BREAKING: Fox News Projects McCain Winning The Electoral College By 6 EV

jpeyton

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But that's the fantasy land that Faux News viewers expect to live in.

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

:laugh:

No wonder Obama is simply telling his campaign to dismiss Fox completely at this point, while they try to spearhead McCain's fabricated attacks about "socialism" and Khalidi.

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When I was in college I had a rather eccentric roommate who, every year around this time, would lose himself in an arcane ritual known to his friends as ?Bowl Calculus.? The enormous whiteboard upon which we had scribbled a half-semester's worth of timelines, circuit diagrams, equations, and outlines would be wiped clean and - in a fit of productivity ? he would descend into a caffeine fueled haze of rushing yards, coaches' polls, rankings, revenue models, and injury reports. I, who never really followed football, merely mourned the loss of my whiteboard, but when all was said and done he would emerge with a prediction of what schools were going to which bowls in a just a few months.

The actual Bowl Championship Series was never all that far off from the elaborate calculation though what specific edge or advantage it gave him was never terribly clear to me. What my roommate did with college football, however, pundits, pollsters, and political junkies do with the vast sums of data that pour out of the presidential election. The advantage gained from that is very clear indeed.

Political predictions offer a glimpse into state of the race as it is and transform the presidential election from a single moment into a political spectator sport that spans months. Analysts and pundits compete to ensure that their model is the most accurate, hoping to attract viewers, gain influence, and establish themselves as a go-to source for insight into the political process.

Most analysts anyway.

The flip side of political prediction is that it can be self-fulfilling. As Politico writers John Harris and Jim Vandehei commented:

A candidate who is perceived to be doing well tends to get even more positive coverage (about his or her big crowds or the latest favorable polls or whatever). And a candidate who is perceived to be doing poorly tends to have all events viewed through this prism.

In short, predictions can influence coverage, create the impression of momentum, and shift the dynamic of entire campaigns. A candidate who is perceived as doing well not only gets more positive coverage, but that coverage often translates into his doing well. It is a cycle that most candidates find extraordinarily hard to break once they find themselves on the wrong side of it... as John McCain is.

Barack Obama has secured sufficient leads in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Michigan to push his campaign over the top by most estimates. Indeed every major electoral prediction now forecasts a win for the Illinois Senator come November 4.

Almost.

To be sure, there are a wide range of predictions which are further complicated by how votes are awarded. Electoral-Vote.com, which marks states as strong, weak, barely, and tied, is the most optimistic for the Illinois Senator, awarding him 306 electoral votes between its ?strong? and ?weak? categories. Politico, in contrast, forecasts the smallest number of votes for Obama of the mainstream predictions, figuring the Democratic nominee for 234 electoral votes before the swing states enter into things. Other sites run the gamut between the two but the average across Electoral-Vote, Politico, Real Clear Politics, CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times places 282.5 electoral votes in Obama's column compared to 160.33 in McCain's.

And then there is Fox News. Consensus be damned, Fox has its own take on the electoral spread which has no resembelance whatsoever to the numbers generated from the polling and predicting community at large. Fox figures Obama for just 183 electoral votes, 51 fewer than the very-cautious Politico was willing to presume. Simultaneously, Fox predicts 189 votes for McCain, 15 more than CNN awarded in McCain's most optimistic mainstream forecast. Another glance at those numbers should reveal something else. Unlike every other major electoral map, Fox's actually has McCain ahead by 6 electoral votes.

The average of the other six analyses shows Obama ahead by 122 votes.


There is, however, nothing inherently wrong with coming to an independent conclusion. That Fox's analysis does not line up with the mainstream conclusions is, in and of itself, unremarkable. What is remarkable is how Fox arrives at those conclusions. Among the states Fox feels comfortable ?calling? for McCain are Indiana and North Carolina. An average of polls taken throughout the election shows McCain up by half a point in Indiana and down by a third of a point in North Carolina.1

The closest state awarded to Obama under this metric is Washington State, where the Democrat leads by 12 full percentage points. Curiously absent from Obama's column is Colorado (+5.7), Florida (+2.5), Iowa (+10.8), Michigan (+9.0), Minnesota (+9.1), Missouri (+0.9), New Hampshire (+7.3), New Mexico (+7.5), Nevada (+3.2), Ohio (+3.9), Oregon (+13.3), Pennsylvania (+9.3), Virginia (+5.7), Wisconsin (+10), and of course North Carolina where it is Obama who leads McCain.

Obviously Obama is not going to win every state where the average polling favors him but if Fox is prepared to award North Carolina, where McCain trails by 0.3% to the Republicans surely Oregon and Iowa, where the Democrats hold a double digit lead belong in Obama's column.

Indeed Fox's election map may be the single most significant contribution the network is able to make to the McCain campaign in the final days before the November 4 election. As this column asserted earlier this week, the perception that the race is already run is among the surest ways to crush voter turnout. With media outlets kicking around phrases like ?historic landslide,? Fox's more conservative viewership is unlikely to exhibit much enthusiasm on election day. By creating the perception that the race is close, Fox will likely boost turnout rates amongst its audience and that may be enough to tip the balance for McCain in some key swing sates.

Fox's bias is almost a tautology in political circles and something that is known and accepted by many millions of Americans. It remains rare, however, for the network to so far overstep the bounds of journalistic integrity that their bias is not just evident, but mathematically proved.
 

