totalcommand
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Originally posted by: lanche
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: mrphones
Politics...Got a love it...Even on Anandtech you guys will find a way to spin everything.... I hope they continue to eavesdrop on anyone they find suspicious. You really think they are spying on us average citizens? No, they are spying on people who have "any" correspondence of any form with anyone outside the US or within it that may see as a threat to our security. Get used to; it's what will keep you and your family from ever seeing another terrorist act committed on US soil.
Many posters here suffer from more than a little superstitious paranoia. They see spys behind every tree. I could care less who listens to my communications. If I have anything to hide, I hide it, I don't blubber it over a telephone or on a keyboard. I can't imagine many of the posters here actually have abything to hide either. They are just looking for something else to "get Bush" with.
that's the best you can come up with? how pathetic. the terrorists are smarter than you are, they probably don't make phone calls from their home phones, so what good did spying on american citizens accomplish? I just see this whole sham as the beginning of bigger troubles. You know the saying, give an inch and they'll take a mile. Bush's actions may be criminal, he's not above the law
Bush authorized the NSA to listen to info originating OUTSIDE the US only and on only suspected persons with terrorist ties. And thank god he has continued to practice this tried and true method of preventing further terrorist attacks. Bush did nothing illegal and it did not start with this administration.
Here are a couple of Executive Orders from Clinton & Carter..
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
Wow...there's a whole other thread on this started by Zendari. He already made a fool out of himself, and now looks like it's your turn.
The key words are Pursuant to Section... and only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section
Below is Jimmy Carter's EO, which Clinton based his off of, even using the same words. And it's all debunked.
Basically, these executive orders are all stating that we MUST follow FISA.
By the authority vested in me as President by Sections 102 and 104 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802 and 1804), in order to provide as set forth in that Act for the authorization of electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, it is hereby ordered as follows:
1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.
Lets, see, Section 102(a)(1), yes here it is:
"(a)
(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that?
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at?
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which [a United States person is a party; and
(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801 (h) of this title; and if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately."
1-102. Pursuant to Section 102(b) of the Foreign Intelligence Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(b)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under Section 103 of that Act to obtain orders for electronic surveillance for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information.
"Applications for a court order under this subchapter are authorized if the President has, by written authorization, empowered the Attorney General to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title, and a judge to whom an application is made may, notwithstanding any other law, grant an order, in conformity with section 1805 of this title, approving electronic surveillance of a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information, except that the court shall not have jurisdiction to grant any order approving electronic surveillance directed solely as described in paragraph (1)(A) of subsection (a) of this section unless such surveillance may involve the acquisition of communications of any United States person."
1-103. Pursuant to Section 104(a)(7) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1804(a)(7)), the following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of national security or defense, is designated to make the certifications required by Section 104(a)(7) of the Act in support of applications to conduct electronic surveillance:
(a) Secretary of State.
(b) Secretary of Defense.
(c) Director of Central Intelligence.
(d) Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(e) Deputy Secretary of State.
(f) Deputy Secretary of Defense.
(g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.
None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.
1-104. [Deleted]
1-105. [Deleted]
[Secs. 1-104 and 1-105 amended Executive Order 12036 of Jan. 24, 1978, which was revoked by Executive Order 12333 of Dec. 4, 1981.]
Jimmy Carter
1978