British have laser guided blocks of concrete

[etech]

One of the ex-military guy on one of the news shows said that the US had already been using concrete-filled bombs to take out planes the Iraqis had moved next to schools and hospitals.

Some people would rather blindly but loudly ignore the fact that Britain and the US are trying every possible way to minimize any damage to unintended targets.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Afro000Dude
So, tungsten is safe enough to use in thousands of light bulbs worldwide, but it becomes bad if we use it in a weapon?

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[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: etech
One of the ex-military guy on one of the news shows said that the US had already been using concrete-filled bombs to take out planes the Iraqis had moved next to schools and hospitals.

Some people would rather blindly but loudly ignore the fact that Britain and the US are trying every possible way to minimize any damage to unintended targets.

It's weird how the people with the fewest facts end up being the loudest...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Besides the fact that DU is not a hazard unless you stick it up your butt for awhile.

That was the argument from the other thread. We haven't gotten into that yet. The argument in this one is simply whether we use it for our bombs.

let me settle that then.

What material is used to HOUSE radioactive sources for testing laboratory's that conduct Radiographic non-destructive testing, such as Cobalt or Iridium?

BTW there are far more metals more dense than steel, although steel is used in equivalenacy factors for that type of testing.

 

[Alistar7]

no takers?

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Morph
Idiots. Why don't they use their old radioative waste (depleted uranium) like we do?

damn Morph just let it go already getting sick of seeing you post the same old crap in every thread.

 

[Alistar7]

just think of him as our very own "Information Minister"

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
just think of him as our very own "Information Minister"

Haha, I like that..

 

[zephyrprime]

no takers?

Lead?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: Morph
Idiots. Why don't they use their old radioative waste (depleted uranium) like we do?

damn Morph just let it go already getting sick of seeing you post the same old crap in every thread.

He's like a bad record with a skip in it. He gets stuck repeating one thing over and over and over again.

For those of you who don't know what a record is....well....it was what music was on before CD's, cassettes, or even 8-tracks.

 

[CaptnKirk]

For those who don't know how the HellFire Missles and the Copperhead Artillary round work on tanks: Armor Piercing
That's the basics. They strike from the top.

What isn't elaborated on is that the copper pellet that generated the plasma injects a stream of superheated 5,000 degree gas into the tank compartment,
which turns the tank 'White Hot' - right now, incinerating the occupants, detonationg the ordanance, and causing the fuel tanks and oil resivours to overflow and ignite.

If the pellet were made from DU and had the kinetic energy that is carried in an 18 foot long 8 inch I.D. / 11+ inch O.D. gunbarrel to drive it,
the injection path of the DU plasma should be able to cut halfway to hell - clearing the path for the fused main warhead following closely behind.

 

[her209]

We should pelt them with our trash.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
For those who don't know how the HellFire Missles and the Copperhead Artillary round work on tanks: Armor Peircing
That's the basics. They strike from the top.

What isn't elaborated on is that the copper pellet that generated the plasma injects a stream of superheated 5,000 degree gas into the tank compartment,
which turns the tank 'White Hot' - right now, incinerating the occupants, detonationg the ordanance, and causing the fuel tanks and oil resivours to overflow and ignite.

If the pellet were made from DU and had the kinetic energy that is carried in an 18 foot long 8 inch I.D. / 11+ inch O.D. gunbarrel to drive it,
the injection path of the DU plasma should be able to cut halfway to hell - clearing the path for the fused main warhead following closely behind.

You are referring to shaped charges, and your definition is incorrect. The explosives are placed around a copper cone and the blast extrudes the copper in a narrow stream.

Also, you imply that you can use DU in place of the copper, and that it would be more effective. This is wrong. You cannot use DU in a shaped charge since DU doesn't extrude the way copper does. DU is brittle and chips like tungsten, the material in a shaped sharge must be malleable like copper or molybdenum.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I suppose your company has made more of these weapons than mine.
Some of my favorite toys

The DoD classified the 'Charge' in the blockbuster, but there appears to be some DU included,
as well as some other material
as the early model was good for up to 10+ feet of concrete, and 50 feet of ground penetration.
Newer models claim 20 feet of reinforced concrete and 'Up to' 200 feet of earth penetration.

 

[mechBgon]

Whatever happened to the concept of bacon-grease bombs? I suppose that would be "fighting dirty," however.

As for the bunker-busters, it's an interesting way to use up surplus howitzer barrels.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I suppose your company has made more of these weapons than mine.

You'd think if someone was involved in making such devices, they'd know how they work.

Since you claim to be "in the know", show me where the formed disc in a shaped charge is made out of DU.


Besides, working for a company that makes a product does not mean that you know about the product. For all we know, you could be the janitor at Raytheon claiming that you know how Patriot missiles work.

 

[Marshallj]

Linky

Copper is used because it is malleable and extrudes nicely. You claimed that you can use DU as the pellet or cone in shaped charge. Depleted uranium is brittle and will not work as the cone in a shaped charge.

Since you claimed that you must know more than me since you work for a company that makes these devices, provide me with some proof that DU can be used in a shaped charge.

