[Bug] Nvidia removes restrictions on hybrid NV+ATI Physx setups!!!

[taltamir]

did you just make a WoW analogy?

Or any other RPG for all you know... I was intentionally vague so it would be applicable to any RPG.

anyway, this would allow some talented coders to "Diff" the drivers and re-create a patch that could unlock PhysX in next driver releases.

Talented coders have already created unlocked drivers... its just that every time they did that nvidia introduced new lock mechanisms, such as game specific bugs being intentionally triggered by the drivers if the lock mechanism was removed. Requiring them to recrack every driver release.

Nvidia could just make new DRM methods for its next version if it was so inclined, putting us right back in square one... where people have to crack the drivers which are now using a new form of copy protection.

ugh... DRMed drivers... I feel nauseated.

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

So what I'm wondering is whether people who have the drivers without the restriction will be awesome and host it somewhere...please?

Nvidia has "cracked" their latest drivers for everyone, and yet no one is even setting up a FTP server which magically has the originally released drivers which do not have the restrictions in place.

The easiest solution for the next ~6 months is right in front of everyone. This will work indefinitely, in fact, as long as you retain the driver installation file and do not update the video driver.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Eventually you will have to update the drivers. Hell it wouldn't surprice me if in a few months you go to install a new game and bam it without your consent it installs nVidia's latest drivers as part of the install.

 

[taltamir]

Nvidia has "cracked" their latest drivers for everyone, and yet no one is even setting up a FTP server which magically has the originally released drivers which do not have the restrictions in place.

The easiest solution for the next ~6 months is right in front of everyone. This will work indefinitely, in fact, as long as you retain the driver installation file and do not update the video driver.

nvidia first announced that they will "fix" the drivers... and AFAIK they replaced the download links with versions with the DRM intact.
then they got quite a bit of backlash and put the DRM free drivers back online and promised they will leave those as is because they are "beta"...

people are now speculating if that means that they will release ALL beta (aka, non WHQL) drivers without the DRM.

 

[happy medium]

3 months ago I remember sitting here reading about how physx had no games and took too much of a performance hit ect. ect. ect. ect. . Suddenly everyone with ATI cards cares about physx and if Nvidia blocks it from its COMPETITION?

This thread is ridiculous.
Physx enabled = Nvidia..... not ATI

edit: theres someone in the Mafia 2 thread saying physx sucks right now.
See for yourself..
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2077920&page=2

 

[taltamir]

3 months ago I remember sitting here reading about how physx had no games and took too much of a performance hit ect. ect. ect. ect. . Suddenly everyone with ATI cards cares about physx and if Nvidia blocks it from its COMPETITION?

Are you on drugs? nobody is talking about nvidia blocking physX from running on an ATI card... they are talking about running physX on an NVIDIA card which happens to be in the same SYSTEM as an ATI card...

I am sorry but checking for brand loyalty and disabling features when finding you aren't is not in any way shape or form "blocks it from its competition".

 

[Dark Shroud]

3 months ago I remember sitting here reading about how physx had no games and took too much of a performance hit ect. ect. ect. ect. . Suddenly everyone with ATI cards cares about physx and if Nvidia blocks it from its COMPETITION?

This thread is ridiculous.
Physx enabled = Nvidia..... not ATI

edit: theres someone in the Mafia 2 thread saying physx sucks right now.
See for yourself..
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2077920&page=2

Why is it you and a few others here feel the need to lie about this situation? Whenever it comes it you Nvidia defenders go on about Nvidia owning Physx and some BS about Physx running on ATI cards when people don't say that.

 

[happy medium]

Why is it you and a few others here feel the need to lie about this situation? Whenever it comes it you Nvidia defenders go on about Nvidia owning Physx and some BS about Physx running on ATI cards when people don't say that.

I read the whole thread and thats what I get from it.
People got excited because Nvidia seemed it was going to let ATI use physx and then found out they said it was a driver bug and got disapointed.

I just sick of hearing physx sucks but then watching the same guys get all excited when it was enabled and then bash Nvidia for RE- blocking it.

 

[taltamir]

People got excited because Nvidia seemed it was going to let ATI use physx and then found out they said it was a driver bug and got disapointed.

It does NOT "let" ATI use physX, it lets NVIDIA CUSTOMERS WHO OWN NVIDIA HARDWARE use physX... while having an ATI card in the same system...
Note that even if you have an ATI IGP in the same computer, and your primary GPU work is done on an nvidia card, it will still disable physX

 

[Dark Shroud]

I read the whole thread and thats what I get from it.
People got excited because Nvidia seemed it was going to let ATI use physx and then found out they said it was a driver bug and got disapointed.

I just sick of hearing physx sucks but then watching the same guys get all excited when it was enabled and then bash Nvidia for RE- blocking it.

You're still twisting words lying about the situation.

 

[happy medium]

It does NOT "let" ATI use physX, it lets NVIDIA CUSTOMERS WHO OWN NVIDIA HARDWARE use physX... while having an ATI card in the same system...
Note that even if you have an ATI IGP in the same computer, and your primary GPU work is done on an nvidia card, it will still disable physX

same difference

 

[Dark Shroud]

same difference

That's a load of garbage.

