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Bush takes US closer to "Old Europe"

Riprorin

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NEW SCHOOL TESTING TAKES THE U.S. CLOSER TO "OLD EUROPE"
By Jonathan Zimmerman
Los Angeles Times Op. Ed.
August 19, 2003

Twenty years ago this fall, I joined the Peace Corps. Posted as an English teacher in Nepal, I arrived with a characteristic American blend of zeal and naiveté. Rather than simply drilling my students in the required curriculum, I resolved, I would teach them how to think.

Yet whenever I introduced a game or a song or anything outside of the official course of study the students bridled. "Sir," they complained, "this is not on the SLC."

The SLC was the School Leaving Certificate examination, which all Nepalese had to pass to qualify for higher education and lucrative government jobs. Although Nepal was never colonized by the West, its school system closely resembled neighboring India and other former imperial outposts. To get anywhere in life, you had to get past the SLC.

My Peace Corps friends and I often commiserated about the evils of the test. It made students anxious; it encouraged rote instruction; it fostered cheating. As I wrote in a letter home, the SLC was "the worst educational legacy that Europe gave to the world."

Little did I know that the U.S. would embrace this legacy two decades later. At last count, 24 U.S. states require or plan to require that students pass exit exams to earn high school diplomas. Under President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, meanwhile, states will have to administer annual tests in six elementary and junior high grades. In our schools, the U.S. is becoming more like Donald Rumsfeld's "Old Europe" than many of us care to admit.

Remember Old Europe? For the most part, Bush and Rumsfeld would prefer that you forgot it. On issues from arms control and the environment to the World Court and the war in Iraq, the White House has repeatedly flouted or ignored our putative allies across the Atlantic.

When it comes to education, however, the U.S. has moved in a remarkably European direction. Bush and his followers have demanded public vouchers for parochial schools, a mainstay of many European democracies for a century. Most of all, though, both the federal government and the states are requiring new high-stakes tests that put Old Europe to shame.

Consider two children, one who grows up in Massachusetts and another in Britain. Already, to graduate from high school, the Massachusetts student must pass the English and math portions of the state's school-leaving test. Starting with the 2005-06 school year, federal law will require her to take reading and math exams every year from third grade through eighth. Her school will have to report its annual results; if it does not show sufficient improvement, she will become eligible to transfer elsewhere.

The British student, by contrast, will have to take exams only three times: at ages 7, 11 and 14. The first set of tests is graded within each school, and the results are kept private; the second set is marked by external reviewers, with the results still private. Only the third exam, also graded externally, is reported to the public. The worst-performing schools then face a variety of sanctions, including the replacement of their staffs.

Defenders of high-stakes testing in the U.S. might point out that Massachusetts devises its own tests, whereas Britain administers a single nationwide exam. True enough. But other European countries allow more local flexibility. In Germany, for example, state education ministries write their own questions for the national exam that qualifies students for university.

Still other countries differentiate their examinations according to academic disciplines. All French candidates for higher education take the same national test in core subjects, but they also choose additional exams in an area of concentration: liberal arts, social sciences and so on.

Given our history of local control in education, it's hard to imagine the U.S. requiring a single national test. But our desire to require high school leaving tests ? no matter who writes them has already eroded a distinctive American educational tradition, bringing us closer to the European model.

That's not necessarily a bad development. For too long, many American schools have operated with low standards, or with no standards at all. If we craft the new exams with care and act upon their results, the tests might spur student learning. Or, as I saw in Nepal, they might simply spawn more corruption, cynicism and rote instruction.

For good or ill, though, the new education reforms will make us more like other countries, especially European ones. Even as we turn our noses up at the rest of the world, our schools are starting to emulate it.

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Vouchers would be the greatest thing that could happen to America. Private, and especially boarding school children sit on top of the SAT and income chain. Course they would have to be enough...probably ~6000 a year. My district spends more than that (8000 perpupil) and has 50% drop out rate.
 
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?

I think that's exactly it. Rip has officially declared jihad on condom, the public education system, atheists and the democratic party. Did I miss anything?

