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Breaking News: 2 kidnapped soldiers found dead in Iraq

orion23

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How sad...yet it was expected...

I sure hope our troops start shooting stupid PRESS people so that their are out of our way and stop reporting useless information that only harm us. (or have you seen otherwise)

I hope their friends can avenge their deaths!

Poor guys, God be with them and with their families and friends!
 
Originally posted by: orion23
I sure hope our troops start shooting stupid PRESS people so that their are out of our way and stop reporting useless information that only harm us. (or have you seen otherwise)
?

So instead of one tragedy, where we can at least blame insane people, you want many tragedies where we start shooting each other? Forgive me if I miss out on the logic there.
 
Originally posted by: orion23
How sad...yet it was expected...

I sure hope our troops start shooting stupid PRESS people so that their are out of our way and stop reporting useless information that only harm us. (or have you seen otherwise)

I hope their friends can avenge their deaths!

Poor guys, God be with them and with their families and friends!

exactly what kind of information is "useless and what kind of information about this can "harm" us?
 
Apparently you missed the uncle of one of the fallen soldiers on NBC this morning. He was trying to get out some criticisms of the war and the senseless death of his nephew but Matt Lauer kept interrupting with his apologist stance for the war.
 
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Sure, let's make the pain of the 2,000+ lives we've lost even worse by also killing the truth.

Thruth?

Because if Americans were told the truth about the way our empire continues to be strong, many citizens would then trade their "awesome" lives with those citizens of countries which our wars, politics or economic control affect.

This is a war and ugly things happen in a war. The public doesn't need to be told!
Then again, the ratings are very important for the networks!

 
Originally posted by: orion23
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Sure, let's make the pain of the 2,000+ lives we've lost even worse by also killing the truth.

Thruth?

Because if Americans were told the truth about the way our empire continues to be strong, many citizens would then trade their "awesome" lives with those citizens of countries which our wars, politics or economic control affect.

This is a war and ugly things happen in a war. The public doesn't need to be told!
Then again, the ratings are very important for the networks!

I see you fear and despise the truth so greatly you can't even bring yourself to spell it correctly. 🙂

If the truth would give us cause to rethink our actions perhaps our actions need rethinking.

Sure, you can unapologetically build the American empire at the expense of the rest of the world... but don't surprised when the world smacks back.

This thread needs to be locked also. The OP invited heated, off topic discussion with his ludicrous comments about shooting the press.
 
Kill reporters? Hav'nt enough died already to bring us the news... 73 last I heard.

Your "New thread!" starts off with worse trolling and more depraved than the one that got locked.
 
Originally posted by: orion23
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Sure, let's make the pain of the 2,000+ lives we've lost even worse by also killing the truth.

This is a war and ugly things happen in a war. The public doesn't need to be told!
Then again, the ratings are very important for the networks!

So what do you think the public should be told? Should we told when the stock market gets hammered? Or when our schools have a 30% drop out rate, or when members of congress trade votes for gifts?

Your attitude has no place in the USA, maybe in the USSR.
 
Psst! Orion, the journalists in Iraq can't step outside the Green Zone without a combat team escort. More journalists have died in Iraq than most other wars. You are a little late to the party wishing for only happy chucklehead heartwarming human interest stories out of Iraq. There aren't any.

So sorry that that you are an anti-constitutionalist. No freedom of the press for you! Your "Splendid Little War" has turned into a debacle of enormous magnitude.
 
Sick savages!


If they did what they did to Israeli prisoners taken during various Arab-Israeli wars the Muslims usually cut off the genitalia while still alive, and stuffed them in the mouths of the Jews.
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U.S. soldiers' bodies mutilated, booby-trapped

Tuesday, June 20, 2006; Posted: 7:28 p.m. EDT (23:28 GMT)
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The bodies of two U.S. soldiers found in Iraq Monday night were mutilated and booby-trapped, military sources said Tuesday.

Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker went missing after a Friday attack on a traffic control checkpoint in Yusufiya, 12 miles (20 kilometers) south of Baghdad.

The sources said the two men had suffered severe trauma.

The bodies also had been desecrated and a visual identification was impossible -- part of the reason DNA testing was being conducted to verify their identities, the sources said.


A tip from Iraqi civilians led officials to the bodies, military sources told CNN. The discovery was made about 7:30 p.m. Monday.

Not only were the bodies booby-trapped, but homemade bombs also lined the road leading to the victims, an apparent effort to complicate recovery efforts and target recovery teams, the sources said.

It took troops 12 hours to clear the area of roadside bombs. One of the bombs exploded, but there were no injuries. The bodies were found in the Yusufiya area, said U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, adding he believed the soldiers were mortally wounded, then moved.