I'm challenging you on this.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I suppose your company has made more of these weapons than mine.
Some of my favorite toys

The DoD classified the 'Charge' in the blockbuster, but there appears to be some DU included,
as well as some other material
as the early model was good for up to 10+ feet of concrete, and 50 feet of ground penetration.
Newer models claim 20 feet of reinforced concrete and 'Up to' 200 feet of earth penetration.

???

Neither of those links have ANYTHING to do with what I was asking. I asked you to provide me with proof that depleted uranium can be used as the deformable metal cone in a shaped charge.

Bunker busters do not use shaped charges. They are simply thick, heavy, solid penetrators (such as used gun barrels) that are filled with explosives.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Sorry - not the janitor, not his boss either.
Do you believe everything involved is being disclosed ?

Never said there was a 'formed disc' of DU I said:
"If the pellet were made from DU and had the kinetic energy that is carried in an 18 foot long 8 inch I.D. / 11+ inch O.D. gunbarrel to drive it,
the injection path of the DU plasma should be able to cut halfway to hell"

It is know to melt and ignite under strike velocity, mass density is 1.7 times that of lead, making it heavier, and more compact.
Also used as balance weights on aircraft, and is a known Pyrophoric Metal
(flip through to the section on Uranium)

The combination has the potential to cut and drive placing the charge quite deep - before the main charge detonates.

You jumped the gun and re-posted twice before I made my reply.
My previous post was NOT a reply to what you had said, it was a tutorial for the weaponry.
This is a partial application of a kenetic energy weapon - hybird, not pure KEWE like the Concrete Bomb.

 

[Marshallj]

edited

I really don't feel like arguing dude, it doesn't accomplish anything and just makes me look like a bad guy.

I agree that if we made a bunker buster out of depleted uranium, it would be more effective due to its hardness and density, and therefore it would have more penetrating power.

Since it works off kinetic energy from it falling, it would be even better if it was longer and had a rocket engine that would increase its velocity before it hit the ground. I know we have runway penetrating missiles that do this, but I haven't heard of it on a bunker buster.

Eventually we'll make a weapon to do the job, it's all about engineering. After all, bunkers don't move and will just stay there until we do eventually make a weapon to defeat them.

I once heard a quote referring to the defeat of France's Maginot Line stating that it was defeated so easily because it was large and stationary. Although it seemed impressive, stationary objects can't adapt or react to threats and will just sit there until an enemy finds a way to defeat it, and are therefore sitting ducks. So it has been stated that spending money on military equipment that doesn't move is a waste of money, since it's so easy to take out.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Not trying to argue (but seem to be succeding)
I'm trying to illustrate that there has been a big change in ability to penetrate with a bunker buster type weapon,
which is not rocket motor driven, but dropped and steered to an impact point = Kenetic Energy / Inertia Weapon.

Where they used to be able to go 10 feet into concrete thay can now go 20+ feet of concrete - thats doubled right there.
Instead of terminating penetration at 50 feet they can drive to 200+ feet - thats a four-fold inctease in penetration power.

The weapon's mass is up to 4,700 Lbs. which accounts for some of the penetration ability, but something else is at play here,
200 feet of water is pretty deep, but to drive into 200 feet of rocks and dirt is a stunning accomplishment.
Warhead charge is 470 Lbs., last I knew, and the composition is still classified.

 

[arcitech2]

Originally posted by: Morph
Idiots. Why don't they use their old radioative waste (depleted uranium) like we do?

What does the "depleted" stand for? How radioactive is "depleted" uranium?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: arcitech2

Originally posted by: Morph
Idiots. Why don't they use their old radioative waste (depleted uranium) like we do?

What does the "depleted" stand for? How radioactive is "depleted" uranium?

From conjur's link up above:

Is it (DU) radioactive?

Radiologically, DU emits types of ionising radiation similar to that of natural uranium, but DU is 40% less radioactive than natural uranium, whose specific radioactivity is about 0.67 microCuries/gm.

Although DU emits Alpha and Beta particles and Gamma rays, the 238U isotope - which by weight makes up almost 99.8% of DU - is an alpha emitter. Scientific research indicates most alpha particles are not energetic enough to penetrate skin and are not considered an external health hazard. Internally however, alpha particles can be a hazard if inhaled or ingested in sufficient quantities.

So again, do not stick a DU slug up your posterior for an extended period of time. Do not eat or inhale a DU slug. Do not stick the DU slug up your nose, in your ear, or... well, ahem, anywhere else like that.



Actually, if you read the rest of the page conjur linked to, it does say that some of the DU can remain in the air for a significant length of time (meaning hours, I think) after a firefight, because material from the slugs is obviously going to be vaporized and be breathable. Is it worse than holding a cell phone to your head for the next forty years, that's what I'd like to know

 

[BarneyFife]

Why is everyone even debating this? Who cares if their is uranium being dropped inside of bunkers? Are you guys worried that poor little Saddam might get radioactive material on him? Bunker busting bombs are dropped on "Bunkers".

 

[elzmaddy]

Why is everyone even debating this? Who cares if their is uranium being dropped inside of bunkers? Are you guys worried that poor little Saddam might get radioactive material on him? Bunker busting bombs are dropped on "Bunkers".

Yeah and so no civilians have been hit by bombs either, right?