Brett Favre retires

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: waggy


i mainly go by the fact that he say she is to old for it.

He said that last year, too (and the year before), but he came back and had an awesome season.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MotionMan




He had three good and healthy WRs last year (and a HUGE running game).

MotionMan

MotionMan

You're full of crap.

The running game they had was lucky at best. Their starter, Morency, turned out to be a chump. The backup also sucked. They had a 3rd string runner who hadn't produced much in years, and suddenly he remembers how to run. Their line did a good job for the running game, but it's absurd to suggest that they had a "huge" running game.

So you agree with me that Farve is lucky.

Maybe I am bias since Ryan Grant carried my FF team to the championship game last year.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

I won't miss him one bit. I never liked him and never will. I am glad he retired. I know he will be a first ballot HOF, so, maybe, after all the crap about him dies down after a few weeks, I won't have to hear about him again for five years. It could be the best five years of my life.

You (and about 99% of current NFL players) obviously lack one of the qualities that drew so many to be fond of Brett ...

CLASS !

What about not liking Farve means that I lack class?

MotionMan

The only way you could have less class is if you were a lawyer.

"Why don't you call me some time when you have no class?" - Thornton Melon

MotionMan

 

[meltdown75]

Wow nice to see him go out in fine form. What a gamer!

 

[Homerboy]

So you agree with me that Farve is lucky.

Maybe I am bias since Ryan Grant carried my FF team to the championship game last year.

MotionMan

do you not recall the first quarter of the season when the Packers ran for like 2yrds per game and still won games carried by nothing but Favre's arm?

I still agree that you can not "like" his playing style, but even you admit you don't know him as a person so how can you say you don't like HIM?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

So you agree with me that Farve is lucky.

Maybe I am bias since Ryan Grant carried my FF team to the championship game last year.

MotionMan

do you not recall the first quarter of the season when the Packers ran for like 2yrds per game and still won games carried by nothing but Favre's arm?

I never said he was not good. He has to be to be a starter in college and in the pros. I just do not think that he the football g-d everyone else seems to think he is.

I still agree that you can not "like" his playing style, but even you admit you don't know him as a person so how can you say you don't like HIM?

Because to me, he is only the player on the field, and that is the person I do not like.

I know his dad died, I am pretty sure he is married and I remember hearing something about a drinking problem, but I do not know if he has kids, his favorite color or if he like Mexican food...and I DO NOT CARE.

He is (was) a football player and that is all he is to me, just like all the other football players, even the ones who play for my favorite team. To me they are all who they are on the field and THAT IS IT.

MotionMan

 

[Capt Caveman]

Favre is having a news conference right now.

There is no crying in Football!!!!!!

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Favre is having a news conference right now.

There is no crying in Football!!!!!!

Yeah he's almost lost it a few times....

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Favre is having a news conference right now.

There is no crying in Football!!!!!!

Yeah he's almost lost it a few times....

so did I

 

[kalster]

good player but the media over hyped him a lot I think

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: kalster
good player but the media over hyped him a lot I think

:thumbsup:

MotionMan

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: kalster
good player but the media over hyped him a lot I think

:thumbsup:

MotionMan

You've stated you don't pay attention to the media on players, so how would you know?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: kalster
good player but the media over hyped him a lot I think

:thumbsup:

MotionMan

You've stated you don't pay attention to the media on players, so how would you know?

What I said was:

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I do not listen to interviews with athletes or read about their childhood, etc.

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I know his dad died, I am pretty sure he is married and I remember hearing something about a drinking problem, but I do not know if he has kids, his favorite color or if he like Mexican food...and I DO NOT CARE.

I see all the teasers for the Favre-lovefest-feel-good stories on the pre-game shows (I that is when I change to the other pre-game show) and I can hear all the man-crush statements made by the drooling in-game commentators when I watch Packers games.

It is almost impossible to be an NFL fan and not see the media tripping over themselves to try to show that they love Favre more than the next guy. I have learned what I do know about Favre and how the media treats him almost by osmosis.

MotionMan

 

[Finalnight]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Favre is having a news conference right now.

There is no crying in Football!!!!!!

Rule 1.5 of football: Can't call a guy out for crying if he can break you in half.

 

[aplefka]

Missed the conference. Did he cry like he did last year after the Bears game?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: kalster
good player but the media over hyped him a lot I think

:thumbsup:

MotionMan

You've stated you don't pay attention to the media on players, so how would you know?

What I said was:

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I do not listen to interviews with athletes or read about their childhood, etc.

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I know his dad died, I am pretty sure he is married and I remember hearing something about a drinking problem, but I do not know if he has kids, his favorite color or if he like Mexican food...and I DO NOT CARE.

I see all the teasers for the Favre-lovefest-feel-good stories on the pre-game shows (I that is when I change to the other pre-game show) and I can hear all the man-crush statements made by the drooling in-game commentators when I watch Packers games.

It is almost impossible to be an NFL fan and not see the media tripping over themselves to try to show that they love Favre more than the next guy. I have learned what I do know about Favre and how the media treats him almost by osmosis.

MotionMan

THANK YOU!!! Someone else agrees with me.

MotionMan

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Reasons I like Brett :

1.) In an era where I have little respect for most pro athletes ... ie. those like Moss, T.O., Kobe, Bonds, ad nauseum, Brett was a throwback to the era when I did respect a lot of pro athletes ... like Unitas, Starr, Havlicek, Aaron, etc. And yes, I am well aware he had a short period of substance abuse ... it was with painkillers he took to deal with injury and he got hooked on them. Happens to a lot of people, esp. as they are so over-prescribed, so I don't fault him. Plus he came clean and didn't try to hide it.

2.) Guts. 253 straight starts, 275 incl. the playoffs. Many say this eclipses even Ripken's "Iron Man" mark, and I agree. Cal didn't have 300-lbers. chasing him with "bad intentions".

3.) That Monday night game the day after his dad died. One of his best games ever, 400 yds. passing. What a tribute to the man who first shaped his game, it teared me up.

4.) His enthusiasm for the game. Even in his last year he played and reacted like still a kid at heart. He had fun at the game, and that's really what it should be about, IMHO. Otherwise, why call it a "game".

5.) He played for 'da Pack, my only team since I was a youngster. And I don't even live in Wisconsin.

I don't think I could ever argue he was the absolute best, or any of the other hype you hear, but most important to me, he's always been someone I could respect.

 

[*kjm]

"3.) That Monday night game the day after his dad died. One of his best games ever, 400 yds. passing. What a tribute to the man who first shaped his game, it teared me up.
"

Almost anyone who has a close relationship with his or her father teared up watching that game. That is the only game in my life that I have seen that I had tears in my eyes... football and crying don't go together but that night it did!

And he also bow hunts

 

[RightIsWrong]

I was going to interrupt this Favre-fest with some much needed hating but I don't think that I could even come close to royally ripping Favre the way that Sal Paolantonio does it:

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

I actually thought for a brief moment that the only reason Favre didn't retire last year was pure selfishness. That he wanted more than anything to break the career touchdown and yardage records. What was I thinking? I'm sure that it was just another case of a "warrior" wanting to fight till the death. Kinda funny though that the team this year is the same but a little more experienced and he hangs 'em up. Guess no more records were within reach.