Breaking: Shooting at CT elementary school

[sigurros81]

Why can't these crazy mother fuckers ever go shoot up a place full of shitty people as oppose to innocent ones? If I go crazy and want to go on a mass shooting rampage, I'd go into a sex trafficking den and shoot all those assholes who peddle sex slaves.

 

[orenero]

Of course some won't agree ( I do).

"What happens when the officer flips out and does it?"

Anyone can flip, but an officer sworn to protect less likely. But "emotion" can drive anyone crazy to do something insane. Emotion caused from rejection of love or divorce are very underrated on what it can make a person do, we see it every day in the news, it's quite sad.

 

[Tweak155]

Why can't these crazy mother fuckers ever go shoot up a place full of shitty people as oppose to innocent ones? If I go crazy and want to go on a mass shooting rampage, I'd go into a sex trafficking den and shoot all those assholes who peddle sex slaves.

Because they're more likely to fight back? A coward is a coward.

 

[TecHNooB]

Because they're more likely to fight back? A coward is a coward.

yea but he does off himself, so it wouldn't have mattered if they fight back.

 

[highland145]

Anyone can flip, but an officer sworn to protect less likely. But "emotion" can drive anyone crazy to do something insane. Emotion caused from rejection of love or divorce are very underrated on what it can make a person do, we see it every day in the news, it's quite sad.

And who has one of the highest divorce rates......police.

Still agree with you though.

 

[CVSiN]

I am for armed off-duty law enforcement / whatever, at all times in schools. Some may not agree but this is the answer. Fight fire with fire...

Here in Houston we actually have School District Police for all areas.
they are armed and they are on all the school sites and they are real police with the same power as HPD.
Not to mention our schools are locked down like prisons and even look like prisons..most have no windows at all.

Severe deterrent for bad guys down here.

 

[CVSiN]

Of course some won't agree ( I do).

"What happens when the officer flips out and does it?"

Big difference is Cops and Military are far more screened for mental health issues and PTSD.

 

[jalaram]

I am for armed off-duty law enforcement / whatever, at all times in schools. Some may not agree but this is the answer. Fight fire with fire...

And unfortunately, it'll only come out of the already strained school budgets.

 

[Geosurface]

I oppose security at every school, not because I think they'll flip out... but because I don't think it will be that effective.

- There are some schools around this country that are in nice communities and quite simply don't need security. Sandy Hook is one of them, frankly. There's something called a freak occurrence and you don't change anything as a reaction to them.

- It would be incredibly expensive for school districts everywhere to employ 1 security guard per every single elementary school across the entire nation, and surely we can't neglect to put one at every middle school and high school and preschool and daycare too? $$$$$$$$$

- Feeds into already irrational fears of parents (peanut allergies, etc) by giving credence to it.

- Changes the atmosphere of the schools, makes the kids afraid.

- Wouldn't be all that effective, any shooter would just take the guard into account and kill him first or kill a classroom worth of kids in another wing before the guard can get there.

- Continues us toward a general "police state" feeling everywhere.

All in all, just not worth it.

 

[CVSiN]

I oppose security at every school, not because I think they'll flip out... but because I don't think it will be that effective.

- There are some schools around this country that are in nice communities and quite simply don't need security. Sandy Hook is one of them, frankly. There's something called a freak occurrence and you don't change anything as a reaction to them.

- It would be incredibly expensive for school districts everywhere to employ 1 security guard per every single elementary school across the entire nation, and surely we can't neglect to put one at every middle school and high school and preschool and daycare too? $$$$$$$$$

- Feeds into already irrational fears of parents (peanut allergies, etc) by giving credence to it.

- Changes the atmosphere of the schools, makes the kids afraid.

- Wouldn't be all that effective, any shooter would just take the guard into account and kill him first or kill a classroom worth of kids in another wing before the guard can get there.

- Continues us toward a general "police state" feeling everywhere.

All in all, just not worth it.

Works here in Houston very well.
And it comes out of CITY POLICE budget not the schools.

We have Houston ISD Police as well as ISD Police for ALL the major districts.
That includes cars for traffic enforcement around schools as well as on premise police presence.

 

[Geosurface]

Works here in Houston very well.
And it comes out of CITY POLICE budget not the schools.

We have Houston ISD Police as well as ISD Police for ALL the major districts.
That includes cars for traffic enforcement around schools as well as on premise police presence.

Yay! Let's make our kids grow up feeling like they're in a prison!

 

[preCRT]

If Nancy Lanza hadn't been a nutcase survivalist armed to the teeth, this may well not have happened.


Schools should be schools, not prisons.

 

[Geosurface]

Frankly I just won't feel secure enough with 1 or 2 guards per school... I want an armed police officer in full uniform to be escorting and holding the hand of every child at all times. Walk them to and from school.

I'd also like a government agent there to wipe my ass and tuck me in at night.

Nothing short of this will truly give me peace of mind. There are bad men out there.

Scratch that, two police officers per child in case one of them loses it I want the other there to take him out.

Hold me government, hold me tighter... the world is ever so frightening!

 

[OverVolt]

If Nancy Lanza hadn't been a nutcase survivalist armed to the teeth, this may well not have happened.


