Bush Takes Responsibility for Iraq Claim
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Bush Takes Responsibility for Iraq Claim !
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Bush Takes Responsibility for Iraq Claim
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030730/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_10
CaptnKirk
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From Washington Post
This is from his News Conference with the press, and the 'I take resposnibility' part.
He just blew past it, hoping that it will go away.
CLIP:
Question - Mr. President, you often speak about the need for accountability in many areas.
I wonder then why is Dr. Condoleezza Rice not being held accountable for the statement that your own White House has acknowledged was a mistake in your State of the Union address regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium? And also, do you take personal responsibility for that inaccuracy?
BUSH - I take personal responsibility for everything I say, of course. Absolutely. I also take responsibility for making decisions on war and peace. And I analyzed a thorough body of intelligence--good, solid, sound intelligence that led me to come to the conclusion that it was necessary to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
This is from his News Conference with the press, and the 'I take resposnibility' part.
He just blew past it, hoping that it will go away.
CLIP:
Question - Mr. President, you often speak about the need for accountability in many areas.
I wonder then why is Dr. Condoleezza Rice not being held accountable for the statement that your own White House has acknowledged was a mistake in your State of the Union address regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium? And also, do you take personal responsibility for that inaccuracy?
BUSH - I take personal responsibility for everything I say, of course. Absolutely. I also take responsibility for making decisions on war and peace. And I analyzed a thorough body of intelligence--good, solid, sound intelligence that led me to come to the conclusion that it was necessary to remove Saddam Hussein from power.
"--good, solid, sound intelligence that led me to come to the conclusion that it was necessary to remove Saddam Hussein from power. "
sure, sure it was
sure, sure it was
Read here:
Chemical Weapons Use in Iraq
A factual but sadly true part: " 1980: Iraq invades Iran, touching off 8 year war in which both sides use chemical weapons. United States backs Iraq against Iran's Islamic revolutionary government "
Also:
" Iran is not the only enemy that Saddam Hussein has attacked with chemical weapons. He used poison gas against Iraqi Kurds on the Iranian border in 1988. The United States originally accused Iran of this attack. To find out more about specific types of Iraqi chemical weapons visit "
So he HAD chemical weapons (past-tense). What about after 1988? You know, for the last 15 years? Antyhing about that? Staying on-topic, however, I'm glad to see Mr Bush finally taking responsiblity for his own words. Took long enough...
Considering that Saddam was complying with 1441, and though Hans Blix felt they could co-operate a little more, he was confidant that inspections would work.
But a certain government decided to derail the process, on the claim that they knew where the weapons were. But they are still not showing us anything, right?
Good to see Bush isnt trying to pass the buck anymore, though. Of course, trying to would be pretty lame and the public would know it too.
So, he still claims that Niger urnium report is good, solid, sound intelligence? Isn't already proven wrong?
HeroOfPellinor
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What did he DO WITH the WMD? That's what this was all freaking about. He could never or would never account for how he allegedly disposed of this stuff. You can't just throw it in the garbage.
Hayabusa Rider
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Nice, but wrong. It was taking time, but it was moving forward. There was no real need for this war. This was a thing Bush wanted, and a thing he got.
Would you like the links to the UN reports from the inspection teams? Stop your Bush bashing long enough to get the facts otherwise you will continue to look foolish, which is fine BTW, you made me laugh...
I wasn't responding to you. Sorry if you thought I was. If I respond to a particular post I quote it by the way.
Hayabusa Rider
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Oh, the Iraqis were about to destroy the world! Run, run the sky is falling! I seem to remember threads about all manner of WMDs found and how we would learn all about them. I read all them before the war. You made more than one. Where are they? You said they were there. Where is the anthrax, and hundred of nerve gas shells. Where are the nukes? You live in the biggest glass house of all. Start throwing stones. Be honest. You were caught off guard when nothing was found. Be honest and fess up. Don't be a hypocrite.
Ok thanks for apologizing. That was a cool gesture my man! But your report does confirm that Iranians didn't use chemical or bio weapons against Iraq.
Link one thread especially before the war that said WMD were found.
I was not surprised when nothing was found right away. You do realize about 2 months ago they found the largest weapons cache so far in Afghanistan? Just outside Kabul in an area we have had complete control over for 2 years+. Do you think Saddam left everything out in the open? Do you think he didn't try to move the stuff before the war? We have multiple Iraqi officers tellings us they were given orders in the 6 months leading up to it to do just that.
Where are they? Thats been the milion dollar question since 1991. Saddam agreed to tell the UN and destroy them, he did neither. Why was the UN wanting to continue inspections? Because they were confident there were still WMD unaccounted for, or do you think they wanted to continue looking for what they believed wasnt even there?
