Really so when Obama suggested that we conduct military operations in Bin Laden's hiding place of Pakistan that was out of line right? What did we do here ? Hmmm....violate the sovereignty of another nation to get a few supposed henchmen who can be replaced easily. If we are going to act then we should do so in a manner which actually effects the root problem. Going into Syria is a dumb move if all we get out of it are a few dead henchmen and further tarnishing of our reputation. Being reckless and aggressive is not a wise choice to make in life or in foreign affairs.
And those who like acting without thinking about the consequences of their actions most be the other 20%.
The people like Techs are like scum lawyers who find a way to get damning evidence thrown out because the cop skipped a single word when reading his rights. There's no difference. Both know what is right, but their agenda (lawyer wants money, US haters want the US to fall) prevents them from doing what is right.
They want the US to fall and any kind of percieved rule the US breaks gives them the gleeful privilege to cry foul over at the top of their lungs.
Lemon law
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Its not that we mourn the deaths of Al-Quida palehorse, its just that we have minds big enough to understand that you ain't the 100% good guy, and Syria are not the 100% bad guys. We also understand that if you set up a metric where its OK for you to violate the sovereignty of another country, it becomes their right to violate the sovereignty of our country, or any other country.
But a small mind like yours, is easily boggled when its all about you and your narrow viewpoint, and has nothing to do with the viewpoints of the other guy.
Get a damn clue, we cannot kill our way out of problems and you are not our GOD appointed enforcer. Your type of thinking creates far more problems than you solve.
The world is far to complex to think in terms of black and white.
After 5.6 years in Iraq and almost seven in Afghanistan, we may well be further from any solution than on the day we started. And reason #1 is because we ignore their viewpoints and interests, thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of easy victory.
LL, until you get a grip and actually comprehend who we're fighting, you'll never have a clue about how to solve anything over there. AQ are religious fanatics. They don't want to chat, they don't want to just ask you to convert to Islam, they want to MAKE you convert or DIE.
AQ are evil, pure and simple. You're sad if you can't see this, because unless the likes of AQ are KILLED, yes KILLED and DEFEATED, they are unstoppable. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bought out. There is only one choice we need to make. Do we let the cancer of AQ and other radical islamic groups spread, or do we stop them to preserve our freedom?
If those cops can't abide by the law then maybe they shouldn't be cops period. Rule of law is foundation of this nation. If you want emotional half-crazed mobs running around instituting vigilante justice then move else where. If we want to appear as being a just and civilized nation to others and take on the mantle of leadership then we must bare the responsibility as a nation to up hold the rule of law even on a global level.
You don't combat evil by becoming evil yourself. You don't up hold our values by tossing them out the window. If our way of life and values are so righteous and mighty then we must adhere to them and use them to fortify our position in the world. If we can't even hold ourselves to our own standards then we are truly lost as a nation and civilization.
Nobody is talking about becoming evil to destroy evil. It is our RIGHT to destroy AQ and anyone who dares to harbor them. Syria is a known safe haven and it is completely justifiable to violate their airspace if they willingly support the terrorists.
The Al Queda boogie man is so much bullshit. A license to attack whenever or wherever we want without regard for national sovereignty. Rule of law my ass!
QFT. Obama said he would NEVER cross into Pakistan without their permission to fight Al Qaeda. He will bring true change.
Says you, from your safe and sound home, thousands of miles away.
Islamic extremists hit the US multiple times during the clinton years, and only once during Bush. What makes you believe that their only goal all along was to destroy the world trade center and go home and never come back? Yes, they just wanted to settle a score for the Yankee's winning the world series, right? Those other attacks were just practice right?
It's our right to seek them and root them out but not at the expense of destroying our credibility or destroying our principals. While I have no qualms about eliminating AQ henchmen I sure as hell do not agree that we give ourselves over to this lust and cut off our nose to spite our face so to speak. This move is bull headed and wrong period even on a strategic level because it accomplished nothing of great note. We didn't effect AQ one bit by this move. Bin Laden is safe and so are his top level underlings in Pakistan's border regions so the point of this raid lost before it was even hit the press. If we want to really combat AQ then we are in the wrong part of the Middle-East to do so in a effective manner.