It was unclear whether he meant the wounds were suffered in the initial attack on a checkpoint or afterward. "Where we found them was not based on their own movements," Caldwell said.

The soldiers' families have been notified of the developments, he said.

The bodies were transferred to a coalition base and were to be taken to the United States for DNA testing.

A high-ranking official with the Iraqi defense ministry earlier offered a conflicting account, telling CNN the soldiers' bodies were found Saturday in Jurf al-Sakhar town about 50 miles (80 kilometers) south of Baghdad.

Group claims killings
A claim posted on a Web site Tuesday said the soldiers were "slaughtered" in accordance with "God's will."

"We announce the good news to our Islamic nation that we executed God's will and slaughtered the two crusader animals we had in captivity,"
said the claim, reportedly from the Mujahedeen Shura Council, a group linked to al Qaeda.

"And God has given our Emir, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, the good fortune of carrying out the legitimate court's command in person."

The U.S. military believes al-Muhajer is another name for Abu Ayyub al-Masri, an Egyptian-born terrorist who it believes has replaced Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, killed in a U.S. airstrike earlier this month, as leader of al Qaeda in Iraq.

CNN could not independently verify the claim, but the Web site frequently has carried such messages from insurgent groups.

Asked whether he gives credibility to a Monday claim by the same group that it had abducted the soldiers, Caldwell said, "Absolutely not."

Earlier, military spokesman Maj. William Wilhoite said he did not know whether the bodies showed signs of torture. "I haven't heard anything through our official channels," he said.

The U.S. military said Spc. David J. Babineau, 25, of Springfield, Massachusetts, was killed in the Friday attack, after which Menchaca and Tucker went missing.

Asked to provide more information about the attack, Caldwell said the military would provide details after making sure the soldiers' families were fully apprised about the incident. (Watch for the witnesses' description of the suspected abduction -- 2:54)

Families 'devastated'
Menchaca's aunt told CNN the family had been notified of his death.

Menchaca's uncle, Mario Vasquez, said family members were distraught and were waiting to receive the body before making any arrangements.

Earlier, some family members heard of a possible discovery through the media, before being notified by the military, Vasquez said.

He called for the military to retaliate swiftly against the kidnappers.

"I wish they'd punish the people that do these kinds of things right away, instead of taking forever and spending millions of dollars," Vasquez said.

"I think you capture them, make them pay for what they did. Don't think that it's just two more soldiers. Don't negotiate anything. They [the killers] didn't."

Another of Menchaca's uncles, Ken MacKenzie, lashed out at the government on NBC's "Today Show," saying it didn't do enough to bring the men home safe, The Associated Press reported. (Full story)

A force of more than 8,000 Iraqi and U.S. troops searched for the two soldiers. Searchers initially found a body thought to be that of one of the soldiers, Caldwell said, but turned out not to be.

Caldwell said troops used unmanned aerial vehicles, helicopters, boats and dive teams in the search. (Watch how search uses land, air, water resources -- 2:59)

One coalition soldier was killed and eight were wounded during the search operations, he said. Two "anti-Iraqi elements" were killed and another 78 suspected insurgents have been detained, he said.

The Oregon National Guard released a statement on behalf of the Tucker family Tuesday afternoon.

"At this time, the family is devastated at the news their son may have been killed," the statement said. "They ask for continuing respect for their privacy now at this time of difficulty."

The three soldiers involved in Friday's attack were assigned to the 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) out of Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the military said.
 
Originally posted by: orion23
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Sure, let's make the pain of the 2,000+ lives we've lost even worse by also killing the truth.

Thruth?

Because if Americans were told the truth about the way our empire continues to be strong, many citizens would then trade their "awesome" lives with those citizens of countries which our wars, politics or economic control affect.

This is a war and ugly things happen in a war. The public doesn't need to be told!
Then again, the ratings are very important for the networks!
democracy is based on knowledge, for the most effective democracy, its participants most know as much about the sitution as possible. The public not only has a right to know, it has a need to know, whether it wants to or not.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Sick savages!


If they did what they did to Israeli prisoners taken during various Arab-Israeli wars the Muslims usually cut off the genitalia while still alive, and stuffed them in the mouths of the Jews.
this also happened in algeria to the french and french supporters, and alleged french supporters and sympathizers. seem to be a common way of humiliating/degrading someone, and not only in the m/e.
 
Sorry,

I can't see this in the way its being protrayed---on one hand the three dead on the US side are truly innocent pawns that paid the ultimate forfeit in what amounts to an endless cycle of tit for tat violence. At a certain point one tends to lose sight of where it started and where it will end--because it no longer matters--no number of wrongs will ever combine to justify the loss of a single life more.

