CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
Stupid post of the day, was the us for lifting the sanctions when it would not benifit the US? hmmm... nooooo...
You have to be extremely stupid not to get the message, but i will spell it out for you anyways, before, lifting the sanctions would not be beneficial to the US, now it is, before the US were against it, now they are for it... roll up your blinders and check it out, it is as obvious as it gets...
I don't care though, i want the people of Irak to get their fair share of the wealth (though i doubt they will get it under the US regime) so lets lift the sanctions for the peoples sake, if the (enforced) goverment takes some of it, shoot them, they are traitors, no jury, no trial, just a gun to the head.... The money from the oil and other natural resources should go to the irakis, if the us takes ONE dollar out of that money, they have certainly proven themselves as opportunistic a-holes.. noone should allow that...
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
Your post makes no sense, you jump forth and back between decades...
But your ignorance is shining through though, you think that the sanctions really affected the Iraki government? That it didn't affect the people?
You have shown yourself to be a lot dumber than i thought you were... a LOT...
RIght now the US is buying gas to run the iraqi power plants because not enough oil is moving thru the refinaries to generate the quantities of natural they need to run power plants. Yes, the US is just raping profits off the Iraqi people. The US goverment has stated many times the oil belongs to the people of Iraq.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
How were the last 12 years of sanctions NOT directed at the inhabitants of Iraq? If you remove the largest source of revenue from an economy, and cut off almost all trade, do yo expect that the inhabitants won't be impacted. The only people these sanctions were directed at were the Iraqi people. Saddam and his clan never denied themselves anything because of the sanctions.
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
How were the last 12 years of sanctions NOT directed at the inhabitants of Iraq? If you remove the largest source of revenue from an economy, and cut off almost all trade, do yo expect that the inhabitants won't be impacted. The only people these sanctions were directed at were the Iraqi people. Saddam and his clan never denied themselves anything because of the sanctions.
Ok so you think sanctions were wrong, how would you have handled Iraq post gulf war?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
Your post makes no sense, you jump forth and back between decades...
But your ignorance is shining through though, you think that the sanctions really affected the Iraki government? That it didn't affect the people?
You have shown yourself to be a lot dumber than i thought you were... a LOT...
No - YOU said "from day one...blah blah blah". Sanctions came because Iraq invaded Kuwait among other things
And since you were/are against sanctions - how would you have handled the whole Iraq situation? I'll eagerly await your ever-so enlightened response
And YES - sanctions were put in place to affect governments - did Saddam defy those sanctions by keeping the wealth himself instead of it reaching the people of iraq? Yes
Did sanctions affect the people of Iraq? yep, because Saddam played the system whilst the UN stood idly by.
I fail to see how if you couldn't make sense of my post you could label me as "ignorant" and "dumber than I thought". Just because you couldn't decipher the message - the sender is ignorant and dumb? - maybe the sender has "poor" written communication skills but that doesn't neccessarily make him ignorant and/or dumb
Just more elitism :roll:
CkG
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
How were the last 12 years of sanctions NOT directed at the inhabitants of Iraq? If you remove the largest source of revenue from an economy, and cut off almost all trade, do yo expect that the inhabitants won't be impacted. The only people these sanctions were directed at were the Iraqi people. Saddam and his clan never denied themselves anything because of the sanctions.
Ok so you think sanctions were wrong, how would you have handled Iraq post gulf war?
You say it like the sanctions accomplished anything.
Lift the economic sanctions. Keep sanctions on military equipment purchases. There was no reason for Iraq to attack anyone, having been thoroughly whipped and weakened for invading Kuwait.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
Your post makes no sense, you jump forth and back between decades...
But your ignorance is shining through though, you think that the sanctions really affected the Iraki government? That it didn't affect the people?
You have shown yourself to be a lot dumber than i thought you were... a LOT...
No - YOU said "from day one...blah blah blah". Sanctions came because Iraq invaded Kuwait among other things
And YES - sanctions were put in place to affect governments - did Saddam defy those sanctions by keeping the wealth himself instead of it reaching the people of iraq? Yes
Did sanctions affect the people of Iraq? yep, because Saddam played the system whilst the UN stood idly by.
I fail to see how if you couldn't make sense of my post you could label me as "ignorant" and "dumber than I thought". Just because you couldn't decipher the message - the sender is ignorant and dumb? - maybe the sender has "poor" written communication skills but that doesn't neccessarily make him ignorant and/or dumb
Just more elitism :roll:
CkG
Oh fvcking please, Saddam defied the sanctions??????????? stupid comment of the day, how the fvck do you defy sanctions?
You just said what i said while trying to say it in some other way, you know what... you failed...
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
I was against the sanctions from day one as the did not serve a purpose even then... And we all loved how you idiots insisted that it was a good solution, yeah, it did a world of good (not you specifically of course, but your idiotic goverment, and no i do not care about if it was liberal, democrat or republican, it is still a fact)...
A moron could have understood that, now a moron finally has... you call him President, we call him moron... or dubya (while we think moron)....