Capt Caveman
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OP - Why don't you title your thread appropriately? "US special forces launch rare attack inside Syria"
Anyone with a brain understands that AQ isn't going to take over the world let alone the Muslim parts of the world. Their goal and their attack was to force an emotional and irrational reaction out of us which would tarnish our reputation and standing. For the most part they got it from the looks of your post and from what happened with the Iraq war. You want to play checkers but they are playing chess.
brencat: I couldn't give two sh*ts about Al-Qaeda scum, nor Syria either.
M: You have that sickness in common with Al Qaeda.
b: So, a few of the terrorists' family members died in the attack. Fvck em, collateral damage
M: Ah but it's never confined to the terrorists and their families, now is it. Always the innocent die. Collateral damage is the term we use for killing women and children, but then again, you don't care.
b: -- be a good lesson for the others.
M: It will make them want to kill us all the more but then you're not bright enough to see that.
b: Since the American people are apparently tiring of an 'in your face' war on terror, you're going to be seeing a lot more of this under the radar kind of stuff, regardless of who wins the election. Because pacifism and hope isn't going to make this terror threat go away.
M: An ignorant fool like yourself shouldn't have opinions.
M: You have that sickness in common with Al Qaeda.
b: So, a few of the terrorists' family members died in the attack. Fvck em, collateral damage
M: Ah but it's never confined to the terrorists and their families, now is it. Always the innocent die. Collateral damage is the term we use for killing women and children, but then again, you don't care.
b: -- be a good lesson for the others.
M: It will make them want to kill us all the more but then you're not bright enough to see that.
b: Since the American people are apparently tiring of an 'in your face' war on terror, you're going to be seeing a lot more of this under the radar kind of stuff, regardless of who wins the election. Because pacifism and hope isn't going to make this terror threat go away.
M: An ignorant fool like yourself shouldn't have opinions.
b: Typical apologist, moral relativist answer. Which society lives in harmony, democracy, and justice, and which lives under perpetual war, fear, oppression, and despair? If you can't see the difference, nor the fact that the U.S. is on the side of righteousness, there is no hope for people like you.
M: There is no hope for us because ignorant scum like yourself constantly arise in a society of democratic freedoms, psychopaths who are filled with the disease of moral certainty based on being brainwashed as children in the dogma of some ideology of religion. You are Hitler writ small, a small minded idiot who is sure he knows what truth is. It's fools like you who have caused the death of millions. You are up side down and blind.
M: There is no hope for us because ignorant scum like yourself constantly arise in a society of democratic freedoms, psychopaths who are filled with the disease of moral certainty based on being brainwashed as children in the dogma of some ideology of religion. You are Hitler writ small, a small minded idiot who is sure he knows what truth is. It's fools like you who have caused the death of millions. You are up side down and blind.
Oi, so many loaded false premises:
0) If you don't think Islam is taking over the world, you've got another thing coming. Islam IS going to take over Africa, Europe and even Russia. Not necessarily through force, they are simply out populating countries in Europe and even Russia at a staggering pace. Get enough countries predominatly muslim and at least one of them is going to be on the extremist edge, wait, that's Iran, and Syria, now Lebanon and some nations in Africa.
1) Their goal was to force a silly reaction from us? Did you telepathically get that from an AQ across the world?
2) Our reputation can only be tarnished if we are not resolved to destroy the evil that exists. The ONLY thing that has hurt our image is the left's vehement attacks on it's own country's policies, all because they are too weak or cowardly to face an enemy. Or they are too blind to even see that AQ and other muslim extremists cannot be reasoned with and we cannot sit back and wait to be attacked again.
3) They wanted to play chess, they ended up playing chicken and hound.
Any American? Name some fucking names.
What real American would be for killing anybody? The only reason we're killing them is because we went for violence over rule of law. These people should have been brought to justice rather than executed, but we have a fool for a President. And why would you not mourn their death, you savage. They were once beautiful children who were destroyed by hate. You have been too. But you are a bigot and don't see it. You have become what you fear because you don't understand yourself.
Lemon law
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While the rationale that we can't combat evil by becoming evil ourselves is true, it by itself partly misses the main point. Al-Quida by itself can do little, but when we become evil ourselves, or bring anarchy to a formerly civilized area, we greatly aid Al-Quida recruiting, making Al-Quida far more dangerous, and establishing a metric where they create new terrorists faster than we can kill them.
And its our occupations on the cheap that bring anarchy that is our greater failing.
And its our occupations on the cheap that bring anarchy that is our greater failing.
You don't know what's right from your ass you arrogant fool. Let go of the vine. US haters, Ahahahahahahahaha! What a regurgitating bot.
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