Schools should be schools, not prisons.

She was getting $325k/yr as a school nurse or something, lol.

From the divorce with her husband, some kind of GE executive member.

She lived in a $1.6million dollar house.

The kid adam lanza or whatever, really had to carve out his own life. Thats hard to do when your parents have that much money and you have aspergers. So he was highly dependent on them, and his mom was a nutjob apparently.

His older brother was like "$%^& this shit" and moved away if you hadn't noticed.

 

[Tweak155]

Is Geosurface Neckbeard in disguise? Nearly 3k posts in ~ 9 mos. Trying to shave a fraction of the post count off the main name?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Is Geosurface Neckbeard in disguise? Nearly 3k posts in ~ 9 mos. Trying to shave a fraction of the post count off the main name?

Neckbeard wasn't scared of brown people.

 

[SandEagle]

She was getting $325k/yr as a school nurse or something, lol.

From the divorce with her husband, some kind of GE executive member.

She lived in a $1.6million dollar house.

The kid adam lanza or whatever, really had to carve out his own life. Thats hard to do when your parents have that much money and you have aspergers. So he was highly dependent on them, and his mom was a nutjob apparently.
His older brother was like "$%^& this shit" and moved away if you hadn't noticed.

i read somewhere that her ex-husband gave her the house after the divorce. and paid $300,000+ every year to provide for her and the kids. dude was clocking $1mil year salary. i'm sure her school nurse salary was very low

 

[preCRT]

She was NOT a school nurse. She did NOT work outside of her home.

 

[Geosurface]

Is Geosurface Neckbeard in disguise? Nearly 3k posts in ~ 9 mos. Trying to shave a fraction of the post count off the main name?

Unfamiliar with that person. Of course, I've heard the term "neckbeard" as a general category of a certain type of guy. Sounds like you're using it to refer to a specific person.

I don't have a neckbeard, FYI.

Let's stay on topic.

 

[OverVolt]

She was NOT a school nurse. She did NOT work outside of her home.

Yea never leaving the house, free $325k, sounds healthy.

 

[preCRT]

Yea never leaving the house, free $325k, sounds healthy.

That may be why she became a nutjob survivalist & filled her home with guns & ammo. She was also a regular at the local bar...

 

[Tweak155]

Unfamiliar with that person. Of course, I've heard the term "neckbeard" as a general category of a certain type of guy. Sounds like you're using it to refer to a specific person.

I don't have a neckbeard, FYI.

Let's stay on topic.

He's a guy that has a lot of posts in a short amount of time (although your post count is infinitesimal compared to his first year) and had to reply to nearly everything and harped on certain aspects.

Only with Hal (aka "Neckbeard") I generally didn't have any issues with his replies, he just had a lot of negativity surrounding him before he hit the post button. I may have missed what made him infamous, but I can see how you're getting started.

Do I think your points are valid? Some, and they are generally structured OK. However you're building your personal infamy and I can see how in this case.

 

[bignateyk]

I oppose security at every school, not because I think they'll flip out... but because I don't think it will be that effective.

- There are some schools around this country that are in nice communities and quite simply don't need security. Sandy Hook is one of them, frankly. There's something called a freak occurrence and you don't change anything as a reaction to them.

- It would be incredibly expensive for school districts everywhere to employ 1 security guard per every single elementary school across the entire nation, and surely we can't neglect to put one at every middle school and high school and preschool and daycare too? $$$$$$$$$

- Feeds into already irrational fears of parents (peanut allergies, etc) by giving credence to it.

- Changes the atmosphere of the schools, makes the kids afraid.

- Wouldn't be all that effective, any shooter would just take the guard into account and kill him first or kill a classroom worth of kids in another wing before the guard can get there.

- Continues us toward a general "police state" feeling everywhere.

All in all, just not worth it.

We had two full time cops at my highschool. It was one of the best schools in the state, and in a really upscale suburban area. Didn't feel at all like a police state. I wouldn't put any faith in them to actually do anything in a situation like this though. They seemed pretty useless all in all.

 

[Geosurface]

We had two full time cops at my highschool. It was one of the best schools in the state, and in a really upscale suburban area. Didn't feel at all like a police state. I wouldn't put any faith in them to actually do anything in a situation like this though. They seemed pretty useless all in all.

At no time did any of my schools from elementary to high school have any sort of security measures whatsoever. None were ever needed.

This is the case for many, many schools around the nation. I'll grant that there are plenty of inner-city schools where such measures, and more... like metal detectors, regular drug sweeps, etc... are probably necessary.

Because those schools are attempting, half-heartedly, to teach the unteachable. Kids who have already given over their lives to thuggery and criminal behavior and who view knowledge and scholastic achievement as contemptible.

But for people to suggest that we need security measures across the nation at all schools, including the ones that really, honestly don't need any such thing? Because of some one in a billion thing like Sandy Hook?

It goes to show just how reactionary, fearful, irrational, emotional, and disconnected from reality a lot of people are. How utterly unable they are to factor in statistics and probabilities into their worldview.

 

[classy]

Yay! Let's make our kids grow up feeling like they're in a prison!

If it keeps them alive and safe, what is the problem?