Bus driver flips off Bush and gets fired.

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

back to the topic at hand:

opportunity seldom knocks more than once... you've got the chance to either answer or let the chance go by. either give the most powerful man in the world a piece of your mind or let the chance go by just because two or three children might see you give him a piece of your mind.

Then she obviously shouldn't mind losing her job... since it was such an opportunity.

She made the choice. She knew the rules. If you break the rules of your employer, don't whine about being fired. Ya know, she could have made a NON-obscene gesture such as a thumbs down. But no... She choose an obscene gesture with full knowledge that doing so in front of the children in her charge was against the rules.

Her actions while on the job are indefensible. You immaturity shines through in your vain attempts to defend her actions.

i was unaware that she did mind losing her job. if she's bitching about losing her job, she's a frigging idiot. she took the opportunity so many in the world wish they had and put her job on the line. she should have known that there was a big probability of getting fired.

i didn't read the article because the link wouldn't work for me... it was just a blank charter news page with no news.

the only thing i defended was her giving bush the finger. i'm not defending her being fired... that's justified.

You wrote:

:thumbsup: to the bus driver
:thumbsdown: to the decider

Sure looks like you were opposed to her termination.

And yes, she has filed a grievance with the union for "wrongful termination" and the union is taking her side.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

back to the topic at hand:

opportunity seldom knocks more than once... you've got the chance to either answer or let the chance go by. either give the most powerful man in the world a piece of your mind or let the chance go by just because two or three children might see you give him a piece of your mind.

Then she obviously shouldn't mind losing her job... since it was such an opportunity.

She made the choice. She knew the rules. If you break the rules of your employer, don't whine about being fired. Ya know, she could have made a NON-obscene gesture such as a thumbs down. But no... She choose an obscene gesture with full knowledge that doing so in front of the children in her charge was against the rules.

Her actions while on the job are indefensible. You immaturity shines through in your vain attempts to defend her actions.

i was unaware that she did mind losing her job. if she's bitching about losing her job, she's a frigging idiot. she took the opportunity so many in the world wish they had and put her job on the line. she should have known that there was a big probability of getting fired.

i didn't read the article because the link wouldn't work for me... it was just a blank charter news page with no news.

the only thing i defended was her giving bush the finger. i'm not defending her being fired... that's justified.

You wrote:

:thumbsup: to the bus driver
:thumbsdown: to the decider

Sure looks like you were opposed to her termination.

And yes, she has filed a grievance with the union for "wrongful termination" and the union is taking her side.

no... i gave her the :thumbsup: for giving the finger to bush... then, i gave bush ("the decider") a :thumbsdown:...

she's an idiot for filing a grievance with the union for wrongful termination... that's just stupid... but, then again, how smart can she be? she's a bus driver for middle schoolers. the union is probably taking her side because they all hate bush just as much as she does and think this would be a big middle finger to him if they win... or something like that.

either way, i kinda lost respect for the bus driver whenever i just found out that she filed a grievance to get her job back. that's ridiculous.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Standards yes, insanity no.

Slap on the wrist but not firing.

How many times do you get a chance to flip off the guy that has ruined your beloved Country?

You have to leave your political beliefs at home when you go to work (excepting inherently political jobs). Period.

I disagree politically with most people at my job, but I keep quiet about it. Work is not the time or place for it.

You may live in China but I don't.

Why don't you dig a little deeper up your ass and find some more meanings for that? I had a professor (world civ) who came in everyday and did a bunch of bullsh!t political preaching. He got fired. Why? Because the work place is no place for politics.

Regardless of what you think of the president or the war or whatever else you may disagree with, the very least anyone can do is respect the OFFICE of the president and the tradition that it holds in our country. Preach against Bush all you want, but the tradition of the office and our country is one to be appreciated, no matter how you feel about who is at the head of those traditions.

 

[SoylentG]

So what I'm gathering here is that your hate for a single man makes you blind enough to disregard the innocence of children?
...and respect for worktime behavior?

I'm judging from the general bus-driver-supporters' writing styles (lack of punctuation, seems to be typed on the fly, and not proofread, et cetera) that you're probably a younger poster. That's fine, and I can't hold that against you.
However- I can hold you to your words, and the lack of logic that they represent. As has been said multiple times: Regardless of where you work, there is no place for obscene gestures, comments, and the like. Any workplace that allows these things is not a true formal workplace, as I would personally define it. Public school systems have rules that disallow these things for their students; for a student's authority figure to lack the self control to follow the rules (and apparently, more than once) sets a poor example for the children.

