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Breaking News! Santa is a white man...so is Jesus!

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thraashman said:
If Jesus existed he would have been Semitic, not Caucasian. The historical figure that Santa is based on was from what is now Turkey, possibly ethnically Armenian, almost guaranteed of an olive complexion, most definitely NOT white. Megyn Kelly is an idiot. She's on Fox News, which is a repeat of my previous statement.
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Turkey? Armenian? please provide corroborating data to support that claim. After a cursory search I cannot find anything that supports the origins of Santa Claus as being anything other than a Europeon construct.
 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186

This is actually what Jesus looked like based on forensic investigation:

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If he were walking around today, he'd probably get lots of dirty stares from your typical rightwing christian/fox news viewer (and someone would report him to the FBI/DHS for being MUSLIM/arab).

Funny how white christians portray Jesus as lily white though.
 
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NesuD said:
Turkey? Armenian? please provide corroborating data to support that claim. After a cursory search I cannot find anything that supports the origins of Santa Claus as being anything other than a Europeon construct.
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St. Nicholas. Look at his background. His origins would put him in Turkey if he were born today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

Saint Nicholas (Greek: Ἅγιος Νικόλαος, Hagios Nikólaos, Latin: Sanctus Nicolaus); (15 March 270 – 6 December 343),[3][4] also called Nikolaos of Myra, was a historic 4th-century Christian saint and Greek[5] Bishop of Myra (Demre, part of modern-day Turkey) in Lycia.
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Phokus said:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186

This is actually what Jesus looked like based on forensic investigation:

face-of-jesus-01-0312-mdn.jpg


If he were walking around today, he'd probably get lots of dirty stares from your typical rightwing christian/fox news viewer (and someone would report him to the FBI/DHS for being MUSLIM/arab).

Funny how white christians portray Jesus as lily white though.
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Clearly a flawed analysis since Jesus was at most half-semitic. They seem to have forgotten to take into account who Jesus' father was ()🙂
 
The original woman who wrote the article responds:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...gyn_kelly_thinks_so_but_santa_s_not_real.html

Earlier this week, I argued that our image of Santa Claus should no longer be a white man, but, instead, a penguin. I hoped the piece would come across as a little tongue-in-cheek, while at the same time expressing my real concern that America continues to promote the harmful idea of whiteness-as-default...

I’ve been labeled a “racist” more times than I can count, and more than one person has wondered whether or not I think snow should no longer be white. Some of it’s pretty amusing, actually...

Sure, as Kelly File guest Monica Crowley notes, Santa is loosely based on Saint Nicholas, a fourth-century Greek bishop known for secret gift-giving. But while the names “St. Nicholas” and “Santa Claus” are often used interchangeably, modern-day Santa hardly resembles his supposed inspiration, who was depicted as tall and thin and, you know, Greek. He did not have a workshop in the North Pole nor eight faithful reindeer. Santa as we know him today is the result of wild imaginations and creative input from many people across centuries, including, as I noted in my piece, Washington Irving and Clement Clark Moore. He’s utterly divorced from his religious and historical roots.

And yet Kelly and her guests not only say repeatedly that Santa is real and definitely white, they also equate him with Jesus, who, historians generally agree, was a Jewish man who grew up in Galilee. Was he white? Probably not. But the truest answer is that we really don’t know. Also, whiteness is a historical construct. And, again, Santa isn’t real...


Finally, changing Santa does not mean we’re being “politically correct.” It means we’re expanding our perceptions of the “norm.” The argument that Santa must be white spills over into conversations about other, equally fictional characters. Can James Bond or Spider-Man be played by people of color? Why not? And yet some people will tell you—believe me—that they have to be white. Of course, some people also believe that characters who were written as people of color are not actually people of color. Which goes to show how deeply rooted the idea of “whiteness” as the default really is. And that presumption carries over into our everyday lives as well, sometimes with sad results.

