Bus driver flips off Bush and gets fired.

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pastore
dmcowen, you're an idiot. Suppose I don't need to reiterate the fact, but free speech was upheld perfectly in this situation, you know why? Because she wasn't fvcking arrested on the spot you jerkoff. Many countries would have hauled her away and locked her up, but the free speech you say wasn't upheld, WAS UPHELD YOU DOUCHE.

Yep, I may be an idiot, jerkoff and a douche but it is apparent you are the one that wishes this woman was arrested for flipping off your hero.

What the bloody hell are you talking about? I never implied I wished she was arrested OR said anything about Bush being a hero. I love how when you break down an argument the person starts making up random crap.

 

[glugglug]

Am I the only one who thinks she was setting a GOOD example for the children?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Am I the only one who thinks she was setting a GOOD example for the children?

Really? So you think it's a good idea to teach children to make obscene gestures to anyone they don't like or agree with?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: glugglug
Am I the only one who thinks she was setting a GOOD example for the children?

Really? So you think it's a good idea to teach children to make obscene gestures to anyone they don't like or agree with?

These are the the type of morons that have kids that are spoiled and out of control. And then they blame the school systems for their dipsh1t kids failing.

 

[SoylentG]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

Tell me, do you believe that obscene gestures while on the job as a school bus driver should be against the rules?

Yea, I already said so. My issue is are such rules enforced fairly, and if the punishment fits the crime. This article raises questions for me about both of those things.

If an ordinary citizen reported being given the finger, would the same thing happen ? Or did politics, or even just friendship, play a role ?

I'm not saying the superintendent did anything wrong, I'm saying there are questions that haven't been answered.

I'm sure many in here feel as though she should have her finger cut off.
I'm sure

So, how many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Because your IQ is dropping each post you make.

 

[zinfamous]

Bush is a criminal and an asshole. He deserves many birds, and perhaps many broomsticks shoved into a rather uncomfortable place. Should the bus driver have been fired? Yes.
Are bus drivers real authority figures and role models? not likely (just ask any kid)...but they are adults and work around children...all of whom are very impressionable.

If a doctor flips off a patient, he or she would get sanctioned; not fired. Why? B/c the doctor has a skill--a very advanced skill that took many years of training and lots of funds to aquire. There are tons of people willing and able to drive a bus for cash. Firing one as an example is not a problem for the company. Is the societal punishment for the same infraction in different economic and educational brackets fair? Possibly...but not really, when you think about it.

Is this woman a patriot? Hell Yeah!! A patriot who deserved to be fired.

 

[knightc2]

So if I flip off the president I am a patriot? This is pretty flawed logic. A patriot is someone that supports the country not someone that disrespects the president. I don't like Bush and I don't think he has handled things very well, but he is the leader of our counrty and was voted in not once but twice by the people of this country. If you don't like the policies of your government then vote on election day and encourage others to do the same.

You, the Bus driver and many others would love to give Bush the bird but don't do it on a bus full of kids while on company time. This is not free speech and at the very least is distasteful.

The doctor example is a poor one since the circumstances are vastly different. The doctor isn't in front a of a bus load of impressionable kids and he is not driving a bus for an employer that is funded with taxpayer dollars. Big difference.

 

[zinfamous]

I pointed out the doctor vs bus driver situation b/c they are vastly different situations. That was my point. Thanks for driving it home...I guess.

I said the bus driver was wrong in flipping the bird in front of kids. I said she was right to be fired. How did you miss this point? It's rather obvious in my post.

Bush wasn't really "voted" in by the people. You must be rather naive to believe this. The supreme court decided he was president in 2000, and thanks to voter descrimination in FL and OH, he was "voted" in the second time. Most people that pay attention to politics, and don't simply vote b/c they have to or think that is the only action that entitles them to have an opinion on the matter, feel this way.

Ummm...it's pretty unpatriotic to support this president. That is, if you believe that patriotism is doing everything you can for the good of this country. If a president goes so far as to besmirch the honorable (people put far too much "godly" status into the title of being president) position he has, then yeah--he deserves to be disrespected....for the good of the country, of course.

I don't have a problem voting...but when the last 2 major elections ended b/c of a crooked system, can you blaim people for being disillusioned over our failed electoral system? Is it right that the (until today ) Republican majority in the house represented only 33% of the entire population of the US? It's one thing to argue "my one vote doesn't count" because campaigns tend to be won by numbers in the tens of thousands (ridiculous); yet the same argument is legitimate when your vote really isn't counted--thrown into a dumpster in Ohio by the boatload.

I find it hilarious that the biggest supporteers of these neo-con boobs are those who are the first to get screwed by those whom they elect (rural-dwelling, low to middle income fundies). They seem to believe that they are benefitting from "tax cuts." (never mind that this president has spent more, and taxed heavier than any "pinko lib" president ever has).

I'd like to trust the system; that would be great. I would like to think that we are perfect and just. However, the blatant reality skews my opinions otherwise.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SoylentG

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Amused

Your post makes it sound like there are multiple sources for this info, when in fact they all come from one person. Despite what he says, we have to consider how he even knew about the incident, which has earmarks of a political favor.

btw, I'm not condoning the bus driver's actions, but firing seems pretty severe. If it's true this was part of a pattern, that would be different, but I'm not just going to take the "bosses" word on that.

Actually it's two people.

