Burglar in house, you have gun locked and loaded

[eits]

Of course its hard to aim in the middle of the night during an invasion. Aiming for a knee or a head is silly, you aim center mass. Its very hard to hit a moving target in pitch black




More talking out your ass I see.



I didn't think you were. They way you get pissed off at gun owners here shows it.




I'll ask ya again, what would you do if 2-3 guys break into your house in the middle of the night?

lol i'm not pissed at gun owners at all. i support the 2nd amendment. however, i think that a lot of you guys are living in a fantasy where you automatically think it'd be easy to kill someone. it's not that easy.

1, i'll never live in an area where that's going to be a concern of mine... 2, i have two guard dogs that will deter an intruder from breaking into my house... no one would want to go through the trouble of dealing with my dogs... they'd rather just hit up another house that's easier to break into quietly... 3, if i ever did feel the need to get a gun, i'd more than likely use the gun to shoot him in the leg (i've got very good aim) or simply scare him if i miss. i don't want a dead body in my house for the kids to see and i don't want to take the life of another person. i'd much rather shoot a leg so he could be caught and thrown in jail.

 

[surfsatwerk]

The poll needs another option.

"Shoot to thrill"

The intruder would literally have his socks rocked off, thus rendering him helpless and no longer a threat.

 

[nick1985]

a lot of you guys are living in a fantasy where you automatically think it'd be easy to kill someone. it's not that easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSp-R4pZmY&feature=related

1, i'll never live in an area where that's going to be a concern of mine...

You know they can happen anywhere, right? What a naieve moronic statement.

i'd more than likely use the gun to shoot him in the leg (i've got very good aim)

I'm sure you would be all calm, cool, and collected while 3 guys break into your house. Would take 3 carefully placed shots in your dark house and nail the 3 moving targets in their knees. You are Jason Bourne.

or simply scare him if i miss.

Or they shoot you and kill you.

i don't want a dead body in my house for the kids to see and i don't want to take the life of another person. i'd much rather shoot a leg so he could be caught and thrown in jail.

Would you rather have a dead burgler on your floor or a dead family?

 

[ichy]

My question to that is, where the hell do you retreat to if you are in your own house? Or does the law mean that if you are on the street, you need to make an attempt to run away?

It's a little more complicated than that. I don't know about California, but while Maryland is technically a "duty to retreat" state there's both caselaw and common law principals that protect the right of a person to use deadly force to defend his home without retreating. Castle Doctrine laws actually have more to do with civil liability, but your safety should always matter more than that. Better to be judged by 12 (in a civil case) than carried by 6.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Typical ATOT'r

 

[shortylickens]

In California, #4 is your only option.
In the real America, most of us are required to do number 3, but with no witnesses its anyones guess what really happened.

And if you've ever had ANY firearms training you will know that you only use a gun if you intend to kill someone. This whole "shooting to wound" thing has been greatly exaggerated by Hollywood. Most cops dont learn that. And if you are protecting your home you definitely shouldnt be thinking about it.
If you dont the guy dead, dont buy a gun. Its that simple.

 

[JulesMaximus]

In California, #4 is your only option.
In the real America, most of us are required to do number 3, but with no witnesses its anyones guess what really happened.

And if you've ever had ANY firearms training you will know that you only use a gun if you intend to kill someone. This whole "shooting to wound" thing has been greatly exaggerated by Hollywood. Most cops dont learn that. And if you are protecting your home you definitely shouldnt be thinking about it.
If you dont the guy dead, dont buy a gun. Its that simple.

Actually, in the real america 99.9% of us will NEVER have to face this situation.

 

[SR1729]

Brilliant, enjoy your time facing judges, lawyers, jurors, etc, so many keyboard commandos here it's laughable.
You can take a life so quickly here, so I'm guessing you're actually a part time hit man for the Triad/Mafia/CIA, so killing someone you could potentially scare off means another notch in your bandoleer
🙄

The entire premise of your argument hinges on the intruder being a skittish burglar who'd run at the sheer sound of another person in the house. Stupid.

You may think the lot of us are just "keyboard commandos", but as a man with a family, my one and only concern in the heat of that moment is halting the immediate threat as soon as I possibly can... which pretty much entails shooting the intruder until I'm flat out of bullets.

Your limp-dick tactics may one day leave your wife or child dead because you're worried about going to jail. Let us know when your testicles descend.

 

[NetWareHead]

i'd much rather shoot a leg so he could be caught and thrown in jail.

He lives and that is one witness to contradict your self defense claim and file a personal injury lawsuit from his jail cell. Or get attempted murder charges filed against you. Or you paralyze/severely injure him and now u have to support this POS forever.

It really is alot easier to just put 2 in his chest and 1 in the head to be sure. I still dont understand this "shooting a knee out" BS. You eliminate a witness and cement your claim to self defense. Cops have to believe you since the guys with 3 rounds in him won't talk. You are also doing society a favor by stopping this POS criminal from harming anyone else in the future.

 

[pontifex]

lol i'm not pissed at gun owners at all. i support the 2nd amendment. however, i think that a lot of you guys are living in a fantasy where you automatically think it'd be easy to kill someone. it's not that easy.

