Bush Says World Owes Israel's Sharon a 'Thank You'

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

This really makes me sick. And people here wonder why practically the whole world hates the US. It's not Americans, its the kiss ass, professional screw up freak shows that run our country! This sure is one way to win the hearts and minds of Arabs, but I guess who cares about that, we can always invade and destroy them if needed.

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[UltraQuiet]

Posted (and bolded) for those of you who posted pithy comments about Bush/Sharon and/or a cock. Evidently Sharon is hung like a horse (see Lilblingblingdingding for details) because Bush and Kerry are evidently sucking it 24/7.

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MR. RUSSERT: Israel assassinated Hamas leader Rantisi. Do you support that assassination?

SEN. KERRY: I believe Israel has every right in the world to respond to any act of terror against it. Hamas is a terrorist, brutal organization. It has had years to make up its mind to take part in a peaceful process. They refuse to. Arafat refuses to. And I support Israel's efforts to try to separate itself and to try to be secure. The moment Hamas says, "We've given up violence, we're prepared to negotiate," I am absolutely confident they will find an Israel that is thirsty to have that negotiation.

MR. RUSSERT: On Thursday, President Bush broke with the tradition and policy of six predecessors when he said that Israel can keep part of the land seized in the 1967 Middle East War and asserted the Palestinian refugees cannot go back to their particular homes. Do you support President Bush?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: Completely?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: You also said in December that you would consider as presidential ambassadors to the Middle East President Clinton, but also former President Carter and Secretary of State Baker. You then met with Jewish leaders and said, "I will not send Carter or Baker." Why?

SEN. KERRY: I think that what I was trying to talk about, Tim, was a kind of potential for
bipartisanship as to how you might be able to approach putting a special envoy in place. The names obviously need to be acceptable to everybody within the community. You've got to do that as a matter of diplomacy. Subsequent to those names being floated, obviously, some people have different views about it.

MR. RUSSERT: Why do you think Carter and Baker are not acceptable?

SEN. KERRY: Well, that's not important. What's important is how to resolve the crisis, how do you move forward. I believe there's a way to move forward, I'm convinced of that. Now, I think what the president did in the last few days is to recognize a reality that even President Clinton came to. If you're going to have a Jewish state, and that is what we are committed to do and that is what Israel is, you cannot have a right of return that's open-ended or something. You just can't do it. It's always been a non-starter. I personally said that at a speech I gave to the Arab community in New York at the World Economic Forum. I've said that. I've also said that it is realistic because we know that at Taba they negotiated the annexation of certain territory. So it's really stating a reality.

What this administration has not done that it needs to do, what we need is a diplomacy that is ongoing and engaged with the Arab community in order to help to create and help emerge the kind of entity that will provide a peaceful resolution to this. Israel has no partner, no one to be able to negotiate with today. I think the United States and this administration could have done a much more effective job of helping
that to emerge, but they were completely disengaged. I will not be disengaged. And I will have
somebody involved in that at the highest level that has the respect of the community, the trust of Israel, and we will be able to move forward.

 

[TheBDB]

I was kind of surprised that there was not even a shred of gratitude from the Palestinians. I don't think they should be completely satisfied now, but yesterday they fired rockets at the settlements that Israel said they were going to remove. Jeez, doesn't that seem a little stupid. I mean, isn't that just a provocation for Israel to come back in? Ahh, it doesn't matter....both sides hate each other so much it will never end until one is destroyed.

 

[Zebo]

And this is a surpise how? Kerry is JewishText moreover you have probably noticed that American Jews often tend to be liberal on most political and social issues, but not on Israel, you just can?t talk to them about Israel. At least with Bush it's fear of being labeled anti-semitic keeping him in line.

 

[replicator]

This US government seems to think that supporting everything that Sharon does is pro-Israel.

That is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. The Israeli's are more cynical of Sharon than the US!
It isn't only about winning the hearts of Arabs. People all over the world clearly see how one-sided the US policy is, and how hypocritical it is.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
And this is a surpise how? Kerry is JewishText moreover you have probably noticed that American Jews often tend to be liberal on most political and social issues, but not on Israel, you just can?t talk to them about Israel. At least with Bush it's fear of being labeled anti-semitic keeping him in line.

So, if Bush and Kerry are related does that mean that Bush is Jewish too?
http://www.ancestry.netscape.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Zebo
And this is a surpise how? Kerry is JewishText moreover you have probably noticed that American Jews often tend to be liberal on most political and social issues, but not on Israel, you just can?t talk to them about Israel. At least with Bush it's fear of being labeled anti-semitic keeping him in line.

So, if Bush and Kerry are related does that mean that Bush is Jewish too?
http://www.ancestry.netscape.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm

We are all related if you go back far enough that's what makes all this fighting/injustice so nuts IMO.

 

[Klixxer]

Sharon is a terrorist scumbag, and praised by Bush...

Praise the lord, kill the infidels!

 

[BugsBunny1078]

That Hamas leader declared war on the United States. Our buddy Israel takin care of our light work. =)
Someone give that man (Sharon) a cigar!

