Breaking News: United States attacks AQ in Syria.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...mi_ea/ml_syria_us_raid

DAMASCUS, Syria ? U.S. military helicopters launched an extremely rare attack Sunday on Syrian territory close to the border with Iraq, killing eight people in a strike the government in Damascus condemned as "serious aggression."

A U.S. military official said the raid by special forces targeted the network of al-Qaida-linked foreign fighters moving through Syria into Iraq. The Americans have been unable to shut the network down in the area because Syria was out of the military's reach.

"We are taking matters into our own hands," the official told The Associated Press in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of cross-border raids.


The attack came just days after the commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq said American troops were redoubling efforts to secure the Syrian border, which he called an "uncontrolled" gateway for fighters entering Iraq.

A Syrian government statement said the helicopters attacked the Sukkariyeh Farm near the town of Abu Kamal, five miles inside the Syrian border. Four helicopters attacked a civilian building under construction shortly before sundown and fired on workers inside, the statement said.

The government said civilians were among the dead, including four children.

A resident of the nearby village of Hwijeh said some of the helicopters landed and troops exited the aircraft and fired on a building. He said the aircraft flew along the Euphrates River into the area of farms and several brick factories. The witness spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information,

Syria's Foreign Ministry said it summoned the charges d'affaires of the United States and Iraq to protest against the strike.

"Syria condemns this aggression and holds the American forces responsible for this aggression and all its repercussions. Syria also calls on the Iraqi government to shoulder its responsibilities and launch and immediate investigation into this serious violation and prevent the use of Iraqi territory for aggression against Syria," the government statement said.

The area targeted is near the Iraqi border city of Qaim, which had been a major crossing point for fighters, weapons and money coming into Iraq to fuel the Sunni insurgency.

Iraqi travelers making their way home across the border reported hearing many explosions, said Farhan al-Mahalawi, mayor of Qaim.

On Thursday, U.S. Maj. Gen. John Kelly said Iraq's western borders with Saudi Arabia and Jordan were fairly tight as a result of good policing by security forces in those countries but that Syria was a "different story."

"The Syrian side is, I guess, uncontrolled by their side," Kelly said. "We still have a certain level of foreign fighter movement."

He added that the U.S. was helping construct a sand berm and ditches along the border.

"There hasn't been much, in the way of a physical barrier, along that border for years," Kelly said.

The foreign fighters network sends militants from North Africa and elsewhere in the Middle East to Syria, where elements of the Syrian military are in league with al-Qaida and loyalists of Saddam Hussein's Baath party, the U.S. military official said.

He said that while American forces have had considerable success, with Iraqi help, in shutting down the "rat lines" in Iraq, and with foreign government help in North Africa, the Syrian node has been out of reach.

"The one piece of the puzzle we have not been showing success on is the nexus in Syria," the official said.

The White House in August approved similar special forces raids from Afghanistan across the border of Pakistan to target al-Qaida and Taliban operatives. At least one has been carried out.

The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq has been cut to an estimated 20 a month, a senior U.S. military intelligence official told the Associated Press in July. That's a 50 percent decline from six months ago, and just a fifth of the estimated 100 foreign fighters who were infiltrating Iraq a year ago, according to the official.

Ninety percent of the foreign fighters enter through Syria, according to U.S. intelligence. Foreigners are some of the most deadly fighters in Iraq, trained in bomb-making and with small-arms expertise and more likely to be willing suicide bombers than Iraqis.

Foreign fighters toting cash have been al-Qaida in Iraq's chief source of income. They contributed more than 70 percent of operating budgets in one sector in Iraq, according to documents captured in September 2007 on the Syrian border. Most of the fighters were conveyed through professional smuggling networks, according to the report.

Iraqi insurgents seized Qaim in April 2005, forcing U.S. Marines to recapture the town the following month in heavy fighting. The area became secure only after Sunni tribes in Anbar turned against al-Qaida in late 2006 and joined forces with the Americans.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem accused the United States earlier this year of not giving his country the equipment needed to prevent foreign fighters from crossing into Iraq. He said Washington feared Syria could use such equipment against Israel.

Though Syria has long been viewed by the U.S. as a destabilizing country in the Middle East, in recent months, Damascus has been trying to change its image and end years of global seclusion.

Its president, Bashar Assad, has pursued indirect peace talks with Israel, mediated by Turkey, and says he wants direct talks next year. Syria also has agreed to establish diplomatic ties with Lebanon, a country it used to dominate both politically and militarily, and has worked harder at stemming the flow of militants into Iraq.

The U.S. military in Baghdad did not immediately respond to a request for comment after Sunday's raid.



In the Olden Days, pre-Bush this was considered an act of war. I wonder what the fallout of this will be.
No matter what, is this Bushes October Surprise?

 

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Lifer
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No, they didn't attack Syria the country, merely the scum AQ on the border.
 

DaveSimmons

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No matter what, is this Bushes October Surprise?

If so, I don't think it's an effective one.

Isn't Obama in favor of this kind of action? And if McCain tries to gain from this it just ties him tighter to Bush.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Is this the Ocober surprise?

Is this the excuse that there won;t be an election or Bush gets to stay in power?

no, that's retarded.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Is this the Ocober surprise?

Is this the excuse that there won;t be an election or Bush gets to stay in power?

no, that's retarded.