And what would you have done after Iraq invaded Kuwait? Send the Swedish Army in? or maybe some swedish diplomats?
Snap - you don't do anything but strengthen the perception of Europeans as elitists.
Sanctions are directed at the governments of countries - NOT the inhabitants. Saddam and his gov't are gone and so should the sanctions.
CkG
How were the last 12 years of sanctions NOT directed at the inhabitants of Iraq? If you remove the largest source of revenue from an economy, and cut off almost all trade, do yo expect that the inhabitants won't be impacted. The only people these sanctions were directed at were the Iraqi people. Saddam and his clan never denied themselves anything because of the sanctions.
Ok so you think sanctions were wrong, how would you have handled Iraq post gulf war?
Like the world handled post war korea or vietnam... No need to write a new set of rules for one country...
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Umm - maybe you defy sanctions by...Hmmm lets see - HAVING A FVCKING OIL PIPELINE INTO SYRIA? or maybe PURCHASING/BUILDING WEAPONS THAT ARE/WERE FORBIDDEN? or maybe we should ASK FRANCE, GERMANY, and RUSSIA
Not to mention intercepting aid that was intended for the people of Iraq and using it for himself.No, You said what I said you said you thought you said
CkG
The thing about this that I find entertaining is the same countries that argued in the UN that "Hey, we trust Saddam, Iraq has disarmed" are now saying they want proof of the completion of the disarming process
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Umm - maybe you defy sanctions by...Hmmm lets see - HAVING A FVCKING OIL PIPELINE INTO SYRIA? or maybe PURCHASING/BUILDING WEAPONS THAT ARE/WERE FORBIDDEN? or maybe we should ASK FRANCE, GERMANY, and RUSSIA
No, You said what I said you said you thought you said
CkG
Oh no, not defying sanctions. These sanctions were an atrocity, and the only problem is that everyone didn't defy them outright, out of some respect for the UN, but the US has taught everyone how foolish they were.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Umm - maybe you defy sanctions by...Hmmm lets see - HAVING A FVCKING OIL PIPELINE INTO SYRIA? or maybe PURCHASING/BUILDING WEAPONS THAT ARE/WERE FORBIDDEN? or maybe we should ASK FRANCE, GERMANY, and RUSSIA
No, You said what I said you said you thought you said
CkG
Ehhh... you are a moron, aren't you... when have i said anything about an oil pipeline into syria? the rest of your post makes you look as stupid as you probably are... now fvck off you trolling idiot... STOP TROLLING!
But you don't find entertaining how the US wanted proof of disarming for 12 years, and now wants sanctions lifted without proof?
That is after they said Iraq had WMD as a pretext for war, but haven't found it, or ensured that it was destroyed.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Umm - maybe you defy sanctions by...Hmmm lets see - HAVING A FVCKING OIL PIPELINE INTO SYRIA? or maybe PURCHASING/BUILDING WEAPONS THAT ARE/WERE FORBIDDEN? or maybe we should ASK FRANCE, GERMANY, and RUSSIA
No, You said what I said you said you thought you said
CkG
Ehhh... you are a moron, aren't you... when have i said anything about an oil pipeline into syria? the rest of your post makes you look as stupid as you probably are... now fvck off you trolling idiot... STOP TROLLING!
You didn't say anything about a pipeline - I DID! It was in response to your question as to how Saddam could defy sanctions.
OK - I'm stupid and also a "troll" because SnapIT said so
If so, then label me a trollCkG
PS - does anyone besides me find it ironic that SnapIT said "STOP TROLLING!"?
There's no waiting required. The militant forces in Iraq have issues with the US NOT the UN or NGOs. Those agencies could step in immediately and provide food, medicine which Iraq has already paid for through the UN program. Not to mention groups like Medicins sans Frontiers (Doctors without Borders for the Francophobes) which was awarded a Nobel Prize for its work in war/postwar zones. Furthermore, it is far more likely that Iraqis would be more comfortable returning to civilian service as police, physcians, and engineers if they were working with/for people that don't carry weapons or invade countries to settle disputes with leadership.
But while we wait for the US government to do the what is best for Iraq . . . . (crickets and the crackle of ice formation in Hell) . . . prohibitions against any material necessary to rebuild water treatment facilities and hospitals should be ended. Of course, few of the international organizations with expertise in such matters have been allowed to work freely in Iraq to fully assess needs . . . I wonder why.
And of course, there were at least two working pipelines going to Syria. Why not just turn those back on and use the proceeds to fund reconstruction efforts. Unless of course, Iraqis have something against selling oil to Syria.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Umm - maybe you defy sanctions by...Hmmm lets see - HAVING A FVCKING OIL PIPELINE INTO SYRIA? or maybe PURCHASING/BUILDING WEAPONS THAT ARE/WERE FORBIDDEN? or maybe we should ASK FRANCE, GERMANY, and RUSSIA
No, You said what I said you said you thought you said
CkG
Ehhh... you are a moron, aren't you... when have i said anything about an oil pipeline into syria? the rest of your post makes you look as stupid as you probably are... now fvck off you trolling idiot... STOP TROLLING!
