Breaking News: United States attacks AQ in Syria.

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
The Al Queda boogie man is so much bullshit. A license to attack whenever or wherever we want without regard for national sovereignty. Rule of law my ass!

Says you, from your safe and sound home, thousands of miles away.

Islamic extremists hit the US multiple times during the clinton years, and only once during Bush. What makes you believe that their only goal all along was to destroy the world trade center and go home and never come back? Yes, they just wanted to settle a score for the Yankee's winning the world series, right? Those other attacks were just practice right?

Anyone with a brain understands that AQ isn't going to take over the world let alone the Muslim parts of the world. Their goal and their attack was to force an emotional and irrational reaction out of us which would tarnish our reputation and standing. For the most part they got it from the looks of your post and from what happen with the Iraq war. You want to play checkers but they are playing chess.

Oi, so many loaded false premises:

0) If you don't think Islam is taking over the world, you've got another thing coming. Islam IS going to take over Africa, Europe and even Russia. Not necessarily through force, they are simply out populating countries in Europe and even Russia at a staggering pace. Get enough countries predominatly muslim and at least one of them is going to be on the extremist edge, wait, that's Iran, and Syria, now Lebanon and some nations in Africa.
1) Their goal was to force a silly reaction from us? Did you telepathically get that from an AQ across the world?
2) Our reputation can only be tarnished if we are not resolved to destroy the evil that exists. The ONLY thing that has hurt our image is the left's vehement attacks on it's own country's policies, all because they are too weak or cowardly to face an enemy. Or they are too blind to even see that AQ and other muslim extremists cannot be reasoned with and we cannot sit back and wait to be attacked again.
3) They wanted to play chess, they ended up playing chicken and hound.

As much as I would like to reason with you it seems to me that you are hell bent on going into a emotional tirade. The same type of illogical reason and disregard for consequences which sunk us knee deep into baby sitting Iraq and actually opened up the doors for AQ in Iraq in the first place.

Thinking and acting in the short term to gain some inconsequential goals/satisfaction while hurting ourselves in the long term is pointless and self defeating. Do you think that killing a few half-starved/brain washed recruits is going to effect AQ at all ? Big Hint: NO! We haven't made a dent in their activites and if we continue to act in this manner. This end up being another "War on ***insert new outrage here**...." instead of be a true campaign to bring those who attacked us to justice. At this point and time and done with you as you seem devoid of any long term reasoning/logic and can't think past the current load you just blew all over yourself.

Emotional tirade? What part of my post was emotional tirade? lol...

"Use of laughter as a defensive mechanism, I give you a 10."

You responded to my post to YOU saying it was emotional tirade. I happen to possess the gift to carry on different tones among different people. PC Surgeon laughed (an emotional response!) so I called him on his BS because he didn't inject any logic. You should be proud of me.

Now stop stalling and actually reply to my post.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: brencat
I couldn't give two sh*ts about al-Qaeda scum, nor Syria either. So, a few of the terrorists' family members died in the attack. Fvck em, collateral damage -- be a good lesson for the others.

Since the American people are apparently tiring of an 'in your face' war on terror, you're going to be seeing a lot more of this under the radar kind of stuff, regardless of who wins the election. Because pacifism and hope isn't going to make this terror threat go away.

It's such a joke that the US feels the need to waste so much time, resources, and money fighting those insignificant fuckers. They are so the least of our worries it's not even funny.

Bush was on almost permanent vacation with favorable ratings plummeting before he started the useless criminal war. He did it to become a somebody instead of the nothing he is.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: palehorse
As I said above, I'm damn sure glad that even Barrack Obama agrees with me on this one -- just as most of our nation's fine military leaders also agree with me on the issue of the Pakistan-Afghan "border."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that BHO would do anything about AQ in another country that refused to get rid of AQ themselves. He can talk all he wants, but there's no reason to think he'll actually act.

You don't know how to reason so who the f*ck is listening to you.

Seriously, get a grip. Your posts don't reason, AT ALL, you spew a bunch of incoherent bullshit because that's all you dare to write as not to sound all "Judgemental" or whatever it is you fear to be categorized as. If you actually posted some "reason" of your own...

I told you, you wouldn't know reason if it bit you in the ass. And I don't know how you could imagine I'm afraid to be judgmental. I am judging you and telling you you're the very evil you want to fight against. You are terrified of Al Quaeda because you are terrified to know how much they are you. You are the eternal struggle of evil against evil, the endless wheel of karmic hate and revenge. You are full of sick hate.

