Breaking: SCOTUS strikes down Texas abortion restriction

[Eli]

A newborn can't live on its own. Anything that requires assistance to live doesn't deserve to be protected?

You know what I meant, don't be dense. A human is not viable outside of the womb until about 24 weeks with current medical technology. But in fairness, I'll admit that isn't a good argument, but not for the reasons you think. Obviously that number has been falling as technology advances.

Eventually, we will be able to keep a human egg/embryo/fetus alive from any point in the development process completely independent of the human body.

That isn't exactly going to bolster the pro-life position though.... Humans would do away with pregnancy all together at that point, bringing the control of our reproductive fate full circle as it were. The religious concepts of sex, conception and pregnancy would be as worthless as they could possibly be by that point.

I call that advancement of the human race, I'd venture to guess you will call it shameful. You wonder why people of your thinking are a shrinking minority?

Hopefully by then they'll be teaching Christian Mythology in schools.

 

[buckshot24]

You know what I meant, don't be dense. A human is not viable outside of the womb until about 24 weeks with current medical technology. But in fairness, I'll admit that isn't a good argument, but not for the reasons you think. Obviously that number has been falling as technology advances.

Progress, you're retracting it from the record then? It really is a poor argument no matter what way you look at it.

Hopefully by then they'll be teaching Christian Mythology in schools.

They teach atheistic mythology now.

I won't comment on the rest of your science fiction.

 

[Eli]

Progress, you're retracting it from the record then? It really is a poor argument no matter what way you look at it.
They teach atheistic mythology now.

I won't comment on the rest of your science fiction.

We're living science fiction buddy, lol. It's only "science fiction".. Until it's not. You honestly believe it won't happen? One hundred years ago, a fetus being viable outside of the womb at 24 weeks would have been "science fiction". Can you acknowledge that? Unfortunate that we can't bet on what it will be in 100 years. I'd bet we will have control over it by then, but 14 weeks would probably be more realistic.

All of that atheistic mythology is how you and I are communicating right now. It's tangible, repeatable, verifiable, scientific... aka, reality.

They'll never stop teaching reality. Religion, however, is already on it's way out - precisely because of viewpoints like yours. You can't adapt fast enough.

Edit: And yes, I acknowledge it's not a good argument, but again not for the reasons you think.

 

[buckshot24]

We're living science fiction buddy, lol. It's only "science fiction".. Until it's not. You honestly believe it won't happen? One hundred years ago, a fetus being viable outside of the womb at 24 weeks would have been "science fiction". Can you acknowledge that?

Listen pal, :sneaky: not relevant to any of your predictions in this thread. Star Trek isn't a documentary of our future. I honestly don't care if it happens and it doesn't matter if it did. Nothing would change about what people are.

All of that atheistic mythology is how you and I are communicating right now. It's tangible, repeatable, verifiable, scientific... aka, reality.

That is simply ridiculous. The atheistic mythology I'm referring to is stuff that isn't repeatable and not testable and can never be verified. Seeing how electrons flow across a wire is completely neutral as far as atheism is concerned. You think atheism is science!? Ridiculous.

They'll never stop teaching reality. Religion, however, is already on it's way out - precisely because of viewpoints like yours. You can't adapt fast enough.

Reality is that designed looking things were actually designed, hydrogen doesn't eventually turn into Anandtech.com on its own if you add enough time, universes don't pop into existence for no reason, and your brain was intelligently designed. That is reality and people who believe otherwise PROVES that there is a spiritual realm because no intelligent person would believe such nonsense if it was all about brain power. Barbarians like you will be gone long before people like me.

 

[Eli]

Good stuff!!! I guess we can uh, agree to disagree, or something.

 

[buckshot24]

Good stuff!!! I guess we can uh, agree to disagree, or something.

Thanks for the chat. I enjoyed it.

 

[jackstar7]

Reality is that designed looking things were actually designed, hydrogen doesn't eventually turn into Anandtech.com on its own if you add enough time, universes don't pop into existence for no reason, and your brain was intelligently designed. That is reality and people who believe otherwise PROVES that there is a spiritual realm because no intelligent person would believe such nonsense if it was all about brain power. Barbarians like you will be gone long before people like me.

This is a beautiful display of arrogance.

 

[buckshot24]

This is a beautiful display of arrogance.

Don't go full Bryce, never go full Bryce.

 

[agent00f]

It is not at all surprising that every abortion discussion devolves into a predictable back and forth.. or should we not care about what the case was about?

These aren't really "discussions" as much as opportunities to evangelize. It's literally what religion is for and evidently good at. Using logic is frankly beside the point going against faith, which as a mental form of tard strength has been an evolutionary advantage for most all of human history.

 

[sandorski]

This is a beautiful display of arrogance.

That's an aspect of it for sure. Certainly quite the Assertionfest.

 

[Eli]

As far as I'm concerned, this issue is already done and over with, much like LGBT equality. Not to say the fight is over, it's not...I still contribute to the Human Rights Campagn. It probably never will be 100% over, namely because of people like buckshot, who put beliefs over basic human rights for no reason other than "But god!". Fortunately, equality is by and large the law of the land now, as it should be. Likewise, women have a basic need and right to have access to these tools, and thus they shall have them.