Sara Niegowski, a spokeswoman for the school district.
Issaquah Superintendent Janet Barry.

And it's pretty clear the driver bragged about it the day it happened, as the district was notified by fellow employees before Bush's man called.

Those aren't two separate sources. The spokeswoman is just relaying the department's official position, which is determined by the superintendent.

Additionally, there is no independent source that other employees reported the "bragging", that info also comes from the superintendent.

All of this might be cleared up in later stories, my only point is there isn't any real evidence in this article that the firing was not political, except the denial of the person who did the firing, which of course would deny it.

Tell me, do you believe that obscene gestures while on the job as a school bus driver should be against the rules?

Yea, I already said so. My issue is are such rules enforced fairly, and if the punishment fits the crime. This article raises questions for me about both of those things.

If an ordinary citizen reported being given the finger, would the same thing happen ? Or did politics, or even just friendship, play a role ?

I'm not saying the superintendent did anything wrong, I'm saying there are questions that haven't been answered.

I'm sure many in here feel as though she should have her finger cut off.
I'm sure

So, how many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?
Because your IQ is dropping each post you make.

I was baby so I don't remember and my IQ may be dropping but I do know I have many people that agree with me, yesterday's results sure showed that. :laugh:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I was baby so I don't remember and my IQ may be dropping but I do know I have many people that agree with me, yesterday's results sure showed that. :laugh:

You think everyone, or even a signifigant minority of people who voted Democrat think bus drivers should be allowed to make obscene gestures in front of children?

Do your delusions know ANY bounds, Dave?

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Pastore
dmcowen, you're an idiot. Suppose I don't need to reiterate the fact, but free speech was upheld perfectly in this situation, you know why? Because she wasn't fvcking arrested on the spot you jerkoff. Many countries would have hauled her away and locked her up, but the free speech you say wasn't upheld, WAS UPHELD YOU DOUCHE.

Yep, I may be an idiot, jerkoff and a douche but it is apparent you are the one that wishes this woman was arrested for flipping off your hero.

Quoted for self-pwnage. Dave, try reading for comprehension next time.

My two cents: the bus driver performed an obscene gesture while on the job in front of children. Whom she flipped off is irrelevant. The firing was justified. If she weren't fired immediately, and if I were a parent of a child on that bus, I'd be calling the school demanding her termination.

Bus company =/= government.

Freedom of speech is only guaranteed against the government. There is no guaranteed freedom of speech where private parties are concerned.

Some of you really should try reading the Constitution before screaming about rights.

 

[knightc2]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
I pointed out the doctor vs bus driver situation b/c they are vastly different situations. That was my point. Thanks for driving it home...I guess.

I said the bus driver was wrong in flipping the bird in front of kids. I said she was right to be fired. How did you miss this point? It's rather obvious in my post.

Bush wasn't really "voted" in by the people. You must be rather naive to believe this. The supreme court decided he was president in 2000, and thanks to voter descrimination in FL and OH, he was "voted" in the second time. Most people that pay attention to politics, and don't simply vote b/c they have to or think that is the only action that entitles them to have an opinion on the matter, feel this way.

Ummm...it's pretty unpatriotic to support this president. That is, if you believe that patriotism is doing everything you can for the good of this country. If a president goes so far as to besmirch the honorable (people put far too much "godly" status into the title of being president) position he has, then yeah--he deserves to be disrespected....for the good of the country, of course.

I don't have a problem voting...but when the last 2 major elections ended b/c of a crooked system, can you blaim people for being disillusioned over our failed electoral system? Is it right that the (until today ) Republican majority in the house represented only 33% of the entire population of the US? It's one thing to argue "my one vote doesn't count" because campaigns tend to be won by numbers in the tens of thousands (ridiculous); yet the same argument is legitimate when your vote really isn't counted--thrown into a dumpster in Ohio by the boatload.

I find it hilarious that the biggest supporteers of these neo-con boobs are those who are the first to get screwed by those whom they elect (rural-dwelling, low to middle income fundies). They seem to believe that they are benefitting from "tax cuts." (never mind that this president has spent more, and taxed heavier than any "pinko lib" president ever has).

I'd like to trust the system; that would be great. I would like to think that we are perfect and just. However, the blatant reality skews my opinions otherwise.

I didn't miss your point. I just think that flipping the bird to the President of the US is not a patriotic thing to do regardless of how anyone feels about him. And my second comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you.

Yes, you can argue that Bush wasn't voted in by the "people" because of the electoral college and the voting scandals, but even so the numbers were very close and clearly the country was and is divided politically. You could have recounted the votes 20 times and came up with 20 different outcomes. I really thought that Al Gore was going to win in 2000 and probably should have but based purely on the actual evidence that was presented in the Supreme Court they did make the right choice.

Want change? Vote Libertarian.

 

[zinfamous]

Libertarian?? Neal Bortz ftw. Yeah right....those guys scares me more than the neo-con hawks skulking around congress these days.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Libertarian?? Neal Bortz ftw. Yeah right....those guys scares me more than the neo-con hawks skulking around congress these days.

Um, Bortz is not representitive of your average Libertarian.

And why would a libertarian scare you? All they want is to be left alone and to leave you alone. How in the fsck is that scary?

Libertarians are all about freedom and hold the very same ideals the writers of the Constitution did. Why are people so scared of freedom these days?