Expect no less.
 

gevorg

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Who cares about territorial integrity of other countries (as long as Russia is not doing it)? LOL!

Everything is allowed in the name of fighting against terrorists.
 

Jhhnn

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Nah. It's just an exercise in a scorched earth policy by repubs- they'll burn every bridge and poison every water hole possible on their way out...

Gotta love the usual anonymous sourcing, too...

Hell, they may yet attack the Iranians, just to turn the election, or to leave Obama with a seething hornets' nest in his lap...

Let's try to remember, class, that they have no shame, no sense of decency whatsoever... and that they're most dangerous when cornered...
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I don't think this will escalate, at least not based on what I read here.

Well, what would Syria do anyway? It's not like they've even got a military.
 

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I don't think this will escalate, at least not based on what I read here.

Well, what would Syria do anyway? It's not like they've even got a military.
Bitch to Iran tell it to cut its production of oil. Ok, that was funny (Iran will do nothing of the sort right now).

CNN thinks this is so inconsequential it's not even headline and on CNN right now they're talking about the election again.

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I don't think this will escalate, at least not based on what I read here.

Well, what would Syria do anyway? It's not like they've even got a military.
Bitch to Iran tell it to cut its production of oil. Ok, that was funny (Iran will do nothing of the sort right now).

CNN thinks this is so inconsequential it's not even headline and on CNN right now they're talking about the election again.
Liburel biased press!

 

palehorse

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"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will" - Barrack Obama

I fully agree with that statement; and, the same should hold true for ANY country that harbors and/or facilitates Al Qaeda terrorists. Period.

The truth is that Syria does next to nothing to stop the fighters, money, and weapons from passing through their territory into Iraq.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Is this the Ocober surprise?

Is this the excuse that there won't be an election or Bush gets to stay in power?
:confused: You're an idiot. Seriously.

 

brencat

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I couldn't give two sh*ts about al-Qaeda scum, nor Syria either. So, a few of the terrorists' family members died in the attack. Fvck em, collateral damage -- be a good lesson for the others.

Since the American people are apparently tiring of an 'in your face' war on terror, you're going to be seeing a lot more of this under the radar kind of stuff, regardless of who wins the election. Because pacifism and hope isn't going to make this terror threat go away.
 

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Originally posted by: brencat
I couldn't give two sh*ts about al-Qaeda scum, nor Syria either. So, a few of the terrorists' family members died in the attack. Fvck em, collateral damage -- be a good lesson for the others.

Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?

 

brencat

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?
Typical apologist, moral relativist answer. Which society lives in harmony, democracy, and justice, and which lives under perpetual war, fear, oppression, and despair? If you can't see the difference, nor the fact that the U.S. is on the side of righteousness, there is no hope for people like you.
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?
Typical apologist, moral relativist answer. Which society lives in harmony, democracy, and justice, and which lives under perpetual war, fear, oppression, and despair? If you can't see the difference, nor the fact that the U.S. is on the side of righteousness, there is no hope for people like you.

Quite the contrary. Sinking to the level of the terrorists makes you a terrorist, too, no matter the justification...
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?
Typical apologist, moral relativist answer. Which society lives in harmony, democracy, and justice, and which lives under perpetual war, fear, oppression, and despair? If you can't see the difference, nor the fact that the U.S. is on the side of righteousness, there is no hope for people like you.

how is that moral relativism? Do you know what the words you use even mean?

He just apllied the exact same moral standard that you applied somewhere else.
 

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?
Typical apologist, moral relativist answer. Which society lives in harmony, democracy, and justice, and which lives under perpetual war, fear, oppression, and despair? If you can't see the difference, nor the fact that the U.S. is on the side of righteousness, there is no hope for people like you.


you just described america.
maybe we should count how many wars the us of a and the cia started in the past 50 years eh?
 

fornax

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21Think about what you just said. Now think about 9/11 and how Al-Qaeda considers Americans "terrorists." What? All the lives lost in the attacks were just "collateral damage" and a "good lesson to others."

What the fuck goes on in your head?

It is clear that brencat is a member of an AQ propaganda cell whose goal is to make as many people hate America as possible.
 

palehorse

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I can't believe that any American would be against killing members of Al Qaeda and those who willingly house and support them. It's almost as though some of you actually mourn their deaths... and that truly boggles my mind!
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nah. It's just an exercise in a scorched earth policy by repubs- they'll burn every bridge and poison every water hole possible on their way out...

Gotta love the usual anonymous sourcing, too...

Hell, they may yet attack the Iranians, just to turn the election, or to leave Obama with a seething hornets' nest in his lap...

Let's try to remember, class, that they have no shame, no sense of decency whatsoever... and that they're most dangerous when cornered...


You are just clueless, arent you?
 

jpeyton

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Not really an October surprise, since we have no intention of going to war with Syria, and they have no intention of going to war with us.
 

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I for one think it will have some long lasting repercussions, violating the sovereignty of another country is never a casual act. Right now, the Iraqi occupation depends on getting a UN extension past 12/31/08, and a US pledge to not repeat such violations can easily be made part of the price of the price for a UN extension. Think about it, there was really little gained by such a strike, as GWB looks for a few more pooches to screw before 1/20/2009. Knowing the next POTUS will have to take the flack.

In related news, it looks like the US will suspend any manned attacks inside of the tribal areas of Pakistan, but will continue to use of missile firing drones.