It's fortunate that a woman's right to control her reproductive fate doesn't trump a belief that it is shameful - as if something being shameful means there should be laws against it, but whatever. I just happen to believe that it isn't shameful. It may seem that there are "sides" here, but it's just an illusion. There's only right and wrong. History will show which side buckshot et al are on. Similar to civil rights; society would look upon a segregationist like they have a mental illness now. I hope it's similar for abortion in some time.

I believe one should feel great shame for even thinking that women should feel great shame for being proactive and taking control of their lives. To believe that the woman taking a pregnancy test going, "This can't be happening to me... I can't do this yet.. I'm not ready for this yet.. I can't afford this yet.. Not with him...", or a couple who agrees that it would be best to wait due to financial constraints... should have no options, by law. That's what I call irresponsible. And that's not even to speak of situations like rape, incest, deformity/disability, danger...

No, I'm glad we don't actually live in that world anymore. The people who want this procedure should be able to have it done, period.

In another decade or so when the religious folks have finally accepted it(?) like they have finally accepted other forms of self preservation and control, the next thing they'll rage against is human euthanasia(doctor assisted suicide). But but but suicide is wrong! Murder is murder!

Just watch... It just hasn't captured enough traction to capture a lot of attention yet, but I predict it will in the not so distant future.

 

[jackstar7]

Don't go full Bryce, never go full Bryce.

I can only assume you're muttering that to yourself, since I don't get the reference you're trying to make other than it seems insulting.

You posted a lot of things with certainty for which there is very little. You might consider a philosophy that's a little more comfortable with degrees of uncertainty.

 

[nakedfrog]

Why should meat machines have dominion over their bodies? Where does that come from?

Well...

Why don't you try to explain why human beings shouldn't have dominion over their bodies? Where does that come from?

I don't believe this so I have no reason to try and explain it.

Wait, what?

They teach atheistic mythology now.

Where can I take a course in this? Curious how one goes about teaching the mythology of something what ain't got no deities in it :hmm:

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Reality is that designed looking things were actually designed,

And of course that's total bullshit, because you have no idea what an "undesigned" thing would look like.

hydrogen doesn't eventually turn into Anandtech.com on its own if you add enough time,

Straw man betraying your abject ignorance.

universes don't pop into existence for no reason,

Why not? What's stopping them? Your say-so?

Of course, that's beside the fact that contemporary cosmology doesn't propose any such thing, so you've erected another straw man.

and your brain was intelligently designed.

How would you know? If it weren't designed, what would it look like?

That is reality and people who believe otherwise PROVES that there is a spiritual realm because no intelligent person would believe such nonsense if it was all about brain power. Barbarians like you will be gone long before people like me.

The only thing you've proven is that you're just another Christian with constipation of the mind and diarrhea of the mouth.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I can only assume you're muttering that to yourself, since I don't get the reference you're trying to make other than it seems insulting.

You posted a lot of things with certainty for which there is very little. You might consider a philosophy that's a little more comfortable with degrees of uncertainty.

"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." - Charles Bukowski

 

[zinfamous]

Reality is that designed looking things were actually designed, hydrogen doesn't eventually turn into Anandtech.com on its own if you add enough time, universes don't pop into existence for no reason, and your brain was intelligently designed. That is reality and people who believe otherwise PROVES that there is a spiritual realm because no intelligent person would believe such nonsense if it was all about brain power. Barbarians like you will be gone long before people like me.

paintchips also don't eat themselves. They need help.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Well...

Wait, what?

Where can I take a course in this? Curious how one goes about teaching the mythology of something what ain't got no deities in it :hmm:

Not only does atheism not feature any deities, it makes no affirmations about anything. Mythology proposes to describe the way things are. Atheism only describes the way things are not.

 

[buckshot24]

I can only assume you're muttering that to yourself, since I don't get the reference you're trying to make other than it seems insulting.

You posted a lot of things with certainty for which there is very little. You might consider a philosophy that's a little more comfortable with degrees of uncertainty.

Strange that you didn't say anything about Eli's assertions isn't it? :sneaky:

 

[buckshot24]

Well...

Wait, what?

Asking a question within the framework of a person's worldview shouldn't be that confusing. I made no statements of what I think on that subject, Bryce put words in my mouth.

Where can I take a course in this? Curious how one goes about teaching the mythology of something what ain't got no deities in it :hmm:

You can't seriously think myths only involve deities, can you?

 

[buckshot24]

paintchips also don't eat themselves. They need help.

In atheist land, they do.

 

[zinfamous]

In atheist land, they do.

Which means there are no more paintchips available for atheists to consume, you are saying.

I guess you have proven my point there, buckshat.

 

[zinfamous]

You can't seriously think myths only involve deities, can you?

True. Myths also tend to have monsters, ghosts, woodland sub-deities and half-human deities and all sorts of other fantasy creatures that tend to remain within the same pile of things that atheists generally do not think exist.

Because mythology.

 

[buckshot24]

Which means there are no more paintchips available for atheists to consume, you are saying.

I guess you have proven my point there, buckshat.

In atheist land you don't need eaters for things to be eaten. You don't need designers for there to be designed things. Things just happen magically on their own. In atheist land your post just spontaneously created itself.

 

[jackstar7]

Strange that you didn't say anything about Eli's assertions isn't it? :sneaky:

I have that guy on ignore.

 

[zinfamous]

In atheist land you don't need eaters for things to be eaten. You don't need designers for there to be designed things. Things just happen magically on their own. In atheist land your post just spontaneously created itself.

This is the type of logic that results from excessive paintchip consumption. You should visit the other land sometime and improve your diet.