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Posted (and bolded) for those of you who posted pithy comments about Bush/Sharon and/or a cock. Evidently Sharon is hung like a horse (see Lilblingblingdingding for details) because Bush and Kerry are evidently sucking it 24/7.

quote:

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MR. RUSSERT: Israel assassinated Hamas leader Rantisi. Do you support that assassination?

SEN. KERRY: I believe Israel has every right in the world to respond to any act of terror against it. Hamas is a terrorist, brutal organization. It has had years to make up its mind to take part in a peaceful process. They refuse to. Arafat refuses to. And I support Israel's efforts to try to separate itself and to try to be secure. The moment Hamas says, "We've given up violence, we're prepared to negotiate," I am absolutely confident they will find an Israel that is thirsty to have that negotiation.

MR. RUSSERT: On Thursday, President Bush broke with the tradition and policy of six predecessors when he said that Israel can keep part of the land seized in the 1967 Middle East War and asserted the Palestinian refugees cannot go back to their particular homes. Do you support President Bush?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: Completely?

SEN. KERRY: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: You also said in December that you would consider as presidential ambassadors to the Middle East President Clinton, but also former President Carter and Secretary of State Baker. You then met with Jewish leaders and said, "I will not send Carter or Baker." Why?

SEN. KERRY: I think that what I was trying to talk about, Tim, was a kind of potential for
bipartisanship as to how you might be able to approach putting a special envoy in place. The names obviously need to be acceptable to everybody within the community. You've got to do that as a matter of diplomacy. Subsequent to those names being floated, obviously, some people have different views about it.

MR. RUSSERT: Why do you think Carter and Baker are not acceptable?

SEN. KERRY: Well, that's not important. What's important is how to resolve the crisis, how do you move forward. I believe there's a way to move forward, I'm convinced of that. Now, I think what the president did in the last few days is to recognize a reality that even President Clinton came to. If you're going to have a Jewish state, and that is what we are committed to do and that is what Israel is, you cannot have a right of return that's open-ended or something. You just can't do it. It's always been a non-starter. I personally said that at a speech I gave to the Arab community in New York at the World Economic Forum. I've said that. I've also said that it is realistic because we know that at Taba they negotiated the annexation of certain territory. So it's really stating a reality.

What this administration has not done that it needs to do, what we need is a diplomacy that is ongoing and engaged with the Arab community in order to help to create and help emerge the kind of entity that will provide a peaceful resolution to this. Israel has no partner, no one to be able to negotiate with today. I think the United States and this administration could have done a much more effective job of helping
that to emerge, but they were completely disengaged. I will not be disengaged. And I will have
somebody involved in that at the highest level that has the respect of the community, the trust of Israel, and we will be able to move forward.

I never said I agree with Kerry's ME policy either, in all honesty he is just the lesser of two evils IMO. The fact remains, America's ass kissing of Israel only harms America and ONLY benefits Israel.

P.S. Love the Bill O'Reillyesque "pithy comment" thing.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Israel is helping to rid their little corner of the world of terrorists so it does us all some good.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Israel is helping to rid their little corner of the world of terrorists so it does us all some good.

this thing started because of Israel not the other way around

 

[BugsBunny1078]

You sound like an al-qaeda propaganda machine.
We have been having troubl with muslims for hundreds of years. THis is because their religion make us their enemy.
Their problem with Israel is not anything Israel did. It is Israel's existence. That also is their problem with us. Islam must be destroyed.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You sound like an al-qaeda propaganda machine.

We have been having troubl with muslims for hundreds of years. THis is because their religion make us their enemy.

Their problem with Israel is not anything Israel did. It is Israel's existence. That also is their problem with us. Islam must be destroyed.

So please tell us, Snidely Whiplash, how do you propose "we" destroy Islam?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You sound like an al-qaeda propaganda machine.

We have been having troubl with muslims for hundreds of years. THis is because their religion make us their enemy.

Their problem with Israel is not anything Israel did. It is Israel's existence. That also is their problem with us. Islam must be destroyed.

My god you're daft, what problems have we, Americans, been having with Muslims before the creation of Israel? What problems have Europeans been having with Muslims from after the crusades? If you're going to make baseless comments, at least back them up. If there were problems it was because Europeans colonized Muslim countries, pretty much what Israel is doing now in the occupied territories, and I don't know about you, but if someone occupyed my country, I would gladly give my life to free it. Go read a book and come back when you know what youre talking about.

And destoying Islam? What do you propose, etnically cleansing the world of 1/6th of its population? You know what, you are not even worth talking to.

 

[replicator]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You sound like an al-qaeda propaganda machine.

We have been having troubl with muslims for hundreds of years. THis is because their religion make us their enemy.

Their problem with Israel is not anything Israel did. It is Israel's existence. That also is their problem with us. Islam must be destroyed.

People like YOU are the problem. You think we should 'destroy' a religion because you disagree with it?

You are no better than a nazi.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
This really makes me sick. And people here wonder why practically the whole world hates the US. It's not Americans, its the kiss ass, professional screw up freak shows that run our country! This sure is one way to win the hearts and minds of Arabs, but I guess who cares about that, we can always invade and destroy them if needed.



