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Zebo

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They'll never overturn abortion in this country guys.. Republicans actually like being elected which would'nt happen again if they made such an gave error. talk tuff but dont actually do anything about it is thier game on this issue to placate about 25% of the voters who are adamently opposed to abortion and factors huge into thier vote. My mom is a big time liberal I mean like european but she will not vote for a pro-choice candidate period so she votes republican mosty.
 

nageov3t

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overturning Roe v Wade wouldn't outlaw abortion, it would just return it to being a states' rights issue.

I'm prochoice but would have no issues with RvW being overturned.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: Ferocious
It's unfortunate.

This generation deserves to suffer for electing Bush. But now future generations stand to suffer.

Not good.

I couldn't have said it better, or more eloquently, myself.

Tell that to the people who started Social Security.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Zebo
They'll never overturn abortion in this country guys..

Well, in 1992, before the Republicans were in power it almost happened... so one vote difference and it could actually happen.

Here's a nice description of Casey from wikipedia:
The case was a seminal one in the history of abortion rights in the United States, as it was the first direct challenge of Roe since the liberal Justice Brennan was replaced in 1990 with the Bush-appointed and ostensibly conservative Justice Souter. Furthermore, Justice Thurgood Marshall had recently been replaced on the Court with the appointment of Clarence Thomas, leaving the Court with eight Republican-appointed justices - five of whom appointed by Presidents Reagan and Bush, both of whom had campaigned as abortion opponents. Finally, the only remaining Democratic appointee - Justice Byron White - had been one of the two dissenters from the original Roe decision.

Given these circumstances, even most pro choice advocates expected Roe to be overruled and were gearing up for a subsequent State-by-State campaign against particular laws. However, Souter defied expectations and voted to uphold the constitutional right to have an abortion, preserving the precarious 5-4 Court vote in favor, though still changing the Court's abortion rights jurisprudence.
 

Starbuck1975

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There is no sure thing with judicial nominations, particularly at the Supreme Court level.

O'Connor, a Reagan appointee, has not been one sided in her vote on a number of issues. While her vote was one of the five that ended Gore's legal battle for the White House in 2000, she has also affirmed abortion rights and seperation of church and state on Ten Commandments rulings.

Given the approval process required for appointment of a Supreme Court judge, I doubt very highly that Bush will be able to appoint someone who is in line with the NEOCON ideology.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Zebo
They'll never overturn abortion in this country guys..

Well, in 1992, before the Republicans were in power it almost happened... so one vote difference and it could actually happen.

Here's a nice description of Casey from wikipedia:
The case was a seminal one in the history of abortion rights in the United States, as it was the first direct challenge of Roe since the liberal Justice Brennan was replaced in 1990 with the Bush-appointed and ostensibly conservative Justice Souter. Furthermore, Justice Thurgood Marshall had recently been replaced on the Court with the appointment of Clarence Thomas, leaving the Court with eight Republican-appointed justices - five of whom appointed by Presidents Reagan and Bush, both of whom had campaigned as abortion opponents. Finally, the only remaining Democratic appointee - Justice Byron White - had been one of the two dissenters from the original Roe decision.

Given these circumstances, even most pro choice advocates expected Roe to be overruled and were gearing up for a subsequent State-by-State campaign against particular laws. However, Souter defied expectations and voted to uphold the constitutional right to have an abortion, preserving the precarious 5-4 Court vote in favor, though still changing the Court's abortion rights jurisprudence.

Your presuming the votes wer'nt counted before they voted. In other words, they knew the abortion side would win with the votes they had so more conservative members were perfectly safe demonstrating to the RR they were really on thier side. But I will never believe even if you got 9 thomas' on the court they'd outlaw it. The implications are too grave for thier side and they know it.

Republicans have all the power right now why does'nt republicans push for a const amendment? Why do they rarly talk about it once elected? Because they know to do so would aleinate most moderate republicans. So they talk it up at the churches they visit and totally ignore the issue on the floor once in power.
 

zendari

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Does the Supreme Court have an age limit? I just emailed Bush my resume, 18 years old and far right seems to fit the bill.
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: zendari
Does the Supreme Court have an age limit? I just emailed Bush my resume, 18 years old and far right seems to fit the bill.

there is absolutely no constitutional requirements pertaining to supreme court justices.

but if you don't have a law degree then forget it. unless you've been a member of congress for so many years and been on say the judiciary committee they might and its a stretch to atleast get you through the 1st cut. but if that were true then you're probably too old since its very unlikely a junior senate will be able to get onto a judiciary committee right away.

but in most cases no law degree means you've pretty much out of it.

also not knowing that there is no requirement written in the constitution for supreme court judges eliminates any chance you have
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: JEDI
was occonor a moderate conservative or liberal?

Oconnor is best considered a moderate. she's liberal on some issues and conservative on others.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: filterxg
Gonzo is personally prochoice, but state's right, so he would overturn Roe V Wade. I follow this stuff pretty closely and I think they are waiting for Reinquest to retire before putting up Gonzalez. To replace a moderate they need an easy confirmation. Dark Horse: Orrin Hatch. He would be easy bc he has a lot of friends in the senate, and is definetly a conservative.

Orrin "I wish we could come up with an way to remotely destroy the computers of those who commit copyright infringment" Hatch? :confused:

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Your presuming the votes wer'nt counted before they voted.

Yeah... I'm going to presume that. There are genuine differences on the SC.

You also assume they wouldn't do something unpopular. Did you notice that recent Connecticut case? Conservatives (and liberals) do very unpopular things all the time. Conservatives want Roe v. Wade overturned.