1, i'll never live in an area where that's going to be a concern of mine... 2, i have two guard dogs that will deter an intruder from breaking into my house... no one would want to go through the trouble of dealing with my dogs... they'd rather just hit up another house that's easier to break into quietly... 3, if i ever did feel the need to get a gun, i'd more than likely use the gun to shoot him in the leg (i've got very good aim) or simply scare him if i miss. i don't want a dead body in my house for the kids to see and i don't want to take the life of another person. i'd much rather shoot a leg so he could be caught and thrown in jail.

if you shoot him in the leg, you're going to jail too.

 

[AstroManLuca]

umm...if he's dead then the threat's stopped, right?

you never tell anyone you shot to kill, that means you intended to kill him and makes you look guilty. you shoot to stop the threat.

This.

Don't shoot to kill, but don't hold back either. Purposely trying to deliver non-lethal shots (legs, arms, whatever) is stupid because those are much smaller targets than center mass and even if you do hit them there's a good chance it doesn't stop the threat. Shooting at the head is bad too - it's also a small target and it makes you look like the bad guy.

Just shoot at the center mass and keep shooting until they collapse. It's the biggest and steadiest target.

Shoot to stop. Center mass.

 

[clamum]

LULZ @ shooting a moving figure at night in the knee. HAHAHA. Retarded.

 

[nick1985]

LULZ @ shooting a moving figure at night in the knee. HAHAHA. Retarded.

eits is just a pro. You wish you could shoot like that guy

 

[KeithTalent]

Impossible scenario as I would not have a gun. 😀

KT

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I've gone over it many times mentally and I'm already sure of what I would do. I would shoot center mass as many and as quickly as possible. No announcement, no sound, just bang-bang-bang. Then I'd look for others and call police. They're rarely alone.

Yea, I kind of agree. If you're going to shoot just go for the middle. Thinking ones going to quick draw from around the corner and put one round between the eyes is a little ambitious. Pumping some rounds into their chest is much easier.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

California is a duty to retreat state AFAIK. You must make all reasonable attempts to retreat and can only use force in self defense. You're hands are tied as far as what you can do legally.

Most states have castle laws where you can shoot them dead just for being in your house. And by law you can't be held criminally or civilly liable.

if only the US had laws like this regarding its borders.
that should stop the "undocumented immigrant" problem we have.

 

[RagingBITCH]

eits is just a pro. You wish you could shoot like that guy

He clearly has Special Forces training, or considers shooting the moving ducks at the fair "good aim"

 

[nick1985]

He clearly has Special Forces training, or considers shooting the moving ducks at the fair "good aim"

lol

 

[RagingBITCH]

lol

I think he still has the pink teddy bear to prove it. 🙂

 

[ghost recon88]

Fuck that. If you're in my house illegally and uninvited, you forfeit your life. Period.

This

 

[JulesMaximus]

The entire premise of your argument hinges on the intruder being a skittish burglar who'd run at the sheer sound of another person in the house. Stupid.

You may think the lot of us are just "keyboard commandos", but as a man with a family, my one and only concern in the heat of that moment is halting the immediate threat as soon as I possibly can... which pretty much entails shooting the intruder until I'm flat out of bullets.

Your limp-dick tactics may one day leave your wife or child dead because you're worried about going to jail. Let us know when your testicles descend.

And the odds of that happening are? Conveniently ignored by the keyboard commandos.

 

[nick1985]

And the odds of that happening are? Conveniently ignored by the keyboard commandos.

Nobody thinks the odds are great Jules. We understand you do not want any means to defend yourself or your family. Thats fine, its your choice. We dont give a shit if you "feel safe".

However, dont knock the people that choose to arm themselves should something occur. Its not a hard concept to understand. Shit happens, being prepared for bad things isnt a dumb idea for "keyboard commandos". Every gun thread we have like this you are in it and you never make a lick of sense.

Do you know how many tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) guns are used successfully in self-defense cases each year? Or are you ignorant of that as well?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Nobody thinks the odds are great Jules. We understand you do not want any means to defend yourself or your family. Thats fine, its your choice. We dont give a shit if you "feel safe".

However, dont knock the people that choose to arm themselves should something occur. Its not a hard concept to understand. Shit happens, being prepared for bad things isnt a dumb idea for "keyboard commandos". Every gun thread we have like this you are in it and you never make a lick of sense.

Do you know how many tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) guns are used successfully in self-defense cases each year? Or are you ignorant of that as well?

Nobody does because it isn't well documented. If it is 25,000 a year that equates to about .008% of the population, if it is 100,000 a year that is .03% of the population.

I own guns, I am just realistic about the very remote possibility of ever having to use one in self defense. Fuck, I lived in Los Angeles during the riots after the Rodney King verdict. I drove through areas that were actively being looted with a gun in my lap. Nobody fucked with me and I didn't have to shoot anyone. No way am I risking my life to defend someone else's property either.

Personally, I think that keeping your cool goes a longer way toward ensuring your safety than owning guns does. Are there situations in which a gun is necessary? Definitely, but based on the odds I'd rather take my chances than go around armed all the time. It's just not worth the hassle IMO.

I keep one loaded gun where I can get to it in our house, and where my son can't get to it. The rest of them are locked up in a gun safe with the ammo.

 

[nick1985]

Nobody does because it isn't well documented. If it is 25,000 a year that equates to about .008% of the population, if it is 100,000 a year that is .03% of the population.

Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.

--Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Fall 1995


Old stastic, but I doubt that number has gone down. If anything its probably more.

 

[olds]

Let me settle this once and for all.
This is America, you handle it your way and I'll handle it my way.