would ticket you if they stopped you for something else and you weren't wearing your seat belt. Now they will pull you over and ticket you if they see you don't have your seatbelt on.

WHO GAINS OVERTIME UNDER NEW LAW

Workers earning $23,660 or below automatically must receive overtime now. That raises the income bar

That part looks pretty good. I don't know how many other jobs are exempted besides the ones listed. I know most agriculture employees don't qualify for overtime. But with my one track mind I think everyone working over 40 hr/wk should get overtime or comp time. In other word, you shouldn't have to fight them for it IMO.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Have you guys actually READ the new regulations? They dont change all that much. In fact, if anything, they ADD people. I am an accountant with a Master's degree, and I had to SERIOUSLY look for the exemption for myself. I could put up a heck of a fight against my employer to get overtime, and more than likely win. Talking to the VP of Human Resources, they arent working towards seeing whose overtime they can CUT, rather looking for people who would now GET overtime

You guys are mental.

WHO COULD LOSE OVERTIME UNDER NEW LAW

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

My wife is an accountant, and she has not been overtime in quite some time and accountants tend to work alot of hours....

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

My wife is an accountant, and she has not been overtime in quite some time and accountants tend to work alot of hours....[/quote]

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

My wife is an accountant, and she has not been overtime in quite some time and accountants tend to work alot of hours....

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|[/quote]


We could also do without the incessant oligphrenic whining from people who are too fscking stupid to get a job. You're the biggest fscking loser on this board, Dave. Your wife finally realized it and kicked your ass to the curb. When are you going to wake up and realize your problems are just exactly that . . . YOURS.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

White-collar workers earning $100,000 or more a year.
In addition, people from a number of professions identified as generally exempt from overtime: pharmacists, dental hygienists, physician assistants, accountants, chefs, athletic trainers with degrees or specialized training, computer system analysts, programmers and software engineers, funeral directors, embalmers, journalists, financial services industry workers, insurance claims adjusters, human resource managers, management consultants, executive and administrative assistants, purchasing agents and registered or certified medical technologists.
Employers are told to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.

My wife is an accountant, and she has not been overtime in quite some time and accountants tend to work alot of hours....

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|[/quote]


dave she became salaried after her last promotion. In her old peon position(as you would call it), she got overtime.

 

[351Cleveland]

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|

1) Accountants are rich? *looks around* Damn, someone forgot to tell me, and my wife and I are BOTH accountants. Then again, we own our own home (well, the bank owns everything but the master bathroom, and not the WHOLE bathroom, just the sectioned area with the toilet), we have 2 cars (and accompanying loans), and we give to charity. Yep, sounds like an upper class elite to me. 😕

2) Where is he bragging? Because his wife has a job as an accountant? Are you serious!?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|

1) Accountants are rich? *looks around* Damn, someone forgot to tell me, and my wife and I are BOTH accountants. Then again, we own our own home (well, the bank owns everything but the master bathroom, and not the WHOLE bathroom, just the sectioned area with the toilet), we have 2 cars (and accompanying loans), and we give to charity. Yep, sounds like an upper class elite to me. 😕

2) Where is he bragging? Because his wife has a job as an accountant? Are you serious!?

Oh my, a pair of accountants only making $23,660 each??? Do you really expect any of us to believe that? 😕

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime??? 😕

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons. :thumbsdown: :|

1) Accountants are rich? *looks around* Damn, someone forgot to tell me, and my wife and I are BOTH accountants. Then again, we own our own home (well, the bank owns everything but the master bathroom, and not the WHOLE bathroom, just the sectioned area with the toilet), we have 2 cars (and accompanying loans), and we give to charity. Yep, sounds like an upper class elite to me. 😕

2) Where is he bragging? Because his wife has a job as an accountant? Are you serious!?

Oh my, a pair of accountants only making $23,660 each??? Do you really expect any of us to believe that? 😕

Well, my post is also in the quote, if you could point out to me where I said that my wife and I only hade $23,660, I would be much obliged.

FYI, the law doesnt say that anyone OVER $23,660 DOESNT get overtime, it simply says anyone UNDER that dollar amount doesnt have to satisfy any tests to get overtime.

Again, have you read the new law?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Well, my post is also in the quote, if you could point out to me where I said that my wife and I only hade $23,660, I would be much obliged.

FYI, the law doesnt say that anyone OVER $23,660 DOESNT get overtime, it simply says anyone UNDER that dollar amount doesnt have to satisfy any tests to get overtime.

There you go, isn't easy to get back ON Topic?

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Well, my post is also in the quote, if you could point out to me where I said that my wife and I only hade $23,660, I would be much obliged.

FYI, the law doesnt say that anyone OVER $23,660 DOESNT get overtime, it simply says anyone UNDER that dollar amount doesnt have to satisfy any tests to get overtime.

There you go, isn't easy to get back ON Topic?

Of course, what do the Rich care about not getting overtime???

We really could do without the bragging from the Elite at the expense of lowly paid peons.

For those with short term memory loss, I was responding to YOUR post to begin with. Who was off topic when?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Well, my post is also in the quote, if you could point out to me where I said that my wife and I only hade $23,660, I would be much obliged.

FYI, the law doesnt say that anyone OVER $23,660 DOESNT get overtime, it simply says anyone UNDER that dollar amount doesnt have to satisfy any tests to get overtime.