You didn't say anything about a pipeline - I DID! It was in response to your question as to how Saddam could defy sanctions.
OK - I'm stupid and also a "troll" because SnapIT said so...or does trolling mean "directly answering a question"?
CkG
PS - does anyone besides me find it ironic that SnapIT said "STOP TROLLING!"?
Who were the one to stray from the topic at hand?
No, i doubt that anyone finds that ironic as i have not yet, not in one single thread strayed from the topic at hand... you probably need to educate yourself regarding trolling, which is kind of sad... A troll in need of education of his own actions...
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Are you saying that I wasn't "on topic"? I do believe this thread is about Sanctions on Iraq which I most certainly have posted about.
You not straying from the thread topics? Should I go find some fine examples of your "off-topic" posts in this forum or heck - reread this thread. I mentioned sanctions in every post(in this this thread) can you say the same? Me a troll? - hardly. I'm thinking that you sir are the one who needs to "educate yourself in regards to trolling".
trolling examples:
"stupid comment of the day", "Ehhh... you are a moron, aren't you", "You have shown yourself to be a lot dumber than i thought you were... a LOT...", "You have to be extremely stupid not to get the message", "now fvck off you trolling idiot..."
Need I go find more?
I'm now done "chatting" with you, I'll leave you to your endless Bush/USA bashing. But I have just one more comment before I ignore your posts, You do realize that we agree on the lifting of Iraq's sanctions, right? No need to answer - as you stated above that you were all for lifting them.
kuddos to you on that point CkG
Fine CkG, but realize that i haven't ever bashed the USA, only opinions... I have lived in the US, it's almost as great as Sweden, i love the US...
And you're right, i went overboard and made general insults, that was a dumb thing to do, i got my point through though, and we agree on the point both you and i made, that the sanctions should be lifted ASAP... in fact, the sanctions should never have been there as they have affected the population, not the goverment...
And you're right, i went overboard and made general insults, that was a dumb thing to do, i got my point through though, and we agree on the point both you and i made, that the sanctions should be lifted ASAP... in fact, the sanctions should never have been there as they have affected the population, not the goverment...
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Are you saying that I wasn't "on topic"? I do believe this thread is about Sanctions on Iraq which I most certainly have posted about.
You not straying from the thread topics? Should I go find some fine examples of your "off-topic" posts in this forum or heck - reread this thread. I mentioned sanctions in every post(in this this thread) can you say the same? Me a troll? - hardly. I'm thinking that you sir are the one who needs to "educate yourself in regards to trolling".
trolling examples:
"stupid comment of the day", "Ehhh... you are a moron, aren't you", "You have shown yourself to be a lot dumber than i thought you were... a LOT...", "You have to be extremely stupid not to get the message", "now fvck off you trolling idiot..."
Need I go find more?
I'm now done "chatting" with you, I'll leave you to your endless Bush/USA bashing. But I have just one more comment before I ignore your posts, You do realize that we agree on the lifting of Iraq's sanctions, right? No need to answer - as you stated above that you were all for lifting them.
CkG
You missed one.
Here's the complete version courtesy of SnapIT:"the rest of your post makes you look as stupid as you probably are... now fvck off you trolling idiot... STOP TROLLING!"
Now seriously, I thought these kind of personal attacks were against forum rules as per the following from the Mod:
"3. Please respect your fellow members. PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED."
The whole point of the sanctions regime against Saddam's Iraq was to attempt to control that government's attempts at WMD proliferation and to encourage it's cooperation with respect to disarmement of said WMD as spelled out in United Nations SCRs: 687, 707, 715, 1051, 1060, 1115, 1134, 1137, 1154, 1194, 1205, 1284, and 1441. The spirit of the sanctions was directed at Saddam Hussein and his WMD programs, and not just for the fact that Iraq had WMD. This is implicit in all UNSCRs. Many nations have WMD, but fortunately for the rest of the world only one of them had a man like Saddam Hussein at the helm. Your own argument uses the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law.
Note: Please direct KJI comments to other threads in which it would be on-topic. Thanks
Originally posted by: Loralon
The whole point of the sanctions regime against Saddam's Iraq was to attempt to control that government's attempts at WMD proliferation and to encourage it's cooperation with respect to disarmement of said WMD as spelled out in United Nations SCRs: 687, 707, 715, 1051, 1060, 1115, 1134, 1137, 1154, 1194, 1205, 1284, and 1441. The spirit of the sanctions was directed at Saddam Hussein and his WMD programs, and not just for the fact that Iraq had WMD. This is implicit in all UNSCRs. Many nations have WMD, but fortunately for the rest of the world only one of them had a man like Saddam Hussein at the helm. Your own argument uses the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law.
Note: Please direct KJI comments to other threads in which it would be on-topic. Thanks
Well, at least two of them were like Saddam Hussein, but:
Please direct KJI not being one of them comments to other threads in which it would be on-topic. Thanks
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