Why don't you answer my question, what should a non-Muslim do when a gun is forced on his whole family and told to convert to Islam?

What about the jews as mentioned above, what advice would you give to the jews just when the Germans started rounding them up to be killed?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse
I can't believe that any American would be against killing members of Al Qaeda and those who willingly house and support them. It's almost as though some of you actually mourn their deaths... and that truly boggles my mind!

Any American? Name some fucking names.

What real American would be for killing anybody? The only reason we're killing them is because we went for violence over rule of law. These people should have been brought to justice rather than executed, but we have a fool for a President. And why would you not mourn their death, you savage. They were once beautiful children who were destroyed by hate. You have been too. But you are a bigot and don't see it. You have become what you fear because you don't understand yourself.

You are a fool and you don't see it. We're not talking about your average chicago cat burglar. They're islamic extremists filled with hatred for all things not aligned with their religious views. What are you going to do, ask them to please nicely come into jail to serve for life? You simply don't understand what you're dealing with, because the policies of your party come before your willingness to risk going against them by standing up for what is right.

You babbling psychopath, you are totally insane. You are full of the blindness of hate and fear, a pure and total bigot. You are blind as a bat to how sick you are. Right , right, you don't have the faintest idea of what is right, or how to insure justice.

If there was a poll on who was a babbling psychopath on this forum, i'm pretty sure you'd win. Why is it that you always resort to calling people you disagree with as hate and fear filled bigots?

Because you are a hateful and fear filled bigot and you can always tell a bigot but you can't tell them much.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse
I can't believe that any American would be against killing members of Al Qaeda and those who willingly house and support them. It's almost as though some of you actually mourn their deaths... and that truly boggles my mind!

Any American? Name some fucking names.

What real American would be for killing anybody? The only reason we're killing them is because we went for violence over rule of law. These people should have been brought to justice rather than executed, but we have a fool for a President. And why would you not mourn their death, you savage. They were once beautiful children who were destroyed by hate. You have been too. But you are a bigot and don't see it. You have become what you fear because you don't understand yourself.

You are a fool and you don't see it. We're not talking about your average chicago cat burglar. They're islamic extremists filled with hatred for all things not aligned with their religious views. What are you going to do, ask them to please nicely come into jail to serve for life? You simply don't understand what you're dealing with, because the policies of your party come before your willingness to risk going against them by standing up for what is right.

You babbling psychopath, you are totally insane. You are full of the blindness of hate and fear, a pure and total bigot. You are blind as a bat to how sick you are. Right , right, you don't have the faintest idea of what is right, or how to insure justice.

If there was a poll on who was a babbling psychopath on this forum, i'm pretty sure you'd win. Why is it that you always resort to calling people you disagree with as hate and fear filled bigots?

Because you are a hateful and fear filled bigot and you can always tell a bigot but you can't tell them much.

You call it as you see it, fair enough. What about my other questions above?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: palehorse
As I said above, I'm damn sure glad that even Barrack Obama agrees with me on this one -- just as most of our nation's fine military leaders also agree with me on the issue of the Pakistan-Afghan "border."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that BHO would do anything about AQ in another country that refused to get rid of AQ themselves. He can talk all he wants, but there's no reason to think he'll actually act.

I believe you're wrong. I believe that Obama would have authorized the same strike.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: palehorse
I can't believe that any American would be against killing members of Al Qaeda and those who willingly house and support them. It's almost as though some of you actually mourn their deaths... and that truly boggles my mind!

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Its not that we mourn the deaths of Al-Quida palehorse, its just that we have minds big enough to understand that you ain't the 100% good guy, and Syria are not the 100% bad guys. We also understand that if you set up a metric where its OK for you to violate the sovereignty of another country, it becomes their right to violate the sovereignty of our country, or any other country.

But a small mind like yours, is easily boggled when its all about you and your narrow viewpoint, and has nothing to do with the viewpoints of the other guy.

Get a damn clue, we cannot kill our way out of problems and you are not our GOD appointed enforcer. Your type of thinking creates far more problems than you solve.

The world is far to complex to think in terms of black and white.

After 5.6 years in Iraq and almost seven in Afghanistan, we may well be further from any solution than on the day we started. And reason #1 is because we ignore their viewpoints and interests, thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of easy victory.