But as in Vietnam, there is a tremedous amount of hypocracy in the US position--we scream like stuck pigs when we lose one of our own---demanding to know where each piece of a blown the smothereens body part from one of our boys--and now girls are--yet we ignore the fact that for every one of ours we lose---up to ten or so totally innocent civilians lose their lives on average--and these deaths are tolerable if we can just also get a few bad guys along the way.

Yes we can point back to Al-Quida and 911--Al-Quida can point back to other christian Moslem greivances as far back as the crucades--or Reagans shameless using of Afganistan and then ambandoning it to a bloody civil war.
Its justification du jour with the mad men in control--on our side its GWB saving the Iraqi people so he can manage to get so many killed he makes Saddam look like a saint in comparison---to various power mad Iraqi who will keep the insurgency going until all are dead--while living conditions are worse than 20001 conditions---and all for mere ego and having god on our side.--with all moderates driven out of power.

So lets kill the messenger--the press---yea right.--that will bring everyone already killed back to life.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Sick savages!

Indeed. They deserve to be exterminated. The human race is better off without them, and better off without Islam as a whole, for that matter.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sorry,

I can't see this in the way its being protrayed---on one hand the three dead on the US side are truly innocent pawns that paid the ultimate forfeit in what amounts to an endless cycle of tit for tat violence. At a certain point one tends to lose sight of where it started and where it will end--because it no longer matters--no number of wrongs will ever combine to justify the loss of a single life more.

But as in Vietnam, there is a tremedous amount of hypocracy in the US position--we scream like stuck pigs when we lose one of our own---demanding to know where each piece of a blown the smothereens body part from one of our boys--and now girls are--yet we ignore the fact that for every one of ours we lose---up to ten or so totally innocent civilians lose their lives on average--and these deaths are tolerable if we can just also get a few bad guys along the way.

Yes we can point back to Al-Quida and 911--Al-Quida can point back to other christian Moslem greivances as far back as the crucades--or Reagans shameless using of Afganistan and then ambandoning it to a bloody civil war.
Its justification du jour with the mad men in control--on our side its GWB saving the Iraqi people so he can manage to get so many killed he makes Saddam look like a saint in comparison---to various power mad Iraqi who will keep the insurgency going until all are dead--while living conditions are worse than 20001 conditions---and all for mere ego and having god on our side.--with all moderates driven out of power.

So lets kill the messenger--the press---yea right.--that will bring everyone already killed back to life.

I don't like your accusations. I know many soldiers and they arn't "killing 10 for ever 1 we lose" In fact the Rules of Engagment are far too tight IMO and probably lead to these guys capture in the first place. Afaid to be called baby killers when men approached and swarmed them is my guess... but dead men don't talk so we'll never know🙁

Anyway we prosecute the hell out of killers on our side even if it's a close call. Unlike these savages who relish in torture and killing of innocents and POW's. These murderers are glorified in Muslim world.. Go to UmmaH.com if you don't beleive me.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Zebo
Sick savages!


If they did what they did to Israeli prisoners taken during various Arab-Israeli wars the Muslims usually cut off the genitalia while still alive, and stuffed them in the mouths of the Jews.
this also happened in algeria to the french and french supporters, and alleged french supporters and sympathizers. seem to be a common way of humiliating/degrading someone, and not only in the m/e.

What are Algerians? I'll give you a couple clues...

Qur?an 5:33 ?The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.?

Qur?an 8:12 ?Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ?I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.?

Ishaq:387 ?When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ?If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!? When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ?By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody.?

This is also why there is no such thing as a "moderate" muslim or "moderate" muslim country unless it's forced by a despot. The "true beleivers" and devot will either kill you or you comply with the original scipture as they do.
 
Orion, God's gift to public opinion and what the public should be told. Actually, people should be told what war involves. There's to much good clean drama about it. Oh, and by the way, Orion, I love it when people tell me that my attitude doesn't have any place in the U.S. I've got my DD 214, how about you?
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
U.S. Soldiers killed by IRAQI TROOPS!!!

Killed by the very people they were patrolling with. Brings new life to a thread I saw earlier talking about (IIRC) can we trust the Iraq Army/troops?

How's that for a kick in the nuts? :|
Considering how many of the trained army are really insurgents/terrorists who will desert or fight against the US troops or other Iraqi troops, it's not a surprise at all.

They have infiltrated every level of the government and the military. Look at what's going on in Basra for a prime example!

The militias rule the country. It's well beyond time for the US to leave. Leave the mess to the Iraqis to clean up and fight amongst themselves over.
 
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