I find it quite amusing that the latest article here on Anandtech that mentions Bulldozer status contradicts the Xbitlabs claim. Isn't it great when we get conflicting reports? For those that would prefer not to click, the last paragraph there states,
how is this phenom all over again? I'm curiuos only because I don't remember AMD running around talking about how they will trounce whatever intel has to offer
Red Dawn
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Ahh yes, I remember they claimed that Barcelona would be 40% faster then Core2 but I could swear that there is a claim out there that Bulldozer will be 50% faster then Corei7 950 or something like that sooooo.
Ok so found the claim. It was actually a 16 core Bulldozer to be 50% faster then 12 core Magny Cours.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ay_Not_Bring_Dramatic_Performance_Boosts.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ay_Not_Bring_Dramatic_Performance_Boosts.html
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So B1 got the clockspeeds up but they need a B2 to tweak some other aspects to make it launch worth, hope they QA that B2 spin very thoroughly. If the launch is off until September I may just end up with a Sandybridge system, don't think I'm alone in not being inclined to wait through the whole summer.
^^ What he said. This doesn't really matter to me because I won't be buying this year - I've just been hoping AMD can get back in the game. But, if AMD is implementing a B3 stepping, it needs to have much better single threaded performance- otherwise the added development costs are going to sink their overall margins even more. With this delay, they will have less time to compete against SB and will run into IB too soon.
i dont, but i DO know that the z-68 will be mature and any outstanding issues would've been ironed out.
There are always growing pains with new chipsets that bios updates fix or new revisions of Mobos fix, atleast come september the z-68 chipset wont have that problem, so it'll be a safer bet.
I'm all AMD usually, but this time i just can't see myself getting on the boat w/ the way things are going.
Phynaz
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Why is everybody saying these kind remarks?
IB is due to march-April in 2012. I AMD launches BD in september.. that 6-7months before Ivy-bridge is released! AMD has BD+ scheduled for 2012 also... so the to-be-launched BD will at most compete only a few months with Ivy bridge and even then ivy is first scheduled as a mainstream part.
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Well according to that, it could be anywhere from August 1st to Sept 1st, but with the rumors floating around lately it looks like that'll be closer to September. Bummer.
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Well I wasn't sure, since that could be considered a rumor and hasn't JFAMD said they don't comment on rumors? But it doesn't matter now, since the computex slide shows 60-90 days for launch.
Wait, so B1 is hitting 3.8+GHz and that's not considered competitive? I think someone around here was figuring the delay is either due to low clock speed or another TLB type issue. Maybe the latter is true and there's some sort of bug that needs to be worked out before release?
On the flipside, I think one of Anand's computex articles mentioned late July - early August. I hope to see it early August, but I'll expect to see it near the end.
Ugh, what makes this worse is hearing about a delay so close to launch. I think it would be less agonizing if I had known this a few months ago.
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If they are just now respinning a Sept launch will be a miracle. It takes a few weeks to get back engineering samples. Basically they are hoping B3 will hit their marks and they can commence production immediately. Good luck.
Sadly, all that can be done with the current, somewhat contradictory information that's available is to guess. If it is indeed not an issue of clockspeed but rather IPC, then the best case scenario I can think of is that perhaps B0 had a bad timing path, but performance per clock was as expected, so they did a quick respin, B1, to simply disable that logic and confirm that there were no other clock speed issues. That would put B2 as the actual fix... The main problem with that dream scenario is that they'd typically make such a change for testing via FIB on a few parts, not make a new stepping.
The more likely scenario with the given information is that they have a low confidence fix in the works for B2 and the excuse for the delay varies with who's asked because none of them are allowed to say what's really going on.
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AMD roadmap now shows AMD late summer thats aug. sept. Thats offical.
IB show me a link from intel saying March April . Even that Slide everyone is pointing at shows it in first quarter if you look at the date line
Phynaz
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According to this report from Computex, an 8 core BD is performing slower than a 6 core Phenom.
http://translate.google.com/transla...putex-qamd-bulldozer-trager-dan-phenom-ii-x6q
If true, that sucks, for lack of a better phrase.
http://translate.google.com/transla...putex-qamd-bulldozer-trager-dan-phenom-ii-x6q
If true, that sucks, for lack of a better phrase.
