build advice

[norseamd]

so would the 270x at 210 to 230 or a 280x at 310 to 350 be the right value in the next 3 years?

also a very important question is what socket should i run. right now the 8350 is faster but will fm2+ have a faster processor for upgrades before it is replaced?

 

[Cerb]

A 280X at <=$280, but that's not what we have available right now. However, the 270X is still going to be a huge jump from what you have, and your overall budget isn't that big, so IMO, go for that.

 

[norseamd]

also a very important question is what socket should i run. right now the 8350 is faster but will fm2+ have a faster processor for upgrades before it is replaced?

any thoughts?

 

[norseamd]

would a kaveri be any where near the speed of the 8350?

would it be worth getting a fm2+ proccesor for a potential upgrade later? or would a new socket be made before a processor would be as fast as the 8350? also would they possibly release a new fx on the fm2+ socket instead of am3+?

 

[mfenn]

so would the 270x at 210 to 230 or a 280x at 310 to 350 be the right value in the next 3 years?

The 280X at $300 was a good value. You can't get one at that price right now, so it's kind of a moot point.

also a very important question is what socket should i run. right now the 8350 is faster but will fm2+ have a faster processor for upgrades before it is replaced?

FM2+ only has dual-cores and will probably stay that way due to TDP requirements of APUs, so you need to go with AM3+ to get any kind of multithreaded performance. The FX-6300 that was recommended earlier is a good choice. The 8350 makes zero sense because it costs as much as a Core i5 but is slower.

would a kaveri be any where near the speed of the 8350?

Who knows until we see the benches? I seriously doubt that they will be able to double single-threaded performance or pack 4 cores into FM2 with an APU.

would it be worth getting a fm2+ proccesor for a potential upgrade later? or would a new socket be made before a processor would be as fast as the 8350? also would they possibly release a new fx on the fm2+ socket instead of am3+?

There aren't supposed to be any FM2+ Kaveri processors. Beyond that, we're talking about DDR4 which will need a new socket.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There aren't supposed to be any quad-module FM2+ Kaveri processors. Beyond that, we're talking about DDR4 which will need a new socket.

Fixed that for you.

 

[norseamd]

Fixed that for you.

makes more sense now. the quesiton i was asking was i read somewhere whee they would move the pure cpu fx line over to the fm2+

 

[norseamd]

http://wccftech.com/amd-opteron-roa...-excavator-cores-volcanic-islands-gpu-fusion/

a new ddr4 socket for carrizo? thoughts?

 

[norseamd]

Who knows until we see the benches? I seriously doubt that they will be able to double single-threaded performance or pack 4 cores into FM2 with an APU.

so a quad module with a gpu is too big for the fm2+ socket? since ddr4 will force a new socket will amd make sure that it can support a quad module chip so they do not have to make another socket when they want a bigger chip?

 

[mfenn]

makes more sense now. the quesiton i was asking was i read somewhere whee they would move the pure cpu fx line over to the fm2+

They certainly could, but who knows if they will.

so a quad module with a gpu is too big for the fm2+ socket? since ddr4 will force a new socket will amd make sure that it can support a quad module chip so they do not have to make another socket when they want a bigger chip?

Its not really a question of space, but a question of heat. With the current process technology, they cant put four reasonably-clocked modules (thanks Larry!) and an APU on the chip and keep the TDP reasonable.

 

[norseamd]

parts are bought today

motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130679

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130637

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128602

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128627

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131872

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131873

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131851

which one should i buy?

 

[norseamd]

adata or sandisk for ssd
wither one any good?

 

[norseamd]

toshiba ssd?

 

[Cerb]

I'd get one of the GB boards, but that's just me.

If you're looking at ~120GB SSDs, the Ultra Plus looks good right now. The bang/buck is definitely better with the Crucial M500 240GB or Ultra Plus 256GB, though, if your budget can take it. If 225-240GB will suffice, consider getting the larger SSD, and then a new HDD sometime later, to reign in the costs for now.

RAM to get, w/ the promo code.

The FX-6300 and that RAM w/ their respective promo codes are a bit better than current combos I see.