I really can't wait until Rip's kids grow up. I really want to see what is the result of his personal education beliefs will be on his kids.
 
i don't get how vouchers can be good when a lot of people can't afford to send their children to private schools, and because many parents will, teh school system will weaken due to lost funds?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Topic Title: Bush takes US closer to "Old Europe"
Topic Summary: This should be good news to the liberals, or is it?

"Old Europe" as in 1930's Germany. Only the RRR FLL's would love that :roll:
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?

I think that's exactly it. Rip has officially declared jihad on condom, the public education system, atheists and the democratic party. Did I miss anything?

I really can't wait until Rip's kids grow up. I really want to see what is the result of his personal education beliefs will be on his kids.

It will be just like kids who get out of Catholic school after 12 years of indoctrination and attempted brain-washing. They'll engage in nothing but random sport-sex, strip clubs and drug/alcohol abuse. Or there's a slim chance they'll go "Koresh" and start a remote compound stocked with weapons where they can resist the evil western culture they've learned to hate.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?

I think that's exactly it. Rip has officially declared jihad on condom, the public education system, atheists and the democratic party. Did I miss anything?

I really can't wait until Rip's kids grow up. I really want to see what is the result of his personal education beliefs will be on his kids.

It will be just like kids who get out of Catholic school after 12 years of indoctrination and attempted brain-washing. They'll engage in nothing but random sport-sex, strip clubs and drug/alcohol abuse. Or there's a slim chance they'll go "Koresh" and start a remote compound stocked with weapons where they can resist the evil western culture they've learned to hate.

Most of the catholic school kids I knew didn't wait till they got out of high school.
 
The problem with American educational system is not that there are too many kids left behind, but that there aren't enough. Sometimes you just gotta leave a few troublemakers behind to make sure the remaining ones can move ahead.
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?

I think that's exactly it. Rip has officially declared jihad on condom, the public education system, atheists and the democratic party. Did I miss anything?

I really can't wait until Rip's kids grow up. I really want to see what is the result of his personal education beliefs will be on his kids.

It's no different from Germany allowing that Reicht take over.
The OP obviously is vying for a top position in the RRR Republican Regime.

 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why did you even bring up liberals when this has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Bush's NCLB act? Are you retarded or have you declared jihad on liberals no matter what the "national crisis" ju jour seems to be?

I think that's exactly it. Rip has officially declared jihad on condom, the public education system, atheists and the democratic party. Did I miss anything?

I really can't wait until Rip's kids grow up. I really want to see what is the result of his personal education beliefs will be on his kids.

It will be just like kids who get out of Catholic school after 12 years of indoctrination and attempted brain-washing. They'll engage in nothing but random sport-sex, strip clubs and drug/alcohol abuse. Or there's a slim chance they'll go "Koresh" and start a remote compound stocked with weapons where they can resist the evil western culture they've learned to hate.

Catholic schools are very effective at making whores and atheists.
 
If the public school teachers and administration in this country weren't so completely shitacular, then they wouldn't be so afraid of testing. What chutzpah they have to now turn around and complain about the very methods we use to see how much of a f*cking disgrace their performance is.

[obligatory whine from the public school apologists] "but the teachers don't get paid enough! That's why they suck!" [/obligatory whine from the public school apologists]

No, their suckiness is completely independent of how much they are paid. The members of the SF 49ers are paid millions and the team still sucks. And to be perfectly frank, I'm offended at teachers whining about their pay when they are consistently outputing the worst performing kids in the third world. If anything, their pay needs to be cut for incompetence, indeed for many of them it should be cut to zero.
 
Here is a good starting point. LMAO!

You guys want to see and old time 8th grade test that todays college grades could'nt even pass? I know I could'nt and have MS.🙂
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, KS. USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS and reprinted by the Salina Journal. (Linda)




8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS - 1895

Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. per bu., deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 hass a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for
incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per are, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates:
1607
1620
1800
1849
1865

Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir,
odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences,
Cite, site, sight,
fane, fain, feign,
vane, vain, vein,
raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.


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Imagine a college student who went to public school trying to pass this test, even if the few outdated questions were modernized.
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Gives the saying of an early 20th century person that "she/he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning!