Hayabusa Rider
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They could have looked for another 12 years. There was no need for this war. Did it have the benefit of freeing the Iraqis from Saddam. Yep it did. That was not the reason for this war and you know it, or at least you should. It was about the weapons Bush KNEW about, not guess, surmised, expected. KNEW. We knew where and what they were. Well guess what. We knew no such thing. What really happened is that Bush & Co. EXPECTED to find them and PDQ too. If they had, no one would have asked to see the pre-war evidence. Why would they? Weapons were lying all about werent they? Oops. No, Bush got caught, and now the tactic is to divert attention for the pretext of the war from one of WMD's to liberation. Hell, they even waited till the last minute to do that. Remember Ari saying the war to disarm Iraq had begun? Well that was the last time that was used. After troops hit the ground, it was all Iraqi Freedom, because that is what would sell, just like it would not have before the war. The important thing to Bush is that the war happened, and he got Saddam. Everything else was secondary. Useful to the gullible or fanatic perhaps, but secondary. Johnson must be cheering his soul mate on right about now.
Bush mentioned liberating the people of Iraq in his address to the nation BEFORE the war.
I never heard anyone suggest these weapons were merely lying around. Do you realize over 10,000 Iraqis a month were dying due to sanctions? 12 more years of that? You act as if he was complying, basically it was 12 years of hide and seek. He could have complied easily in less that a year, why did it take so long?
I have a question for you, since you seem to think you are so on top of the UN inspections process. How many warheads with Mustard Gas did Saddam claim to have after the Gulf War of 1991? How many were found? How did what was found correspond to Saddam's claims?
Get ready, we are going to go through this step by step, then the Anthrax, then the others. Or take the wise road and scat.....
I never heard anyone suggest these weapons were merely lying around. Do you realize over 10,000 Iraqis a month were dying due to sanctions? 12 more years of that? You act as if he was complying, basically it was 12 years of hide and seek. He could have complied easily in less that a year, why did it take so long?
I have a question for you, since you seem to think you are so on top of the UN inspections process. How many warheads with Mustard Gas did Saddam claim to have after the Gulf War of 1991? How many were found? How did what was found correspond to Saddam's claims?
Get ready, we are going to go through this step by step, then the Anthrax, then the others. Or take the wise road and scat.....
Iraq and the UN
THE ASSESSMENT OF THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IRAQ?S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
CIA's Oct 2002 Assessment
UNRESOLVED DISARMAMENT ISSUES IRAQ?S PROSCRIBED WEAPONS PROGRAMMES
Thirteenth quarterly report of the Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission in accordance with paragraph 12 of Security Council resolution 1284 (1999)
30 May 2003United Nations Security Council
13. Again, with respect to anthrax, the Commission, as it reported, had strong
indications ? but not conclusive evidence ? that all the quantities produced had
not been destroyed, and that hence even today such quantities could remain.
14. By the time inspections were suspended, the Commission had performed a
number of inspections to try to verify, as described in the present report, intelligence
information that Iraq had mobile units for the production of biological weapons. The
Iraqi side denied that any such units existed and provided the Commission with
pictures of legitimate vehicles, which they suggested could have been mistaken for
mobile units. However, none of the vehicles in those pictures resembles the trucks
recently described and depicted by the Coalition.
118. During an inspection on 7 January 2003 of the Al Mamoun site, UNMOVIC
inspectors observed two large propellant casting chambers. Iraq declared that those
casting chambers had originally been acquired for the Badr 2000 project. That was a
proscribed project, and although UNSCOM had supervised the destruction of the
two casting chambers in 1991 Iraq had managed to refurbish them for use in their
current solid propellant missile projects.
119. The destruction of the chemical weapons agent mustard gas, which had started
at the end of February, was completed in March 2003. Under UNMOVIC
supervision, Iraq destroyed the 155 mm shells and the mustard gas contained in
them. The shells found in 1997 were stored at a declared location ? the former
Muthanna State Establishment. In total, there were 14 shells, containing
approximately 49 litres of the agent ? four of them had been earlier emptied and
sampled by UNSCOM. The agent was destroyed by chemical reaction and the empty
shells with explosives. Samples taken from the shells showed that mustard gas
produced over 15 years ago was still of high quality ? 97 per cent purity.
E. 122 mm chemical warheads
122. An UNMOVIC inspection team found 12 undeclared 122 mm chemical
warheads and motors at the Al Ukhaidar ammunition depot (11 of them were
unfilled and 1 filled with water). Iraq notified the Commission on 20 January 2003
that four more warheads had been found at the Al Taji ammunition depot. In
February 2003, an UNMOVIC team discovered an additional two undeclared 122
mm chemical warheads at the same depot (one of the six warheads discovered at the
Al Taji depot was filled with liquid that was subsequently identified as water). In
total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction.