 

[taltamir]

same difference

so, you believe that if I buy a phenom2 x6, place it in this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130269
And then buy a GTX480 to play games with physX as the box advertises (and no, no ATI cards were bought)...

only to find out nvidia would disable physX on my computer to not "give it to ATI" (because there is an ATI IGP in my system)... that it is totally justifiable for them to do so and is... how did bill gates once say... "legitimate business practices" (note: the courts decided that, no it wasn't).\

This is not just morally wrong, it is ILLEGAL for them to do due to several different laws.
1. Its "unfair competition" and it will never stand up on court should ATI sue. (but at the moment they have no reason to since it harms nVidia)
2. It is false advertising on their part, and a class action suit against them will likely happen, and will win.

In addition to those two tidbits, its also immoral, stupid, self destructive, and plain mean.

 

[Dark Shroud]

We can take if a step further, just wait until AMD CPUs start adding ATI GPU cores on die.

 

[happy medium]

so, you believe that if I buy a phenom2 x6, place it in this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130269
And then buy a GTX480 to play games with physX as the box advertises (and no, no ATI cards were bought)...

only to find out nvidia would disable physX on my computer to not "give it to ATI" (because there is an ATI IGP in my system)... that it is totally justifiable for them to do so and is... how did bill gates once say... "legitimate business practices" (note: the courts decided that, no it wasn't).

Honestly, It sounds like there playing hardball.
Softball is for girls.

I think they can disable or enable it any time they want they own it.

Can you just disable the ATI IGP to enable physx?
If not mabe thats there way of saying thanks to intel screwing us in the chipset business now you all get scewed?

Use what you got ,to get what you want.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Honestly, It sounds like there playing hardball.
Softball is for girls.

I think they can disable or enable it any time they want they own it.

If not mabe thats there way of saying thanks to intel screwing us in the chipset business now you all get scewed?

Why would they screw over people using AMD mobos because of Intel?

 

[happy medium]

Why would they screw over people using AMD mobos because of Intel?

Thats a long drawn out story not even close to on topic.

 

[NoQuarter]

I think they can disable or enable it any time they want they own it.

Then you are a terrible consumer and benefit greatly from consumer rights you can't appreciate. You own the card dude. Not them.

 

[Cogman]

Then you are a terrible consumer and benefit greatly from consumer rights you can't appreciate. You own the card dude. Not them.

You own the card, THEY own the drivers.

They can do whatever they want with the drivers. Enable, disable features ect, they are the ones putting the effort into their driver support.

But as I said above, what they are doing is a bad move IMO.

 

[taltamir]

actually they cannot do whatever they want. There is something called "the law" which makes what they are doing illegal.

 

[Cogman]

actually they cannot do whatever they want. There is something called "the law" which makes what they are doing illegal.

... Which law would that be?

 

[Nox51]

same difference

Honestly, It sounds like there playing hardball.
Softball is for girls.

I think they can disable or enable it any time they want they own it.

Can you just disable the ATI IGP to enable physx?
If not mabe thats there way of saying thanks to intel screwing us in the chipset business now you all get scewed?

Use what you got ,to get what you want.

I would like to step in and say that you are a fucking retard.

Have a nice day.

I would like to step in and say you need to refrain from the personal attacks.
Have a nice day.
Admin allisolm

 

[taltamir]

... Which law would that be?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_competition

I would like to step in and say that you are a fucking retard.

Have a nice day.

I am just ignoring him ever since that response... please don't feed the troll.

 

[Cogman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_competition



I am just ignoring him ever since that response... please don't feed the troll.

• Matters pertaining to antitrust law, known in the European Union as competition law. Antitrust violations constituting unfair competition occur when one competitor attempts to force others out of the market (or prevent others from entering the market) through tactics such as predatory pricing or obtaining exclusive purchase rights to raw materials needed to make a competing product.
• Trademark infringement and passing off, which occur when the maker of a product uses a name, logo, or other identifying characteristics to deceive consumers into thinking that they are buying the product of a competitor. In the United States, this form of unfair competition is prohibited under the common law and by state statutes, and governed at the federal level by the Lanham Act.
• Misappropriation of trade secrets, which occurs when one competitor uses espionage, bribery, or outright theft to obtain economically advantageous information in the possession of another. In the United States, this type of activity is forbidden by the Uniform Trade Secrets Act and the Economic Espionage Act of 1996.
• Trade libel, the spreading of false information about the quality or characteristics of a competitor's products, is prohibited at common law.
• Tortious interference, which occurs when one competitor convinces a party having a relationship with another competitor to breach a contract with, or duty to, the other competitor is also prohibited at common law.

These are the different unfair competition categories. Which one exactly is nvidia violating by crippling their products?

 

[badb0y]

I read the whole thread and thats what I get from it.
People got excited because Nvidia seemed it was going to let ATI use physx and then found out they said it was a driver bug and got disapointed.

I just sick of hearing physx sucks but then watching the same guys get all excited when it was enabled and then bash Nvidia for RE- blocking it.

No one thinks PhysX sucks. PhysX's current application in games is laughable can you imagine the possibilities if nVidia actually opened up PhysX? Think BFBC2. Again no one thought it sucked, it has a lot of potential but not if nVidia vendor blocks ATi.