 
The only reason that test seems hard is because they ask for particular answers that come down to having memorized certain things. The main thing it tests is the ability to memorize. The math is not that hard if you compensated for the outdated units of measurement.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
The only reason that test seems hard is because they ask for particular answers that come down to having memorized certain things. The main thing it tests is the ability to memorize. The math is not that hard if you compensated for the outdated units of measurement.

There is plenty of reasoning in that test, essay format, not to mention hardy any college grads could pass it let alone todays moronic 8th graders or the teachers who teach them. THIS is the reason why people like Paris Hilton or worse can get through high school these days. Think you're so smart? You answer 80% passing, no cheating.. they did'nt have calcs, intraweb, or "open book" tests back then.
 
Essay format? It looks like short-answer to me. If it were essay it would just be an incoherent jumble. It just strikes me as a typical regurgitation exam-- difficult only if you haven't learned the requisite material. And the arithmetic is just arithmetic. You can take even well-known subjects and make random questions like those if you really want to...

For example, look at:
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.

It's not hard in and of itself. It just seems hard because we don't know the arbitrary epochs they assigned.
 
Essay format? It looks like short-answer to me.
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Some are some arn't. I can tell you'd fail already since you can't even recognise proper question format.

"What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? " , could easily exceed a page covering the basics.


It just strikes me as a typical regurgitation exam-- difficult only if you haven't learned the requisite material.
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Um point is you should know the requisite material if you graduated HS. That's why they gave tests like that.

It's not hard in and of itself. It just seems hard because we don't know the arbitrary epochs they assigned.
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That's called using your brain and not wrote memorization. Chose any you want and talk about them... Use wars, use economic discoveries, use political changes whatever and go. Again Essay
 
Originally posted by: Zebo

Essay format? It looks like short-answer to me.
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Some are some arn't. I can tell you'd fail already since you can't even recognise proper question format.

"What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? " , could easily exceed a page covering the basics.


It just strikes me as a typical regurgitation exam-- difficult only if you haven't learned the requisite material.
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Um point is you should know the requisite material if you graduated HS. That's why they gave tests like that.

You have no idea if "some" are essay format. The evidence suggests none of them were essay questions. How long do you think this test was? If that climate question asked for a page answer do you comprehend how long the total exam would be? You think they were asking for forty pages from 8th graders in a single sitting?

Anyway, just my opinion that this doesn't seem that hard especially when you consider the skills asked for which basically ask for arithmetic, basic writing skills, and memorization.

 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Essay format? It looks like short-answer to me. If it were essay it would just be an incoherent jumble. It just strikes me as a typical regurgitation exam-- difficult only if you haven't learned the requisite material. And the arithmetic is just arithmetic. You can take even well-known subjects and make random questions like those if you really want to...

For example, look at:
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.

It's not hard in and of itself. It just seems hard because we don't know the arbitrary epochs they assigned.

Yeah, Zebo, I'm not sure you have any idea what schools need to teach. I probably couldn't answer the random question Infohawk posted, not because I'm dumb or poorly taught, but because I didn't read the book and listen to the lecture where the arbitrary epochs were stated.

Education is not very good at the moment, nor has it ever been, not because students haven't memorized enough arbitrary facts, but because they haven't been taught how to think, they've been taught how to "solve" problems using the exact methods used in class, at best, and at worst they simply repeat facts as given by the teacher. I'm sorry, but that is not a good education.

It's the difference between asking, "What is the primary cause of the Civil War as agreed upon by leading historians" and asking, "What do you think the primary cause of the Civil War is? Please justify your answer." The first one can be found out using 10 seconds and the Internet. The second would require someone with not only facts, but reasoning skills as well. In my experience, schools are better now at teaching critical thinking, and people who are bitching that they don't beat the students to make them learn long division by heart are missing the point.
 
By the way, Bush's plan for education is moronic. Our students don't know enough, so we should test them more and punish schools with poor performers. Perhaps I'm just a product of today's education system, but how will that improve students' educations?
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
not because I'm dumb or poorly taught, but because I didn't read the book and listen to the lecture where the arbitrary epochs were stated.

Sure you were. Answer this one like the 8th graders had to:

6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.

No excel allowed, all pen and paper.. 7% is compounded anually.. do you even know were to start?

Are you saying this was memorization too? Or that HS grads should'nt be able to do this type of problem with ease?
 
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