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bus drivers should carry guns

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Don Vito Corleone said:
You're choosing to argue with me based on a point someone else made (the issue of drivers being disarmed by criminals), which I did not echo and which has nothing to do with anything I wrote. You appear to agree with what I wrote. Why are you trying to argue with me again?
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I am not going to argue semantics with you. You said "Trust me, you do not want bus drivers carrying guns. This is firmly in the more-harm-than-good category and would have an adverse effect on public safety."

Which has been historically been proven false. You are acting as if a city would just take a big box of guns and hand them out, and thus it would do more harm than good. I am saying that IF a city did arm their drivers they would be hired and trained properly, and thus would definitely lower the change of some crime happening on the bus.
 
Corporal punishment would fix this shit right up.

I say cane the stupid fucker that did this. Beat his ass black and blue, then see if he or his friends ever do it again.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
I am not going to argue semantics with you. You said "Trust me, you do not want bus drivers carrying guns. This is firmly in the more-harm-than-good category and would have an adverse effect on public safety."

Which has been historically been proven false. You are acting as if a city would just take a big box of guns and hand them out, and thus it would do more harm than good. I am saying that IF a city did arm their drivers they would be hired and trained properly, and thus would definitely lower the change of some crime happening on the bus.
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But you yourself agreed it would be totally impractical to hire and train them properly, plus bus companies each have thousands of bus drivers who are not suitable to carry guns, and who can't be fired for that reason.

It's as though you said, "if a city had a crystal ball and could determine which passengers might commit crimes on the bus and keep them from riding, it would enhance the safety of buses." Obviously that would be true, were it possible to implement. Obviously it's impossible to implement. Accordingly the suggestion itself is meaningless because it's not realistic to implement it.

Similarly, if it were economically and logistically feasible to require that all bus drivers have the fitness and mental-health vetting of Special Forces troops, it would probably enhance public safety if they were armed. That is not economically or logistically feasible, so again, the suggestion is meaningless.

As I said, and as you argued with for no apparent reason, arming bus drivers would do more harm than good and it's an impractical and even dangerous idea.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
What do you not understand about "trained and hired properly"?

I'm not saying it makes sense to do this, from either a financial or social perspective. I'm saying that IF it were handled that way you definitely wouldn't have little thugs doing their typical assault a bus driver routine.
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So tell me. In this particular instance. How would the outcome have been any different if this old bus driver had a gun?

Did you not see how dazed/shocked/confused he was after getting sucker punched? How is him carrying a gun AND being properly trained in it going to help him? Is he suddenly going to develop spidey-sense and know a punch is coming his way, then dodge it, grab the guys wrist, twist it, bringing the thug to his knees, pull out his piece, and say "asta la vista...baby" and blow his brains out? LOL no, he's going to be doing the same thing, sitting there, dazed and confused and unable to stop the thug.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning that thugs behavior. In fact, I'm pretty pissed at watching this video. I want justice to be brought up on that thug.
 
Schfifty Five said:
So tell me. In this particular instance. How would the outcome have been any different if this old bus driver had a gun?
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How many videos can you dig up of young criminals punching an armed police officer in the face and walk away giggling, getting away with it?

Gens do make a difference, despite any argument to the contrary.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Then why are you initiating it, other than that you just like arguing with me? You don't seem to have a position at all, or at least not one that differs from my own.
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You are hopeless sometimes. I've made my position extremely clear; if someone is properly issued a firearm and criminals know said person has a firearm, the chance of something like this happening is GREATLY reduced.
 
Chiropteran said:
How many videos can you dig up of young criminals punching an armed police officer in the face and walk away giggling, getting away with it?

Gens do make a difference, despite any argument to the contrary.
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a bus driver is not a cop. a bus driver does not have the authority of a cop nor should he.
 
dawp said:
a bus driver is not a cop. a bus driver does not have the authority of a cop nor should he.
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Actually they are both human beings, and any authority they have is arbitrarily given to them by their employer.

A bus driver could be trained to handle a firearm the same as any cop.
 
Chiropteran said:
Actually they are both human beings, and any authority they have is arbitrarily given to them by their employer.

A bus driver could be trained to handle a firearm the same as any cop.
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A sheet of polycarbonate or whatever that gets put into a cab to protect the driver would be cheaper overall and more sensible, although I think neither such a thing or a gun is the answer.
 
Chiropteran said:
How many videos can you dig up of young criminals punching an armed police officer in the face and walk away giggling, getting away with it?

Gens do make a difference, despite any argument to the contrary.
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First of all, this is probably the worst argument in the thread so far.

Second, let me ask you the question again. If the only thing you changed in the video was that the bus driver had a gun and was properly trained in using it, how would the ending be any different? It wouldn't.

That old bus driver guy would still be sucker punched, he would still be completely dazed/confused, and by the time he was aware of what was going on, that thug would be long gone.
 
gorcorps said:
I would like to introduce you guys to the multiquote button. It's right next to the regular quote botton and lets you bitch about any number of posts in one coherent message.
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So that's what that button is for! I've seen it there for years, never actually clicked it though.
 
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