British Lawyer asking for an A** kicking... Says USA is illegal

[Axon]

I'm not certain, but I think the statute of limitations may have run on this case.

 

[GotIssues]

When it comes to rebellions, might makes right. As Blackthorne mentions to his Japanese overlord in Shogun, the overarching reason that legitimates rebelling against your sovereign is when you win (though possibly only for the short term, as shown by Cromwell and his Puritans victory and later demise).

If the Confederate states had won the civil war, their secession would have been de facto legitimate albeit not de jure.

Of course, you can instead go the Canadian route and use reason & logic to convince the imperium to grant your nation independence because it's the right, moral thing to do and will benefit both countries.

That's why I agreed.

History is written by the victors. It's one of those things you have to keep in mind when reading anything history-related. It's more pronounced the further back you go.

 

[IronWing]

slow to the party ...

This. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were well aware that what they were doing was illegal under British law. That is the whole point of a revolution, to throw off the shackles of old tyranny and forge new shackles of your own.

 

[roguerower]

Pretty sure we solidified our ability to be independant when we pulled their asses out of the fire in WWII.

 

[OutHouse]

The Declaration of Independence was “illegal” and “treasonable,”

well no shit sherlock. most of the signers of the Deceleration were hunted down and killed.

 

[crownjules]

Pretty sure we solidified our ability to be independant when we pulled their asses out of the fire in WWII.

Americans...

 

[guyver01]

well no shit sherlock. most of the signers of the Deceleration were hunted down and killed.

dont believe everything you read in P&N

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/pricepaid.asp

 

[DrPizza]

The Declaration of Independence was “illegal” and “treasonable,” according to a team of British lawyers, the BBC reports.

And every middle school kid in the United States knows this. The signers of the Declaration of Independence knew this. And, they knew that if we lost, they would have been hung as traitors.

The British lawyers just figured this out 235 years later?! What a bunch of maroons.

 

[gorcorps]

Don't forget Chicago, Gary, and Detroit -- they can have those too.

Brilliant

Take some of the few things this country still makes... steel and automobiles... and give them away to foreigners

That'll show em

 

[Zedtom]

*edit*
That is the whole point of a revolution, to throw off the shackles of old tyranny and forge new shackles of your own.

These words of wisdom should be read to all of the citizens of Libya.

 

[Theb]

Fox is trolling hard, looks like they hooked a few.

I'll just leave this here for those of you whose panties aren't too twisted this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KW0rRHsLM

 

[Miramonti]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/2...-treason-british-lawyers-say/?test=latestnews

"The grievances listed in the Declaration were too trivial to justify secession," the British lawyers wrote. "The main one -- no taxation without representation -- was no more than a wish on the part of the colonists, to avoid paying for the expense of protecting them against the French during seven years of arduous war and conflict."

Those same threatening French, who if we didn't have their assistance, we'd probably still be British right now...

 

[zinfamous]

well of course it was treason. that's the fucking point.

 

[AMCRambler]

What an inane argument. Of course a Declaration of Independence is illegal under the system of laws they foisted on the colonies. At the very same time, I would say the British empires establishment of colonies in America while maybe legal under their system was morally and ethically reprehensible. So what exactly are they trying to say?

When it comes to things like this, might makes right. That's it and that's all. You can try and throw all the paper you want at the problems you created but when the Revolution went down, we kicked their ass and earned our country. Their laws ceased to apply to the colonies as soon as the Declaration was signed so legal or not, it's irrelevant.

PS: Big shout out to the Frenchies for backing us up. Lobsterbacks can bite the weanie.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Brilliant

Take some of the few things this country still makes... steel and automobiles... and give them away to foreigners

That'll show em

Psssst -- it was a joke!

At any rate, Gary is the asshole of the US and one of the murder capitals of the US, with Detroit generally up there as well. Chicago would probably be OK if we could ship their crooked politicians to Britain.

Maybe while we're at it, they should take South Bend too.


Just kidding.

 

[Fayd]

They can have New York.
Mexico can have Texas.
Give california to the Indians.

BUT THE REST, is OURS!
And we bitch slap anyone who tries to cross.

you realize those are the few countries that do or come close to paying more in federal taxes than receiving federal monies?

without those states, this country is fucked.

 

[Fayd]

And every middle school kid in the United States knows this. The signers of the Declaration of Independence knew this. And, they knew that if we lost, they would have been hung as traitors.

The British lawyers just figured this out 235 years later?! What a bunch of maroons.

that's exactly what i was thinking.

i remember reading (i think it was in dillon "blue press" magazine) stories about what happened to the signers of the declaration of independence. don't know how many got found/imprisoned as traitors, but the bulk of them lost their fortunes and estates during the conflict.

 

[Jaepheth]

Of course it wasn't legal.

but that fact is entirely irrelevant as the issue of American independence was settled out of court.

 

[SunnyD]

And every middle school kid in the United States knows this. The signers of the Declaration of Independence knew this. And, they knew that if we lost, they would have been hung as traitors.

The British lawyers just figured this out 235 years later?! What a bunch of maroons.

:hmm:

I'm not entirely certain the bolded part is true... especially in this day and age.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What an utter non-story. It was a debate.

:thumbsup: Agreed.

 

[gorcorps]

Psssst -- it was a joke!

At any rate, Gary is the asshole of the US and one of the murder capitals of the US, with Detroit generally up there as well. Chicago would probably be OK if we could ship their crooked politicians to Britain.

Maybe while we're at it, they should take South Bend too.


Just kidding.

Oh they're definitely shit holes... no doubt about it. Just shit holes that built this country and left its citizens to rot.

 

[Uhtrinity]

It was a Debate. It is highly unlikely they were doing nothing more than making a Case for Illegitimacy, not actually believing what they were debating.

This, sounds like an academic mental exercise and nothing more.

 

[Soundmanred]

I found out where each of the British lawyers live and when they wouldn't be home.
Each member of my family now has their own house in England (after changing some locks).
British law for the win!

 

[Slew Foot]

Having the most guns means never having to say youre sorry

 

[Eli]

Everyone should take note. This shows why the idea that "the law is the law" is dangerous.

If everyone practiced that, we would still be in the dark ages. Most of the time laws have to be broken to force change.