At the very least, making an obscene gesture in front of children shouldn't be something that anyone should expect to keep their job after doing.
Neither should making an obscene gesture while working most places.

I understand people want to "stick it" to Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion. Now if only they could go about it with a little more grace than Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel, we would all be very appreciative. Put a little more thought into your posts, or don't hit that "Reply to Topic" button. Your fellow posters thank you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Standards yes, insanity no.

Slap on the wrist but not firing.

How many times do you get a chance to flip off the guy that has ruined your beloved Country?

You have to leave your political beliefs at home when you go to work (excepting inherently political jobs). Period.

I disagree politically with most people at my job, but I keep quiet about it. Work is not the time or place for it.

You may live in China but I don't.

Why don't you dig a little deeper up your ass and find some more meanings for that? I had a professor (world civ) who came in everyday and did a bunch of bullsh!t political preaching. He got fired. Why? Because the work place is no place for politics.

Regardless of what you think of the president or the war or whatever else you may disagree with, the very least anyone can do is respect the OFFICE of the president and the tradition that it holds in our country. Preach against Bush all you want, but the tradition of the office and our country is one to be appreciated, no matter how you feel about who is at the head of those traditions.

I do respect the position which is why Bush should be held just as accountable as Hussein for the deaths of hundreds of thousands on the pretense of a false war.

"There is WMD there and we know where it is".

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: SoylentG
So what I'm gathering here is that your hate for a single man makes you blind enough to disregard the innocence of children?
...and respect for worktime behavior?

I'm judging from the general bus-driver-supporters' writing styles (lack of punctuation, seems to be typed on the fly, and not proofread, et cetera) that you're probably a younger poster. That's fine, and I can't hold that against you.
However- I can hold you to your words, and the lack of logic that they represent. As has been said multiple times: Regardless of where you work, there is no place for obscene gestures, comments, and the like. Any workplace that allows these things is not a true formal workplace, as I would personally define it. Public school systems have rules that disallow these things for their students; for a student's authority figure to lack the self control to follow the rules (and apparently, more than once) sets a poor example for the children.

At the very least, making an obscene gesture in front of children shouldn't be something that anyone should expect to keep their job after doing.
Neither should making an obscene gesture while working most places.

I understand people want to "stick it" to Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion. Now if only they could go about it with a little more grace than Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel, we would all be very appreciative. Put a little more thought into your posts, or don't hit that "Reply to Topic" button. Your fellow posters thank you.

Who is that directed at?

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Standards yes, insanity no.

Slap on the wrist but not firing.

How many times do you get a chance to flip off the guy that has ruined your beloved Country?

You have to leave your political beliefs at home when you go to work (excepting inherently political jobs). Period.

I disagree politically with most people at my job, but I keep quiet about it. Work is not the time or place for it.

You may live in China but I don't.

Why don't you dig a little deeper up your ass and find some more meanings for that? I had a professor (world civ) who came in everyday and did a bunch of bullsh!t political preaching. He got fired. Why? Because the work place is no place for politics.

Regardless of what you think of the president or the war or whatever else you may disagree with, the very least anyone can do is respect the OFFICE of the president and the tradition that it holds in our country. Preach against Bush all you want, but the tradition of the office and our country is one to be appreciated, no matter how you feel about who is at the head of those traditions.

I do respect the position which is why Bush should be held just as accountable as Hussein for the deaths of hundreds of thousands on the pretense of a false war.

"There is WMD there and we know where it is".

Comparing Hussein to Bush is just wrong IMO. Hussein killed millions for pleasure. He tortured, raped, and pillaged his own country and Kuwait, and you compare Bush to him? I used to be behind the war, but no longer, yet even I won't compare evil to the man who is the leader of our country...

Like it or not, Bush is president, and until 2008, nothing else can be done. All we can do is pray that our troops come home safely and everything improves...

 

[tomywishbone]

"...Hussein killed millions for pleasure..."