Originally posted by: zendari
Does the Supreme Court have an age limit? I just emailed Bush my resume, 18 years old and far right seems to fit the bill.

Comical. Do you have a law degree from Harvard or Yale? There's a pretty specific path most justices take.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: zendari
Does the Supreme Court have an age limit? I just emailed Bush my resume, 18 years old and far right seems to fit the bill.

NO, but you have to be committed to the money.

What money connections do you have and what group has you in their back pocket?

 

0roo0roo

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marching back to the time of the comstock act. yay!

just keep stacking those insane judges in. make ayatollah proud.
 

JEDI

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Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales is considered a centralist?

what is a centralist? is that another word for moderate conservative?
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: JEDI
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales is considered a centralist?

what is a centralist? is that another word for moderate conservative?

"Bushcabal leftist"
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
Does the Supreme Court have an age limit? I just emailed Bush my resume, 18 years old and far right seems to fit the bill.

NO, but you have to be committed to the money.

What money connections do you have and what group has you in their back pocket?

I suppose the ACU does. I've attended their conferences as part of our College Republicans club. I'd do whatever is necessary to promote a strong conservative wing in the courts for the next 60 years and am willing to pledge my loyalty and support to any groups that want the same.

And I can get a law degree at one of those online programs for working adults.

Perhaps when you become President you can promote me to Cheif Justice!
 

conjur

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Interesting tidbit.

Who are the activist judges?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06gewirtz.html?th&emc=th
WHEN Democrats or Republicans seek to criticize judges or judicial nominees, they often resort to the same language. They say that the judge is "activist." But the word "activist" is rarely defined. Often it simply means that the judge makes decisions with which the critic disagrees.

In order to move beyond this labeling game, we've identified one reasonably objective and quantifiable measure of a judge's activism, and we've used it to assess the records of the justices on the current Supreme Court.

Here is the question we asked: How often has each justice voted to strike down a law passed by Congress?

Declaring an act of Congress unconstitutional is the boldest thing a judge can do. That's because Congress, as an elected legislative body representing the entire nation, makes decisions that can be presumed to possess a high degree of democratic legitimacy. In an 1867 decision, the Supreme Court itself described striking down Congressional legislation as an act "of great delicacy, and only to be performed where the repugnancy is clear." Until 1991, the court struck down an average of about one Congressional statute every two years. Between 1791 and 1858, only two such invalidations occurred.

Of course, calling Congressional legislation into question is not necessarily a bad thing. If a law is unconstitutional, the court has a responsibility to strike it down. But a marked pattern of invalidating Congressional laws certainly seems like one reasonable definition of judicial activism.

Since the Supreme Court assumed its current composition in 1994, by our count it has upheld or struck down 64 Congressional provisions. That legislation has concerned Social Security, church and state, and campaign finance, among many other issues. We examined the court's decisions in these cases and looked at how each justice voted, regardless of whether he or she concurred with the majority or dissented.

We found that justices vary widely in their inclination to strike down Congressional laws. Justice Clarence Thomas, appointed by President George H. W. Bush, was the most inclined, voting to invalidate 65.63 percent of those laws; Justice Stephen Breyer, appointed by President Bill Clinton, was the least, voting to invalidate 28.13 percent. The tally for all the justices appears below.

Thomas 65.63 %
Kennedy 64.06 %
Scalia 56.25 %
Rehnquist 46.88 %
O?Connor 46.77 %
Souter 42.19 %
Stevens 39.34 %
Ginsburg 39.06 %
Breyer 28.13 %

One conclusion our data suggests is that those justices often considered more "liberal" - Justices Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens - vote least frequently to overturn Congressional statutes, while those often labeled "conservative" vote more frequently to do so. At least by this measure (others are possible, of course), the latter group is the most activist.

To say that a justice is activist under this definition is not itself negative. Because striking down Congressional legislation is sometimes justified, some activism is necessary and proper. We can decide whether a particular degree of activism is appropriate only by assessing the merits of a judge's particular decisions and the judge's underlying constitutional views, which may inspire more or fewer invalidations.

Our data no doubt reflects such differences among the justices' constitutional views. But it even more clearly illustrates the varying degrees to which justices would actually intervene in the democratic work of Congress. And in so doing, the data probably demonstrates differences in temperament regarding intervention or restraint.

These differences in the degree of intervention and in temperament tell us far more about "judicial activism" than we commonly understand from the term's use as a mere epithet. As the discussion of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement begins, we hope that debates about "activist judges" will include indicators like these.

Correction

Because of an editing error, this article misstated the date the court started. Its first official business began in 1790, not 1791.

Interesting...sooo...the liberals aren't the "activists"...whoda thunkit?
 

EagleKeeper

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Is it possible that politicians over that time has also become more inclined to stretch the "intentions" of the constitution and tweak laws in favor of specific groups.

Politicians could be percieved as the bad boys and the SUSC riding in on the white horse to correct mistakes.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Is it possible that politicians over that time has also become more inclined to stretch the "intentions" of the constitution and tweak laws in favor of specific groups.

Politicians could be percieved as the bad boys and the SUSC riding in on the white horse to correct mistakes.
If that's the case, that makes the GOP the "bad boys". Who's been in charge of Congress since 1994?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Is it possible that politicians over that time has also become more inclined to stretch the "intentions" of the constitution and tweak laws in favor of specific groups.

Politicians could be percieved as the bad boys and the SUSC riding in on the white horse to correct mistakes.
If that's the case, that makes the GOP the "bad boys". Who's been in charge of Congress since 1994?

Congress proposed, the WH stamps the approval for all laws and bills.

Both branches qualify in my book as politicians. :(