I’ll be fine if no one else jumps on board the penguin train and Santa remains a white man. But if you’re seriously emphatic that he is white and must remain white, there’s a good chance that your view of the rest of the world is just as limited and unimaginative. I mean, we are talking about a magical man who slides down your chimney every Christmas Eve. Just so we’re clear.
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NesuD said:
Turkey? Armenian? please provide corroborating data to support that claim. After a cursory search I cannot find anything that supports the origins of Santa Claus as being anything other than a Europeon construct.
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He was born in what was then part of Greece, which is now part of Turkey.

What's happening in this thread is a conflation of two things. St. Nick as an historical person is as stated, but St. Nick as Santa Claus is decidedly a European construct, an amalgam of the person and Germanic pagan myths.

Santa Claus, the jolly old elf, is therefore a "person" which fits the latter description. The Germanic deity wasn't the loving fat man , but would ride around and punish the unjust.
 
This isn't breaking news. We've known this for hundreds of years. Basically about as long as Earth has existed.
 
werepossum said:
The left wants to change Santa Claus into a penguin because that "removes any trauma over his race" and it's the religious right that's "off their collective rockers"? M'kay . . .

Also, pretty sure we're not allowed to say "colored kids" any more. The proper term according to the memo I received is "kids of color". Prepositions have rights too, y'know.


If memory serves, weren't there a lot of Ethiopian Jews in the area back in the day?
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You are arguing against a phantom group. The Democrats are where the Republicans were 20 years ago. Middle/right at best. You can argue against a group that doesn't exist, but you'd look like the picture above!
 
Jesus is not white
Santa is white
Green Lantern is white

And I kinda agree with Megyn Kelly, just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it needs to be changed. I agree with her on just that note.
 
Ahhh, the black woman who wrote this article is smarter than 90% of you.



classy said:
just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it needs to be changed. I agree with her on just that note.
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Ummm, that wasn't even the point of her article....as she explains above.

People are just stupid.
 
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classy said:
Jesus is not white
Santa is white
Green Lantern is white

And I kinda agree with Megyn Kelly, just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it needs to be changed. I agree with her on just that note.
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there are like 20 Green Lanterns 😉 one was black and several were aliens.
 
shadow9d9 said:
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You are arguing against a phantom group. The Democrats are where the Republicans were 20 years ago. Middle/right at best. You can argue against a group that doesn't exist, but you'd look like the picture above!
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20 years ago the Republican Party supported same-sex marriage?
20 years ago the Republican Party thought taxpayer funded abortions were a right?
20 years ago the Republican Party irrationally believed lies about women being paid less for the same work?

:hmm:
 
The 'logic' that megyn kelly spewed out to defend the 'whiteness' of Santa was pathetic and laughable. Fine, if Santa is white, Mickey Mouse is black, deal with it barbie.
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nehalem256 said:
Lets think about this. As you move further north humans lose melanin in their skin as an evolutionary adaptation. Santa lives at the north pole. Hard to get any further north than that. Santa should basically be an albino.
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I wonder what the Inuits, Syberians, and Mongolians that live around and within the arctic circle have to say about this?

:hmm:
 
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zinfamous said:
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Lets think about this. As you move further north humans lose melanin in their skin as an evolutionary adaptation. Santa lives at the north pole. Hard to get any further north than that. Santa should basically be an albino.

I wonder what the Inuits, Syberians, and Mongolians that live around and within the arctic circle have to say about this?
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Actually, the reason for white skin in Europe is mostly scientifically hypothesized to be do a lack of vitamin D in the diet of those in the area. Lack of food sources with vitamin D, and the low level of sun light to product it means humans that lived typically had less melanin to produce enough vitamin D from absorbing as much sunlight as possible. People in other places that far north, like those zinfamous listed, managed to keep their melanin by having diets high in vitamin D.
 
I've never liked Santa Claus. My mom says I've always hated him and she could never get me to pose for a picture with him.

I do like penguins though...

Given the amount of time penguins spend in the sea would Aquaman be able to control Penguin Santa? I need to know the answer to this before I'm ready to have a serious discussion.
 
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