LL, until you get a grip and actually comprehend who we're fighting, you'll never have a clue about how to solve anything over there. AQ are religious fanatics. They don't want to chat, they don't want to just ask you to convert to Islam, they want to MAKE you convert or DIE.

AQ are evil, pure and simple. You're sad if you can't see this, because unless the likes of AQ are KILLED, yes KILLED and DEFEATED, they are unstoppable. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bought out. There is only one choice we need to make. Do we let the cancer of AQ and other radical islamic groups spread, or do we stop them to preserve our freedom?

You don't combat evil by becoming evil yourself. You don't up hold you values by tossing them out the window. If our way of life and values are so righteous and mighty then we must adhere to them and use them to fortify our position in the world. If we can't even hold ourselves to our own standards then we are truly lost as a nation and civilization.

Nobody is talking about becoming evil to destroy evil. It is our RIGHT to destroy AQ and anyone who dares to harbor them. Syria is a known safe haven and it is completely justifiable to violate their airspace if they willingly support the terrorists.

Yes they are. That's exactly what I am talking about and that is exactly what you are doing. It is not our right to destroy Al Qaeda. It is our right to stop them right up to the point where they give up, if they do. That requires not one single ounce of hate. It is not legal to violate a countries air space but it may be justified under certain conditions. You are way way too certain not to be a fanatic.

 

[Lemon law]

Next time Al-Quida takes over an American town, I will get my gun and fight them. But its not our job to go half way around the world, totally destabilize another country, and become even worse than Al-Quida.

As it is, Al-Quida did not really target America on 911, they targeted the policies of the world trade center, and its most visible symbol happened to be located in New York City.

And for all our costly sound and fury, our war on terrorism has increased and not decreased Al-Quida strength.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dullwittedone: L, until you get a grip and actually comprehend who we're fighting, you'll never have a clue about how to solve anything over there. AQ are religious fanatics. They don't want to chat, they don't want to just ask you to convert to Islam, they want to MAKE you convert or DIE.

M: Says the moron fanatic who thinks just like AQ. You are as sure you know as they are.

D: AQ are evil, pure and simple. You're sad if you can't see this, because unless the likes of AQ are KILLED, yes KILLED and DEFEATED, they are unstoppable. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bought out. There is only one choice we need to make. Do we let the cancer of AQ and other radical islamic groups spread, or do we stop them to preserve our freedom?

M: The raving swill of a lunatic fanatic sure of his own truth just like Al Qaeda. You are a psychopath bigot who induces others to kill millions like all the psychos of history. Your certainty is evil itself. You, my dear sir, are a monster.

Moonbeam, there's absolutely no truth in anything you just wrote. I haven't endorsed anyone to kill millions, I just support the US coalition to destroy islamic extremists who use violent terrorism to spread their ideology. Try making an honest post for once.

No truth because you are blind to your own evil. But look at your psychotic words: You are the evil that creates endless evil by pretending to be the good that fights evil. There is no evil. It's a disease you have in your mind. Al Qaeda has the exact same disease as you do and that's why they are working to kill you. You are them in the mirror.

So when a violent extremist group starts to take over a town, killing men women and children who don't praise allah, what are you supposed to do? Do you throw down and fight, or are you just supposed to go along to get along?

You stop them any way you can. Then you bring them to justice if possible. Not one ounce of hate is necessary.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: palehorse
As I said above, I'm damn sure glad that even Barrack Obama agrees with me on this one -- just as most of our nation's fine military leaders also agree with me on the issue of the Pakistan-Afghan "border."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that BHO would do anything about AQ in another country that refused to get rid of AQ themselves. He can talk all he wants, but there's no reason to think he'll actually act.

I believe you're wrong. I also do not wish to expand this conversation beyond Al Qaeda, which you seem so apt to do.

Unlike you, I do not suffer from an irrational fear of all-things-Islam.

The only thing that you can I probably agree upon is the need to go after Al Qaeda whenever and wherever we find them.

All this other bullshit you spout off with concerning "Muslims trying to take over the world" is borne out of some level of insanity that has consumed you sometime during the last seven years.

Believe it, or not, your irrational fears and outspoken anti-Islamic rants probably do more harm to my cause, and those like me, than the otherwise impotent ramblings of Techs, Lemon Law, or any of the other pathetic AQ-sympathizing morons we have around here.

Unlike you, most of us who are actually out on the front lines of this war do not hate or target "Muslims" -- we target and kill violent extremists, period. Their percentage of the whole of Islam is so small that you would probably be depressed with the "small" number of targets we actually care about. We use numbers in the thousands, not millions or billions.