On a similar note, yesterday I bench pressed 14,745 pounds.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: SoylentG

You have to be pretty close to the most idiotic person I've seen on the INTERNET! I've talked to radical racists who had a better understanding of simple logic than you.
I get the feel from your posts that you don't quite grasp the concept of what rights actually are. In America, we more or less have free will in many areas that individuals in other countries don't. Despite what many people think, the Constitution isn't a free ticket to do or say what you want. I can walk up to a woman while at work, and use my free speech to tell her, "Damn, looking at you makes me want to ****** you so badly." But there are consequences. You pull the word "patriotic" out while describing a woman who flipped off the president. I'd like to take this moment to enlighten you...flipping off the representative of a company doesn't make you that company's supporter. The same concept applies to a country. If you can get your redneck buttscratching ass off of the god damn bandwagon and maybe *gasp* get some formal education that actually supplies knowledge of what the constitution guarantees, as far as rights, maybe you could avoid invoking the Constitution the next time someone flips someone off while working with children.

To add some context, since you haven't been here long enough to know...

Dave is holding a grudge against the Republicans because the state of Georgia prosecuted him for installing Distributed.net's rc5des program on the computers in the computer lab that he worked in.

You have to look in the forum archives to find it, but the posts are still there.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pastore
dmcowen, you're an idiot. Suppose I don't need to reiterate the fact, but free speech was upheld perfectly in this situation, you know why? Because she wasn't fvcking arrested on the spot you jerkoff. Many countries would have hauled her away and locked her up, but the free speech you say wasn't upheld, WAS UPHELD YOU DOUCHE.

Yep, I may be an idiot, jerkoff and a douche but it is apparent you are the one that wishes this woman was arrested for flipping off your hero.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: SoylentG

You have to be pretty close to the most idiotic person I've seen on the INTERNET! I've talked to radical racists who had a better understanding of simple logic than you.
I get the feel from your posts that you don't quite grasp the concept of what rights actually are. In America, we more or less have free will in many areas that individuals in other countries don't. Despite what many people think, the Constitution isn't a free ticket to do or say what you want. I can walk up to a woman while at work, and use my free speech to tell her, "Damn, looking at you makes me want to ****** you so badly." But there are consequences. You pull the word "patriotic" out while describing a woman who flipped off the president. I'd like to take this moment to enlighten you...flipping off the representative of a company doesn't make you that company's supporter. The same concept applies to a country. If you can get your redneck buttscratching ass off of the god damn bandwagon and maybe *gasp* get some formal education that actually supplies knowledge of what the constitution guarantees, as far as rights, maybe you could avoid invoking the Constitution the next time someone flips someone off while working with children.

To add some context, since you haven't been here long enough to know...

Dave is holding a grudge against the Republicans because the state of Georgia prosecuted him for installing Distributed.net's rc5des program on the computers in the computer lab that he worked in.

You have to look in the forum archives to find it, but the posts are still there.

Actually Georgia was controlled by Democrats back then, it was President Bush's Chief Technologist that helped make the Democrat Governor and Senator back down.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: SoylentG

You have to be pretty close to the most idiotic person I've seen on the INTERNET! I've talked to radical racists who had a better understanding of simple logic than you.
I get the feel from your posts that you don't quite grasp the concept of what rights actually are. In America, we more or less have free will in many areas that individuals in other countries don't. Despite what many people think, the Constitution isn't a free ticket to do or say what you want. I can walk up to a woman while at work, and use my free speech to tell her, "Damn, looking at you makes me want to ****** you so badly." But there are consequences. You pull the word "patriotic" out while describing a woman who flipped off the president. I'd like to take this moment to enlighten you...flipping off the representative of a company doesn't make you that company's supporter. The same concept applies to a country. If you can get your redneck buttscratching ass off of the god damn bandwagon and maybe *gasp* get some formal education that actually supplies knowledge of what the constitution guarantees, as far as rights, maybe you could avoid invoking the Constitution the next time someone flips someone off while working with children.

To add some context, since you haven't been here long enough to know...

Dave is holding a grudge against the Republicans because the state of Georgia prosecuted him for installing Distributed.net's rc5des program on the computers in the computer lab that he worked in.

You have to look in the forum archives to find it, but the posts are still there.

Actually Georgia was controlled by Democrats back then, it was President Bush's Chief Technologist that helped make the Democrat Governor and Senator back down.

Wow, so you mean the Republicans helped you out while the Democrats screwed you over?

Way to show gratitude. High-five! </sarcasm>

 

[Noobtastic]

?The congressman hadn?t seen it, but the president turned to him and said, ?That one?s not a fan,?? said Reichert spokeswoman Kimberly Cadena.