Link

Israel made a first and unilateral move towards something the Palestinians have said they wanted( Israel's pullout of Gaza)

Now you condemn Israel for that move.

You sound like the palestinians, until they have all of the land of the middle east and the sea runs red with Jewish blood they won't be happy.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Israel is helping to rid their little corner of the world of terrorists so it does us all some good.

this thing started because of Israel not the other way around

The colonials started that "thing" with England in 1776 too.

Bottom line: Israel won a war. To the victor go the spoils...they're entitled to the entire West Bank if they so choose. If Palestine or any nation has a problem with that...let them step up and take the land back...oh wait...they tried and failed...hmmm.....well...I guess all they have left to do is blow up buses and moan to the bleeding-hearts and anti-semites.

 

[replicator]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
This really makes me sick. And people here wonder why practically the whole world hates the US. It's not Americans, its the kiss ass, professional screw up freak shows that run our country! This sure is one way to win the hearts and minds of Arabs, but I guess who cares about that, we can always invade and destroy them if needed.

Link

Israel made a first and unilateral move towards something the Palestinians have said they wanted( Israel's pullout of Gaza)

Now you condemn Israel for that move.

You sound like the palestinians, until they have all of the land of the middle east and the sea runs red with Jewish blood they won't be happy.

Palestinians wanted them to pull out of both Gaza and the West Bank.

Gaza has about 7000 settlers, West Bank has 200,000.

Sharon is making it appear as though he is giving something back, but he isn't. The settlements in Gaza are miniscule compared to the ones in the West Bank. The Israeli government has said they are going to be investing millions of dollars now to further develop the settlements in the West Bank.

It is a cunning move.

"Netanyahu reaffirmed Israel's commitment to the settlements that will fall on the "Palestinian" side of the barrier.

"There, we are going to invest. I myself am going to approve hundreds of millions of shekels to invest in the settlements beyond the main fence," he said.

Netanyahu's plan might violate the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan, which requires Israel to halt settlement construction. "

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[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
That Hamas leader declared war on the United States. Our buddy Israel takin care of our light work. =)

Someone give that man (Sharon) a cigar!

Now argue the other side, you said that you never experess your opinion and you can argue both sides, so let's hear the other side.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: replicator

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

You sound like an al-qaeda propaganda machine.



We have been having troubl with muslims for hundreds of years. THis is because their religion make us their enemy.



Their problem with Israel is not anything Israel did. It is Israel's existence. That also is their problem with us. Islam must be destroyed.

People like YOU are the problem. You think we should 'destroy' a religion because you disagree with it?



You are no better than a nazi.

But ButtfvckedBunny is just expressin *AN* opinion, not *HIS*opinion, he can argue the other side just as easily, he said so himself in another thread, he never does though.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Please stop the personal attacks on me Klixxer.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: replicator
Netanyahu's plan might violate the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan, which requires Israel to halt settlement construction. "

Could we please stop with the talk of the road map? There is no roadmap, it has been blown to hell.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
MR. RUSSERT: Why do you think Carter and Baker are not acceptable?

SEN. KERRY: Well, that's not important. What's important is how to resolve the crisis, how do you move forward. I believe there's a way to move forward, I'm convinced of that. Now, I think what the president did in the last few days is to recognize a reality that even President Clinton came to. If you're going to have a Jewish state, and that is what we are committed to do and that is what Israel is, you cannot have a right of return that's open-ended or something. You just can't do it. It's always been a non-starter. I personally said that at a speech I gave to the Arab community in New York at the World Economic Forum. I've said that. I've also said that it is realistic because we know that at Taba they negotiated the annexation of certain territory. So it's really stating a reality.

What this administration has not done that it needs to do, what we need is a diplomacy that is ongoing and engaged with the Arab community in order to help to create and help emerge the kind of entity that will provide a peaceful resolution to this. Israel has no partner, no one to be able to negotiate with today. I think the United States and this administration could have done a much more effective job of helping
that to emerge, but they were completely disengaged. I will not be disengaged. And I will have
somebody involved in that at the highest level that has the respect of the community, the trust of Israel, and we will be able to move forward.

WHY is that not important?!

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
This really makes me sick. And people here wonder why practically the whole world hates the US. It's not Americans, its the kiss ass, professional screw up freak shows that run our country! This sure is one way to win the hearts and minds of Arabs, but I guess who cares about that, we can always invade and destroy them if needed.



Link

Israel made a first and unilateral move towards something the Palestinians have said they wanted( Israel's pullout of Gaza)

Now you condemn Israel for that move.

You sound like the palestinians, until they have all of the land of the middle east and the sea runs red with Jewish blood they won't be happy.

Don't tell me you don't understand why Palestinians and the entire Arab world are mad about this unilateral move. The key word is unilateral. What kind of negotiation or peace process is it when one party ignores the other totally and goes ahead decide by themselves what is theirs and what is not? The only people who does this sort of thing are gangsters who just take what they want.

It's true the pullout of Gaza is a positive first move. But that is totally offset by the Bush's historical reorganization of Israel's claim on portions of West Bank. What right does Bush have giving that kind of reorganization? Does he own West Bank?