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Breaking News! Bird Flue Comes To The USA
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sao123
Lifer
1918: Spanish Flu
The Spanish Influenza pandemic is the catastrophe against which all modern pandemics are measured. It is estimated that approximately 20 to 40 percent of the worldwide population became ill and that over 20 million people died. Between September 1918 and April 1919, approximately 500,000 deaths from the flu occurred in the U.S. alone. Many people died from this very quickly. Some people who felt well in the morning became sick by noon, and were dead by nightfall. Those who did not succumb to the disease within the first few days often died of complications from the flu (such as pneumonia) caused by bacteria.
One of the most unusual aspects of the Spanish flu was its ability to kill healthy young adults. The reasons for this remain uncertain. With the Spanish flu, mortality rates were high among healthy adults as well as the usual high-risk groups. The attack rate and mortality was highest among adults 20 to 50 years old. The severity of that virus has not been seen again.
GasX
Lifer
A complete destruction of your lung tissue resulting in you essentially suffocating.
A normal chest X-ray has two black ovals representing the air space in your chest (where O2 exchange takes place). A chest X-ray of a patient with a near fatal case of this flue will have no black at which point it is a done deal.
we all gotta go sometime. Im not gonna live my life in fear.
I liked the anthrax scare better than this...
EDIT: It should be noted that the world as a whole enjoys a higher quality of life than in 1918. We enjoy things like antibacterial soaps, balanced diets and general better health related resources.
mugs
Lifer
Who's living their life in fear here? 😕 We're just telling you you're delusional if you think this flu will just make you sick for a few days.
Anti-bacterial soaps create "superbacteria" that are resistant to drugs, and they're no better than regular soap for preventing illness (according to the FDA).
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/10/20/fda.antibacterial.ap/index.html
Demon-Xanth
Lifer
Symptoms:
1. High fever
2. Congestion
3. Nausea
4. Fatigue
5. Aching in the joints
6. An irresistible urge to take a dump on someone's windshield
1. High fever
2. Congestion
3. Nausea
4. Fatigue
5. Aching in the joints
6. An irresistible urge to take a dump on someone's windshield
mercanucaribe
Banned
Antibacterial soap is simultaneously ineffective, yet also creates superbacteria. 😕
Medicine Bear
Banned
I already have #6. OH NO!!! Meesa gonna die??
mindmaniac
Senior member
That is true with most flues. But a bird flu is something even a healthy person's immune system isn't used to. The flu pandemic of 1918 has been confirmed as a Type A flue, a bird flu. That flu killed anywhere from 20-40 million people worldwide. There were about 500K deaths in the US alone. It wasn't only elderly people and children. It was a majority of healthy adults.
sao123
Lifer
From CDC and NVPO
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemics/flu2.htm
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemics/flu3.htm
Influenza Pandemics: How They Start, How They Spread, and Their Potential Impact
How Does an Influenza Pandemic Start?
There are three main types of influenza viruses: A, B, and C. Influenza C causes only mild disease and has not been associated with widespread outbreaks. Influenza types A and B, however, cause epidemics nearly every year. Influenza A viruses are divided into subtypes, based on differences in two surface proteins: hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N). Influenza B viruses are not divided into subtypes. During an influenza flu season, usually one or more influenza A subtype and B viruses circulate at the same time.
A pandemic is possible when an influenza A virus makes a dramatic change (i.e., "shift") and acquires a new H or H+N. This shift results in a new or "novel" virus to which the general population has no immunity. The appearance of a novel virus is the first step toward a pandemic. However, the novel influenza A virus also must spread easily from person to person (and cause serious disease) for a pandemic to occur. Influenza B viruses do not undergo shift and do not cause influenza pandemics.
The reservoir for Type A influenza viruses is wild birds, but influenza A viruses also infect animals such as pigs and horses, as well as people. The last two pandemic viruses were combinations of bird and human influenza viruses. Many persons believe that these new viruses emerged when an intermediate host, such as a pig, was infected by both human and bird influenza A viruses at the same time. A new virus was created. Events in Hong Kong in 1997, however, showed that this is not the only way that humans can become infected with a novel virus. Sometimes, an avian influenza virus can "jump the species barrier" and move directly from chickens to humans and cause disease.
Since, by definition, a novel virus is a virus that has never previously infected humans, or hasn't infected humans for a long time, it's likely that almost no one will have immunity, or antibody to protect them against the novel virus. Therefore, anyone exposed to the virus--young or old, healthy or weak--could become infected and get sick. If the novel virus is related to a virus that circulated long ago, older people might have some level of immunity. It is possible that the novel virus may be especially dangerous to some age groups that are not usually at risk of severe illness or death from annual influenza (such as healthy young adults). Such widespread vulnerability makes a pandemic possible and allows it to have potentially devastating impact.
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemics/flu2.htm
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemics/flu3.htm
Influenza Pandemics: How They Start, How They Spread, and Their Potential Impact
How Does an Influenza Pandemic Start?
There are three main types of influenza viruses: A, B, and C. Influenza C causes only mild disease and has not been associated with widespread outbreaks. Influenza types A and B, however, cause epidemics nearly every year. Influenza A viruses are divided into subtypes, based on differences in two surface proteins: hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N). Influenza B viruses are not divided into subtypes. During an influenza flu season, usually one or more influenza A subtype and B viruses circulate at the same time.
A pandemic is possible when an influenza A virus makes a dramatic change (i.e., "shift") and acquires a new H or H+N. This shift results in a new or "novel" virus to which the general population has no immunity. The appearance of a novel virus is the first step toward a pandemic. However, the novel influenza A virus also must spread easily from person to person (and cause serious disease) for a pandemic to occur. Influenza B viruses do not undergo shift and do not cause influenza pandemics.
The reservoir for Type A influenza viruses is wild birds, but influenza A viruses also infect animals such as pigs and horses, as well as people. The last two pandemic viruses were combinations of bird and human influenza viruses. Many persons believe that these new viruses emerged when an intermediate host, such as a pig, was infected by both human and bird influenza A viruses at the same time. A new virus was created. Events in Hong Kong in 1997, however, showed that this is not the only way that humans can become infected with a novel virus. Sometimes, an avian influenza virus can "jump the species barrier" and move directly from chickens to humans and cause disease.
Since, by definition, a novel virus is a virus that has never previously infected humans, or hasn't infected humans for a long time, it's likely that almost no one will have immunity, or antibody to protect them against the novel virus. Therefore, anyone exposed to the virus--young or old, healthy or weak--could become infected and get sick. If the novel virus is related to a virus that circulated long ago, older people might have some level of immunity. It is possible that the novel virus may be especially dangerous to some age groups that are not usually at risk of severe illness or death from annual influenza (such as healthy young adults). Such widespread vulnerability makes a pandemic possible and allows it to have potentially devastating impact.
mugs
Lifer
I didn't say it was ineffective at killing bacteria, I said it's "no better than regular soap for preventing illness (according to the FDA)."
In other words, regular hand soap is JUST AS effective. They are both effective... equally.
You completely mangled what I said.
From the article I linked to:
However:
So I should have said could create "superbacteria."
Pepsi90919
Lifer
that's not it.
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