Then, for a video card, IMO, a GTX760 if you want the games, or an R9-270X to save about $40, if you don't.

 

[norseamd]

any difference between 14900 and 15000 ram?
should i worry about the difference between 9-10-9-27 and 10-11-10-30

 

[Cerb]

14900 and 15000 whats? Edit: oh, yeah, the bandwidth. That's a no, so long as it's about 12000 or higher. Lower timings are better, but the difference isn't much. That particular RAM is 2x4GB for about $68, which is pretty good, right now, the timings are decent, and it's plain 1.5V stuff.

 

[norseamd]

ram speed

http://www.newegg.com/Desktop-Memory/SubCategory/ID-147

on the options menu on the left side there are some memory speed filters

 

[lehtv]

CPU FX-6300 $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286
Mobo MSI 970A G43 $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130679
RAM Team Vulcan 2400mhz $63 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313398 (run it at 2133)
GPU Asus GTX760 $240 AR with 2 free games http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121775
Case Thermaltake Armor Reve Gene $50 AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133210
SSD Crucial m500 120gb $87 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BQ4F9ZA/?tag=pcpapi-20

 

[norseamd]

CPU FX-6300 $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286
Mobo MSI 970A G43 $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130679
RAM Team Vulcan 2400mhz $63 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820313398
GPU Asus GTX760 $240 AR with 2 free games http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121775
Case Thermaltake Armor Reve Gene $50 AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133210
SSD Crucial m500 120gb $87 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BQ4F9ZA/?tag=pcpapi-20

was just about to post a question on the brand quality of team. so are they any good?

also if i stick a faster memory in a slot than it can handle than it should just work at the fastest lower rate available right. funny that i did 1866 to 2133 but did not think 2400 would be any cheaper.

so that msi 970a g43 is good enough? would the 2600 hypertransport make any spped advantage or long term value over 2400 hypertransport?

 

[norseamd]

what about adatop memory?

 

[norseamd]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&amp;SID=u00000687

will those timings slow me down at all?

 

[norseamd]

should i buy the oem or retail windows

 

[norseamd]

should i buy aftermarket cpu cooler at all?

 

[norseamd]

difference between 1.5 v and 1.65 v?

 

[lehtv]

First off, please learn to use the edit button. No need to post six posts in a row.

was just about to post a question on the brand quality of team. so are they any good?

RAM is RAM. As long as it has lifetime warranty, I'd buy it

also if i stick a faster memory in a slot than it can handle than it should just work at the fastest lower rate available right.

Yes, it will work fine

funny that i did 1866 to 2133 but did not think 2400 would be any cheaper.

Yeah it's a special deal, and probably out of stock soon.

so that msi 970a g43 is good enough?

Do you really have to ask on every part "is it good enough"? Would I recommend anything that isn't? That would be a bit stupid of me, wouldn't it?

would the 2600 hypertransport make any spped advantage or long term value over 2400 hypertransport?

The difference between them is trivially small, don't worry about it.

what about adatop memory?

What's that? Never heard. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter, go with the Team kit or the G.Skill kit.

will those timings slow me down at all?

No. Timings are pretty irrelevant, even more irrelevant than the RAM's speed itself. Even if you had DDR3-1333 at CL11 you would not notice a difference to using the PC compared to DDR3-2133 at CL9, say. It would show up in benchmarks but it wouldn't have any real world effect on anything you do with the PC. As long as it's DDR3 and there's enough of it, you're fine.

should i buy the oem or retail windows

OEM

should i buy aftermarket cpu cooler at all?

You'll be fine with the stock cooler since you don't overclock. It is not difficult to upgrade the cooler later, if you so wish. But I doubt it will ever come to that unless you overclock.

difference between 1.5 v and 1.65 v?

0.15v. Both are supported, so it doesn't really matter. In theory, the lower the voltage, the better, but using higher voltage RAM almost certainly has no real world effect on anything. It is typical of higher speed RAM to run at a higher voltage, and if you so wish, you can always downclock the RAM in order to be able to run it stably at 1.5V.