LOLOLOLOL

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pastore
dmcowen, you're an idiot. Suppose I don't need to reiterate the fact, but free speech was upheld perfectly in this situation, you know why? Because she wasn't fvcking arrested on the spot you jerkoff. Many countries would have hauled her away and locked her up, but the free speech you say wasn't upheld, WAS UPHELD YOU DOUCHE.

Yep, I may be an idiot, jerkoff and a douche but it is apparent you are the one that wishes this woman was arrested for flipping off your hero.

There is noting of the sort apparent in his post. How absurd for you to even make such a claim.

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: Vic
Regardless of political affiliation, I would prefer bus drivers not flip the bird in front of students, thank you very much. Did she do the same to drivers who cut her off?

/agree

 

[matchbox1012]

you are right, i agree with you vic .i also would prefer bus drivers not flip the bird in front of students.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Standards yes, insanity no.

Slap on the wrist but not firing.

How many times do you get a chance to flip off the guy that has ruined your beloved Country?

You have to leave your political beliefs at home when you go to work (excepting inherently political jobs). Period.

I disagree politically with most people at my job, but I keep quiet about it. Work is not the time or place for it.

You may live in China but I don't.

Why don't you dig a little deeper up your ass and find some more meanings for that? I had a professor (world civ) who came in everyday and did a bunch of bullsh!t political preaching. He got fired. Why? Because the work place is no place for politics.

Regardless of what you think of the president or the war or whatever else you may disagree with, the very least anyone can do is respect the OFFICE of the president and the tradition that it holds in our country. Preach against Bush all you want, but the tradition of the office and our country is one to be appreciated, no matter how you feel about who is at the head of those traditions.

I do respect the position which is why Bush should be held just as accountable as Hussein for the deaths of hundreds of thousands on the pretense of a false war.

"There is WMD there and we know where it is".

Comparing Hussein to Bush is just wrong IMO. Hussein killed millions for pleasure. He tortured, raped, and pillaged his own country and Kuwait, and you compare Bush to him? I used to be behind the war, but no longer, yet even I won't compare evil to the man who is the leader of our country...

Like it or not, Bush is president, and until 2008, nothing else can be done. All we can do is pray that our troops come home safely and everything improves...

Wrong to you, maybe.

Pretty much perfect comparison for me. Heck, I'd say Bush is pretty much above Saddam, just a tad below Hitler.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
"...Hussein killed millions for pleasure..."

On a similar note, yesterday I bench pressed 14,745 pounds.

haha thank you for that i was gonna say something, but decided not to.

fact: we've killed more iraqis than saddam ever had.

 

[FoBoT]

this definitely has degenerated into a P&N thread (cesspool)

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom
Suppose she liked Bush, and flashed a V for victory sign..should she be fired for expressing a political view ?

What if she gave Bush a thumbs down sign, should she be fired for a non obscene disapproval ?

If the issue is obscenity, should every bus driver who ever muttered a bad word for any reason be fired too ?

The company made it very clear the firing was for the obcsene gesture in front of students and had nothing to do with politics.

Furthermore, according to this article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2003336906_busdriver02e.html

The driver had a pattern of unprofessional conduct on the job, and this was the last straw.

Finally, her boss says this:

"If the bus driver had made the gesture to a driver who cut her off on a local road, we would have taken the same action."

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

Tell me, do you believe that obscene gestures while on the job as a school bus driver should be against the rules?

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

Tell me, do you believe that obscene gestures while on the job as a school bus driver should be against the rules?

Yea, I already said so. My issue is are such rules enforced fairly, and if the punishment fits the crime. This article raises questions for me about both of those things.

If an ordinary citizen reported being given the finger, would the same thing happen ? Or did politics, or even just friendship, play a role ?

I'm not saying the superintendent did anything wrong, I'm saying there are questions that haven't been answered.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

Tell me, do you believe that obscene gestures while on the job as a school bus driver should be against the rules?

Yea, I already said so. My issue is are such rules enforced fairly, and if the punishment fits the crime. This article raises questions for me about both of those things.

If an ordinary citizen reported being given the finger, would the same thing happen ? Or did politics, or even just friendship, play a role ?

I'm not saying the superintendent did anything wrong, I'm saying there are questions that haven't been answered.

I'm sure many in here feel as though she should have her finger cut off.
I'm sure