This transport hub, and the AQ supporters and members who work it, were some of those targets we care about; and, I think Obama would have authorized the strike too.

What is your problem? every post you reply to of my mine is full of innaccuracies.

1) I don't believe "muslims are trying to take over the world", i said "Muslims ARE taking over the world. The extremists like AQ would love nothing more than having all infidels wiped out, but the average muslim just wants to live their lives. They happen to be living lives that produce much more children than any country in Europe and most old USSR countries including Russia.

2) I never said we should target "muslims" in general. Don't put words in my mouth.

Get your facts straight before posting next time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nah. It's just an exercise in a scorched earth policy by repubs- they'll burn every bridge and poison every water hole possible on their way out...

Gotta love the usual anonymous sourcing, too...

Hell, they may yet attack the Iranians, just to turn the election, or to leave Obama with a seething hornets' nest in his lap...

Let's try to remember, class, that they have no shame, no sense of decency whatsoever... and that they're most dangerous when cornered...

You are just clueless, arent you?

clueless, you say? Hardly. Once you realize this isn't about the supposed WoT, but rather about domestic politics, then you'll realize it didn't do a damned thing to further suppression of terrorists in the slightest. Yeh, sure, they're aggravating the Syrians, but more importantly they're demonizing the syrians here at home. That's what's important, and that's why they did it in the first place.

Notice that the Bushistas don't demonize the Pakistani govt when forays are made into that country... amd they don't demonize the govts of KSA and the gulf sheikdoms, either, even though it's clear that's where the money and inspiration supporting AlQ comes from...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: palehorse
As I said above, I'm damn sure glad that even Barrack Obama agrees with me on this one -- just as most of our nation's fine military leaders also agree with me on the issue of the Pakistan-Afghan "border."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that BHO would do anything about AQ in another country that refused to get rid of AQ themselves. He can talk all he wants, but there's no reason to think he'll actually act.

You don't know how to reason so who the f*ck is listening to you.

Seriously, get a grip. Your posts don't reason, AT ALL, you spew a bunch of incoherent bullshit because that's all you dare to write as not to sound all "Judgemental" or whatever it is you fear to be categorized as. If you actually posted some "reason" of your own...

I told you, you wouldn't know reason if it bit you in the ass. And I don't know how you could imagine I'm afraid to be judgmental. I am judging you and telling you you're the very evil you want to fight against. You are terrified of Al Quaeda because you are terrified to know how much they are you. You are the eternal struggle of evil against evil, the endless wheel of karmic hate and revenge. You are full of sick hate.

Why don't you answer my question, what should a non-Muslim do when a gun is forced on his whole family and told to convert to Islam?

What about the jews as mentioned above, what advice would you give to the jews just when the Germans started rounding them up to be killed?

I am still reading posts and getting to them when I do.

If somebody puts a gun to me and forces me to convert to Islam I tell them they are too late, I already did just a few minutes ago. I would be very careful advising Jews about anything. Most are smarter than me.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dullwittedone: L, until you get a grip and actually comprehend who we're fighting, you'll never have a clue about how to solve anything over there. AQ are religious fanatics. They don't want to chat, they don't want to just ask you to convert to Islam, they want to MAKE you convert or DIE.

M: Says the moron fanatic who thinks just like AQ. You are as sure you know as they are.

D: AQ are evil, pure and simple. You're sad if you can't see this, because unless the likes of AQ are KILLED, yes KILLED and DEFEATED, they are unstoppable. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bought out. There is only one choice we need to make. Do we let the cancer of AQ and other radical islamic groups spread, or do we stop them to preserve our freedom?

M: The raving swill of a lunatic fanatic sure of his own truth just like Al Qaeda. You are a psychopath bigot who induces others to kill millions like all the psychos of history. Your certainty is evil itself. You, my dear sir, are a monster.

Moonbeam, there's absolutely no truth in anything you just wrote. I haven't endorsed anyone to kill millions, I just support the US coalition to destroy islamic extremists who use violent terrorism to spread their ideology. Try making an honest post for once.

No truth because you are blind to your own evil. But look at your psychotic words: You are the evil that creates endless evil by pretending to be the good that fights evil. There is no evil. It's a disease you have in your mind. Al Qaeda has the exact same disease as you do and that's why they are working to kill you. You are them in the mirror.