4. UNSCOM identified other specific instances of Iraq?s activities after 1991 that
were in violation of the relevant Security Council resolutions. For example, a
shipment of proscribed missile gyroscopes destined for Iraq was intercepted en route
to Iraq in 1995 (see S/1996/848).
2. Destruction of additional items identified by UNSCOM after 1994
8. In 1996, UNSCOM found new evidence of chemical production and analytical
equipment and precursor chemicals acquired for chemical weapons purposes still
remaining in Iraq. Many of those items had been exempted from destruction by the Commission in 1995 on the basis of false Iraqi declarations as to their past use or intended purpose. In 1997, UNSCOM designated for destruction and supervised the
disposal of the following newly identified items and materials (see S/1996/848):
? 325 pieces of production equipment (of those, possession of 120 pieces was
only disclosed by Iraq in August 1997);
? 125 pieces of analytical instruments;
? 275 tons of precursor chemicals.
some "light" reading material
THE ASSESSMENT OF THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IRAQ?S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
CIA's Oct 2002 Assessment
UNRESOLVED DISARMAMENT ISSUES IRAQ?S PROSCRIBED WEAPONS PROGRAMMES
Thirteenth quarterly report of the Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission in accordance with paragraph 12 of Security Council resolution 1284 (1999)
30 May 2003United Nations Security Council
13. Again, with respect to anthrax, the Commission, as it reported, had strong
indications ? but not conclusive evidence ? that all the quantities produced had
not been destroyed, and that hence even today such quantities could remain.
14. By the time inspections were suspended, the Commission had performed a
number of inspections to try to verify, as described in the present report, intelligence
information that Iraq had mobile units for the production of biological weapons. The
Iraqi side denied that any such units existed and provided the Commission with
pictures of legitimate vehicles, which they suggested could have been mistaken for
mobile units. However, none of the vehicles in those pictures resembles the trucks
recently described and depicted by the Coalition.
118. During an inspection on 7 January 2003 of the Al Mamoun site, UNMOVIC
inspectors observed two large propellant casting chambers. Iraq declared that those
casting chambers had originally been acquired for the Badr 2000 project. That was a
proscribed project, and although UNSCOM had supervised the destruction of the
two casting chambers in 1991 Iraq had managed to refurbish them for use in their
current solid propellant missile projects.
119. The destruction of the chemical weapons agent mustard gas, which had started
at the end of February, was completed in March 2003. Under UNMOVIC
supervision, Iraq destroyed the 155 mm shells and the mustard gas contained in
them. The shells found in 1997 were stored at a declared location ? the former
Muthanna State Establishment. In total, there were 14 shells, containing
approximately 49 litres of the agent ? four of them had been earlier emptied and
sampled by UNSCOM. The agent was destroyed by chemical reaction and the empty
shells with explosives. Samples taken from the shells showed that mustard gas
produced over 15 years ago was still of high quality ? 97 per cent purity.
E. 122 mm chemical warheads
122. An UNMOVIC inspection team found 12 undeclared 122 mm chemical
warheads and motors at the Al Ukhaidar ammunition depot (11 of them were
unfilled and 1 filled with water). Iraq notified the Commission on 20 January 2003
that four more warheads had been found at the Al Taji ammunition depot. In
February 2003, an UNMOVIC team discovered an additional two undeclared 122
mm chemical warheads at the same depot (one of the six warheads discovered at the
Al Taji depot was filled with liquid that was subsequently identified as water). In
total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction.
4. UNSCOM identified other specific instances of Iraq?s activities after 1991 that
were in violation of the relevant Security Council resolutions. For example, a
shipment of proscribed missile gyroscopes destined for Iraq was intercepted en route
to Iraq in 1995 (see S/1996/848).
2. Destruction of additional items identified by UNSCOM after 1994
8. In 1996, UNSCOM found new evidence of chemical production and analytical
equipment and precursor chemicals acquired for chemical weapons purposes still
remaining in Iraq. Many of those items had been exempted from destruction by the Commission in 1995 on the basis of false Iraqi declarations as to their past use or intended purpose. In 1997, UNSCOM designated for destruction and supervised the
disposal of the following newly identified items and materials (see S/1996/848):
? 325 pieces of production equipment (of those, possession of 120 pieces was
only disclosed by Iraq in August 1997);
? 125 pieces of analytical instruments;
? 275 tons of precursor chemicals.
some "light" reading material
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