There you go, isn't easy to get back ON Topic?

For those with short term memory loss, I was responding to YOUR post to begin with. Who was off topic when?

Well I had a pair of P&amp;N Rich Elite posting Off Topic so what do you expect? <shrugs>

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Well, my post is also in the quote, if you could point out to me where I said that my wife and I only hade $23,660, I would be much obliged.

FYI, the law doesnt say that anyone OVER $23,660 DOESNT get overtime, it simply says anyone UNDER that dollar amount doesnt have to satisfy any tests to get overtime.

There you go, isn't easy to get back ON Topic?

For those with short term memory loss, I was responding to YOUR post to begin with. Who was off topic when?

Well I had a pair of P&amp;N Rich Elite posting Off Topic so what do you expect? <shrugs>

I guess I didnt see it as off-topic. Sorry for being a Rich Elite.

 

[Isla]

351Cleveland

Regarding your inquiry. He is a computer professional, team leader, etc. etc. He can be paged at any time and often works in the middle of the night (from home) when the system goes down.

He's always worked more than 40 hours a week, but now the company is requiring 50 hours per week in the office. Same pay as 40 hours, of course. Since they are constantly cutting positions and replacing them with 'offshore' or FOB workers, there is a corporate atmosphere of 'you better just live with it because you are lucky to have a job!'.

I'm quite certain the company feels secure in treating employees this way because of the support they have from the current administration to do so.

We are not crying about the money. We are dismayed at the way you can work so hard and then just be devalued and intimidated.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, let's see. The town I live in only has one employer who hires people with my skills. So, yeah, my experience is pretty bleak. Yeah, uh, I'd even go so far as to say that bleak is an understatement.

Is it a substandard company? No doubt about it. Your assumptions about the working conditions and employment opportunities in my area are pretty naive actually. It might be a reflection of the green behind your ears though.

You work plenty of overtime? Maybe your the one who is substandard. Try going back to school and getting more education maybe. Uh'huh...yeaahh. You know, if you don't mind working for cheap I might be able to find something for you........

Why don't you just go get cutsie and insult someone else, OK. 🙂

If your location does not provide the means for you to be gainfully employed in a field which you prefer wouldn't one then consider possibly relocating into an area which has more than one substandard employer? "Think McFly, Think"

Also what does my working overtime have to do with my level of edumacation? I know many who are very very intelligent who also work mucho overtime as they enjoy their work and the companies which they either own or work for....I work overtime not because I "have to" if anything they encourage you to leave after your 40, but because I like what I do and the people whom I do it with, I know they can use the help and have no problems with doing a little more, going above and beyond what is called for....

Too early to be reading moronic statements like yours though....

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Well, let's see. The town I live in only has one employer who hires people with my skills. So, yeah, my experience is pretty bleak. Yeah, uh, I'd even go so far as to say that bleak is an understatement.

Is it a substandard company? No doubt about it. Your assumptions about the working conditions and employment opportunities in my area are pretty naive actually. It might be a reflection of the green behind your ears though.

You work plenty of overtime? Maybe your the one who is substandard. Try going back to school and getting more education maybe. Uh'huh...yeaahh. You know, if you don't mind working for cheap I might be able to find something for you........

Why don't you just go get cutsie and insult someone else, OK. 🙂

If your location does not provide the means for you to be gainfully employed in a field which you prefer wouldn't one then consider possibly relocating into an area which has more than one substandard employer? "Think McFly, Think"

Also what does my working overtime have to do with my level of edumacation? I know many who are very very intelligent who also work mucho overtime as they enjoy their work and the companies which they either own or work for....I work overtime not because I "have to" if anything they encourage you to leave after your 40, but because I like what I do and the people whom I do it with, I know they can use the help and have no problems with doing a little more, going above and beyond what is called for....

Too early to be reading moronic statements like yours though....

I guess if the overtime worked is on a vouluntary basis and not forced and you can control the amount and maybe even the times when you work it, then some overtime might be enjoyable. I still think you're either a fool, a brown noser, or insecure in your employment (maybe a combination of all 3?) if you are working a substanial amount of overtime for free.

As for your simplisitic notion that I should move. I have many reasons that I'm not going to go into, but I just don't care to move. I'm a life long resident of the area. I've lived in big cities for a short time and I hate the rat race there. I choose to stay here and try to effect positive change. Since it is almost immposible to get a decent company to locate out here in the sticks, my only option is to try and effect changes in the laws that govern the existing companies to try and improve conditions. I will continue to do that and if you don't agree with me, then that is just too dam bad. The first thing on the agenda is to get rid of Bush. He has messed up and at the same time polarized the whole country and the world. He and his policies need to go. I've never been this worked up about an election. I can't wait to vote against him. 😀

I'm happy for you that you enjoy your job. I think everyone should. It just seems to me you don't understand the situation here and/or don't really give a dam.

 

[Genx87]

1EZduzit

Thanks for providing some information on the law. I tried finding something lastnight on the usual liberal outlets. But all I could find was baseless whining from them without anything to back it up.

Honestly outside of govt jobs I dont know many people who work for more than 35K a year who qualify for ot. At that point most of the time you are salaried and thus exempt from OT anyways.

I do however find it rather amazing how people can say people will be screwed when they set a minimum income for recieving OT.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Here's an interesting link for the Department of Labor

I'm checking it out right now for myself.