NoStateofMind

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This type of fact fabrication is what will cause violence if McCain doesn't win. Fox should be held accountable.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.

QFMFGDOMGBBQT! :shocked:


By the way, RCP just updated for Obama from 306 to 311 with "leaners" in there. The average is going the wrong way vs Fox.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.

You're the idiot who after being told your EV prediction actually had Obama winning, arbitrarily gave McCain New Mexico to keep your end result the same. We should resurrect that thread so you can climb back in your hole.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.

QFMFGDOMGBBQT! :shocked:
But we CAN trust the polls Dave uses for his analysis. Only those ones though.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.

Even if you still believe that, there are more states firmly in Obama's column than McCain's. If McCain wins it will be by winning all of the real tossup states. That Fox map is idiotic.
 

DealMonkey

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:laugh:

The only way this is based in reality is if Fox is basing it's prediction on how Fox viewers are likely to vote.

Of course, Fox viewers also happen to be the 29% that still approve of Bush's performance.

:laugh: x2
 

AstroManLuca

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Thread title had me going for a bit. I thought you meant they were projecting a win by 6 EV when in fact Fox is just putting tons of solid and almost-solid blue states in the toss-up category.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
This type of fact fabrication is what will cause violence if McCain doesn't win. Fox should be held accountable.

Me taps sarcasm meter?

Fern
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: jpeyton

Fox News Electoral Map shows McCain solidly winning states like IN and NC, where polls show McCain +/- <1 point. On the other hand, states like OR, NM, IA, MI, MN, WI, NH, PA, and VA, where Obama leads by 5-20 points, are toss-ups.

I have McCain either winning by a slim margin or a tie at 269.

Everyone should know by know after the two past cycles you cannot trust Polls.

You're the idiot who after being told your EV prediction actually had Obama winning, arbitrarily gave McCain New Mexico to keep your end result the same. We should resurrect that thread so you can climb back in your hole.

That was a fantastic thread
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Thread title had me going for a bit. I thought you meant they were projecting a win by 6 EV when in fact Fox is just putting tons of solid and almost-solid blue states in the toss-up category.

half true.

Fox is also putting states into McCains tally using a formula that IF APPLIED FAIRLY TO OBAMA would be putting some of those "toss up" states into the blue column as well.

seems biased imo.

 

JS80

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lol jpeyton and a misleading title as usual.

1) Obama 183, McCain 189, UP FOR GRABS 166
2) It's Oreilly's page

:roll: @ jpeyton as usual
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Thread title had me going for a bit. I thought you meant they were projecting a win by 6 EV when in fact Fox is just putting tons of solid and almost-solid blue states in the toss-up category.

half true.

Fox is also putting states into McCains tally using a formula that IF APPLIED FAIRLY TO OBAMA would be putting some of those "toss up" states into the blue column as well.

seems biased imo.
Faux Noise?? NEVER!

 

AstroManLuca

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Misleading perhaps, but not nearly as misleading as Fox's current analysis. Where, you know, any lead under 10% in a blue state is considered a toss-up.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
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The only way this is based in reality is if Fox is basing it's prediction on how Fox viewers are likely to vote.

Umm, no.

I recently posted a thread on how polling firms adjust their raw results.

It;'s the adjustments (assumptions) that they use. In this case. it's likely the following:

Overall tightening of the race.

Undecided Voters - Which way the undecided voters with swing can ahve a large impact. Some assume they'l break for Obama, others not. Those pollsters showing better results for McCain are assuming that the undecided voters who haven't settled on Obama by now are not going to on election day (by a fairly wide margin). In the past, late undecideds have broken for the candidate in McCain's position.

I've also heard the demographics of the undecideds include a lot of rural, down-scale white voters, many of these heavily voted GWB in '04 & '00. Again, if they haven't gotten comfortable with Obama yet, these pollsters are expecting them to go with McCain.

Turn-out. High Dem turnout in general, and young/black voters specifically, is expected. However, some pollsters are forcasting high turnout all across the board, this has the effet of diliuting the others' high turnout.

I have no idea if this is wishfull thinking on their part, (or if there is wishfull thinking on the part of those forcasting a big win for Obama).

I'll be watching North Carolina because they will be an early reporting state (all parts in the EST zone), if it goes Obama I consider McCain toast.

Fern
 

ProfJohn

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Seems that he is passing some of these on past results instead of polls.

Such as North Carolina and Indiana which have not gone Democrats in decades.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
There is also nothing on that page to suggest how old the map is.
Fox is already doing that. Now that Rove's own EV map has Obama up, they're showing clips on their website of Rove's map from back in September when it was still close.

That way, they can say they aren't lying, only passing on old outdated information.
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
There is also nothing on that page to suggest how old the map is.
Fox is already doing that. Now that Rove's own EV map has Obama up, they're showing clips on their website of Rove's map from back in September when it was still close.

That way, they can say they aren't lying, only passing on old outdated information.

Which really is lying. They are a behemoth 24/7 news organization, not the monthly county newspaper.
 

Muse

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May I inquire: WTF is Fox News? I don't subscribe to cable or satellite TV. That's a subscription TV service? I do have OTA TV and a Fox affiliate station. Is Fox News on that TV station too? Or is Fox News just an internet site?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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I truly believe that if Obama gets elected he will do everything he can to marginalize Fox News.

Right now Democrats pretty much ignore Fox News. Everything I see from the Obama camp indicates to me that they want to take it to them for their lies and blatant biased coverage.