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It sucks if true.. but they tried to substantiate their claim by pointing towards Xbit's article.. which itself differs a lot from Anand's piece.
Having worked at Intel's Fab4 plant in Hillsboro Or. I understand at least a little bit of how hard it can be to validate or get a pass on a new wafer or chips on it.
I am SCARED. The reason why is AMD needs this cpu to keep playing in the game. Now that they don't have their fabs at least that cost is lower but they still have to work all these steps out with the fab plants that are going to be making them. R&D costs are huge. And I don't know how far AMD can go investing money toward this process. If they go all the way and it fails it could hurt AMD past the point of no return or cripple them for years.
I hope they are going to make some kind of money on the cpu/gpu setup. That is a good idea and with ATI they have a good team. I hope this problem doesn't shift money away from this area or even eat into the graphics card R&D coffers. I just don't know how they are set up these days.
If AMD blows this and the worst thing happens, they get bought out by some company that really don't care all that much and strips the graphics down to nothing where would this leave us and I don't just mean AMD users. I have posted what it was like in the pre-amd era or where they were just getting into the game. Intel cpu's cost as much as a moderate computer today costs and if ATI gets screwed we may also see costs rise on Nvidia graphics chips.
When you take a look at how the process today keeps prices low It's one reason I continue to use AMD / ATI products. It's not anything bad as they do make good and fast cpu's and the ATI end is producing great video cards. I hope AMD is still working with IBM or getting some R&D help from them because they sure need it to keep those costs down and again, R&D costs are a real killer. I pray, I hope they get this new cpu up and going and it is a real performance killer. All of us need this, even the Intel users. I keep wishing people would take this long term view and give AMD more support and not jump onto the Intel band wagon just because of a little gain here and there. I still put 2 systems side by side and it's rare that anyone can tell which cpu is which by running a game. Though in some area's where a file is converted or compressed the times are enough that a person with a quick eye can tell but for most of a computers uses today both AMD and Intel cpu's are really fairly close for home systems.
Who knows, maybe by next year or two quantum computers may steal the show and everything will be obsolete before we know it. They are already building them and developed a programming language for the quantum computers but it's too early to tell which area they will take by storm but the universe is that crazy and it's hard to take anything for granted.
But if YOU want CHEAP computers please show some support AMD's way by cpu or video cards because we def. can not afford to loose them.
I am SCARED. The reason why is AMD needs this cpu to keep playing in the game. Now that they don't have their fabs at least that cost is lower but they still have to work all these steps out with the fab plants that are going to be making them. R&D costs are huge. And I don't know how far AMD can go investing money toward this process. If they go all the way and it fails it could hurt AMD past the point of no return or cripple them for years.
I hope they are going to make some kind of money on the cpu/gpu setup. That is a good idea and with ATI they have a good team. I hope this problem doesn't shift money away from this area or even eat into the graphics card R&D coffers. I just don't know how they are set up these days.
If AMD blows this and the worst thing happens, they get bought out by some company that really don't care all that much and strips the graphics down to nothing where would this leave us and I don't just mean AMD users. I have posted what it was like in the pre-amd era or where they were just getting into the game. Intel cpu's cost as much as a moderate computer today costs and if ATI gets screwed we may also see costs rise on Nvidia graphics chips.
When you take a look at how the process today keeps prices low It's one reason I continue to use AMD / ATI products. It's not anything bad as they do make good and fast cpu's and the ATI end is producing great video cards. I hope AMD is still working with IBM or getting some R&D help from them because they sure need it to keep those costs down and again, R&D costs are a real killer. I pray, I hope they get this new cpu up and going and it is a real performance killer. All of us need this, even the Intel users. I keep wishing people would take this long term view and give AMD more support and not jump onto the Intel band wagon just because of a little gain here and there. I still put 2 systems side by side and it's rare that anyone can tell which cpu is which by running a game. Though in some area's where a file is converted or compressed the times are enough that a person with a quick eye can tell but for most of a computers uses today both AMD and Intel cpu's are really fairly close for home systems.
Who knows, maybe by next year or two quantum computers may steal the show and everything will be obsolete before we know it. They are already building them and developed a programming language for the quantum computers but it's too early to tell which area they will take by storm but the universe is that crazy and it's hard to take anything for granted.
But if YOU want CHEAP computers please show some support AMD's way by cpu or video cards because we def. can not afford to loose them.
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