So when a violent extremist group starts to take over a town, killing men women and children who don't praise allah, what are you supposed to do? Do you throw down and fight, or are you just supposed to go along to get along?

You stop them any way you can. Then you bring them to justice if possible. Not one ounce of hate is necessary.

By stopping them "any way you can.", I assume you mean include the use of violence to stop them, right?

 

[palehorse]

Some of you would do well to take a lesson from the Iraqi people who themselves have come to recognize, and seek to destroy, the great evil that is Al Qaeda.

 

[manowar821]

Why can't the USA stay the hell out of other nations? Stop making us citizens look like douche-bags, mr. government.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Some of you would do well to take a lesson from the Iraqi people who themselves have come to recognize, and seek to destroy, the great evil that is Al Qaeda.

I don't see anybody who doesn't want to destroy Al Qaeda. I just don't want to become the same monster myself to do it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dullwittedone: L, until you get a grip and actually comprehend who we're fighting, you'll never have a clue about how to solve anything over there. AQ are religious fanatics. They don't want to chat, they don't want to just ask you to convert to Islam, they want to MAKE you convert or DIE.

M: Says the moron fanatic who thinks just like AQ. You are as sure you know as they are.

D: AQ are evil, pure and simple. You're sad if you can't see this, because unless the likes of AQ are KILLED, yes KILLED and DEFEATED, they are unstoppable. They cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be bought out. There is only one choice we need to make. Do we let the cancer of AQ and other radical islamic groups spread, or do we stop them to preserve our freedom?

M: The raving swill of a lunatic fanatic sure of his own truth just like Al Qaeda. You are a psychopath bigot who induces others to kill millions like all the psychos of history. Your certainty is evil itself. You, my dear sir, are a monster.

Moonbeam, there's absolutely no truth in anything you just wrote. I haven't endorsed anyone to kill millions, I just support the US coalition to destroy islamic extremists who use violent terrorism to spread their ideology. Try making an honest post for once.

No truth because you are blind to your own evil. But look at your psychotic words: You are the evil that creates endless evil by pretending to be the good that fights evil. There is no evil. It's a disease you have in your mind. Al Qaeda has the exact same disease as you do and that's why they are working to kill you. You are them in the mirror.

So when a violent extremist group starts to take over a town, killing men women and children who don't praise allah, what are you supposed to do? Do you throw down and fight, or are you just supposed to go along to get along?

You stop them any way you can. Then you bring them to justice if possible. Not one ounce of hate is necessary.

By stopping them "any way you can.", I assume you mean include the use of violence to stop them, right?

Right up to the point where it's no longer needed.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: palehorse
As I said above, I'm damn sure glad that even Barrack Obama agrees with me on this one -- just as most of our nation's fine military leaders also agree with me on the issue of the Pakistan-Afghan "border."

There is absolutely no reason to believe that BHO would do anything about AQ in another country that refused to get rid of AQ themselves. He can talk all he wants, but there's no reason to think he'll actually act.

You don't know how to reason so who the f*ck is listening to you.

Seriously, get a grip. Your posts don't reason, AT ALL, you spew a bunch of incoherent bullshit because that's all you dare to write as not to sound all "Judgemental" or whatever it is you fear to be categorized as. If you actually posted some "reason" of your own...

I told you, you wouldn't know reason if it bit you in the ass. And I don't know how you could imagine I'm afraid to be judgmental. I am judging you and telling you you're the very evil you want to fight against. You are terrified of Al Quaeda because you are terrified to know how much they are you. You are the eternal struggle of evil against evil, the endless wheel of karmic hate and revenge. You are full of sick hate.

Why don't you answer my question, what should a non-Muslim do when a gun is forced on his whole family and told to convert to Islam?

What about the jews as mentioned above, what advice would you give to the jews just when the Germans started rounding them up to be killed?

I am still reading posts and getting to them when I do.

If somebody puts a gun to me and forces me to convert to Islam I tell them they are too late, I already did just a few minutes ago. I would be very careful advising Jews about anything. Most are smarter than me.

It doesn't have to be a jew. The Nazi's killed jews because they were jews. The KKK has killed black people for being black.

What do you do when someone willing becomes your enemy just because you are who you were born as?

At that point in my worldview, such a person is evil. AQ, the KKK, they know the will of their self declared enemies and they know that they'll not be bothered if they put their guns down and stop their ideology of hate. They're not stupid, but they are blinded by hatred. What can you do but destroy them? I mean, if you could somehow magically transport them all to an alternate reality where they could have their own reality as they saw fit, i'd be all for that, but that's not the world we live in. There is only one thing that can be done for an evil person like the KKK member who won't give up his hatred and shacks up in a house with AK 47's and makes the police use violence to stop him. He IS evil and the police will rightly give him a chance to surrender, but if he refuses, he will be killed or at best, captured.

Your AQ forces and other islamic extremists are no different. They know the will the US and Israel, they know we have no problems with them if they leave us alone, but that's not the choice they made. They made them selves the bad guy for attacking us violently, justifying our response to destroy them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why can't the USA stay the hell out of other nations? Stop making us citizens look like douche-bags, mr. government.

If we spent half of what we do for war on helping the poor of the world take care of themselves, we would have about 5 billion friends.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why can't the USA stay the hell out of other nations? Stop making us citizens look like douche-bags, mr. government.

1) Do you disagree with our presence in Afghanistan as well? Or just Iraq?

2) If you disagree with both, what would you have had us do after 9/11?

3) What do you think would happen tomorrow if we left both of those places today?

4) If AQ takes over either country -- or any other -- would you care? Regarding extremist training camps and the subsequently exported violence, how would you mitigate either of those developments?

inquiring minds want to know... heck, anyone else who feels the same as Mano, please take a stab at the same questions.. if you dare.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse
Some of you would do well to take a lesson from the Iraqi people who themselves have come to recognize, and seek to destroy, the great evil that is Al Qaeda.

I don't see anybody who doesn't want to destroy Al Qaeda. I just don't want to become the same monster myself to do it.

Please rise to the same challenge I made to Drifter...

that was:

Please explain to us how this SOF raid against an Al Qaeda run transport facility, operating near the Syrian border, is an example the U.S. "becoming evil" itself, or "becoming the same monster."

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why can't the USA stay the hell out of other nations? Stop making us citizens look like douche-bags, mr. government.

If we spent half of what we do for war on helping the poor of the world take care of themselves, we would have about 5 billion friends.

:laugh:

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why can't the USA stay the hell out of other nations? Stop making us citizens look like douche-bags, mr. government.

1) Do you disagree with our presence in Afghanistan as well? Or just Iraq?

2) If you disagree with both, what would you have had us do after 9/11?

3) What do you think would happen tomorrow if we left both of those places today?

4) If AQ takes over either country -- or any other -- would you care? Regarding extremist training camps and the subsequently exported violence, how would you mitigate either of those developments?

inquiring minds want to know... heck, anyone else who feels the same as Mano, please take a stab at the same questions.. if you dare.

Do you know why Al Qaeda hates us and wanted to attack up in the first place?

 

[Moonbeam]

D: It doesn't have to be a jew. The Nazi's killed jews because they were jews. The KKK has killed black people for being black.

M: Of course, that is the way of bigotry.

D: What do you do when someone willing becomes your enemy just because you are who you were born as?

M: What do you need to do? You aren't somebody else's hate, I hope. There is nothing you can do about bigots. They are blind to the fact they are bigots.

D: At that point in my worldview, such a person is evil.

M: They are sick, and their sickness is evil, not them.

D: AQ, the KKK, they know the will of their self declared enemies and they know that they'll not be bothered if they put their guns down and stop their ideology of hate. They're not stupid, but they are blinded by hatred. What can you do but destroy them?

M: Love them, of course. Hate bigots hate: And there is noting wrong with them but their bigotry.

D: I mean, if you could somehow magically transport them all to an alternate reality where they could have their own reality as they saw fit, i'd be all for that, but that's not the world we live in.

M: Not nice. They would just turn on each other and start killing themselves.

D: There is only one thing that can be done for an evil person like the KKK member who won't give up his hatred and shacks up in a house with AK 47's and makes the police use violence to stop him. He IS evil and the police will rightly give him a chance to surrender, but if he refuses, he will be killed or at best, captured.

M: Of course. The rule of law.

D: Your AQ forces and other islamic extremists are no different.

M: Exactly, rule of law>

D: They know the will the US and Israel, they know we have no problems with them if they leave us alone, but that's not the choice they made. They made them selves the bad guy for attacking us violently, justifying our response to destroy them.

M: They chose to act out their bigotry and so they pay the price. They need bringing to justice and tried fairly by the law. It's what makes us better than them.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Do you know why Al Qaeda hates us and wanted to attack us in the first place?

Yes, i do. I've studied and fought the enemy for several years now.