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[sdifox]

It is.


That's HIGHLY debateable. You seem to think "Middle East" is super-precisely defined. It's literally like saying "somewhere in the middle of these huge areas." Also, I'm talking about regional ethnicity that transcends the borders of a specific country.


I questioned if that's really what the source would have said. I'm told that, in England, the answer is: "Yes."

I questioned the logic of why those in the U.K. use such a vague and non-specific term.

People tried to tell me that "middle eastern ethnicity" would be completely incorrect. They are wrong.


Right on the vague border of a nebulous vaguely-defined area of the world.


Kinda.

Is the wikipedia defintion of Middle East not credible and precise enough for you? There is a nice colourful map which by the way, excludes Pakistan from Middle East.

You are still insisting that UK media should write for your understanding and your diction, as opposed to UK diction.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

That's HIGHLY debateable. You seem to think "Middle East" is super-precisely defined. It's literally like saying "somewhere in the middle of these huge areas." Also, I'm talking about regional ethnicity that transcends the borders of a specific country.

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People tried to tell me that "middle eastern ethnicity" would be completely incorrect. They are wrong.

Elaborate. Are you aware that Pakistan was a part of India less than a century ago? I'm fairly certain that Pakistanis are genetically/racially more closely related to Indians than they are Persians or Afghanis.

 

[greatnoob]

Elaborate. Are you aware that Pakistan was a part of India less than a century ago? I'm fairly certain that Pakistanis are genetically/racially more closely related to Indians than they are Persians or Afghanis.

Edit: nvm got what you're trying to say

 

[Younigue]

He's likely way older than I am. Knowing somebody can be this wilfully ignorant and obtuse at such an age should make it obvious that they don't really care about learning from their mistakes and instead want to feel like they are right, even when proven wrong. There are people who died from a terrorist attack and this uneducated fuckwit has been spewing his blatantly racist and misinformed drivel for the last 3-4 pages. You really think I care about his feelings?

No, I'm not suggesting you should care about his feelings. I'm suggesting requiring of yourself not to dip so low when discussing what many of us see as a right-fighter, fighting to be right when there's no real reason to. You ripped in to all "Muricans" because of one stubborn guy. But then I guess I did too. Americans by and large aren't very worldly and from my experience they're pretty proud of it. Your post just seemed harsh. That being said, of course power on and be you.

I agree ichi whatever his name is does come across as racist but I actually believe he isn't. He's just got his teeth in to something here and won't let it go.

 

[Ichinisan]

Is the wikipedia defintion of Middle East not credible and precise enough for you?

It seems pretty supportive:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Criticism_and_usage

Criticism and usage

[bunch of stuff explaining how dynamic / flexible the term is]

The first official use of the term "Middle East" by the United States government was in the 1957 Eisenhower Doctrine, which pertained to the Suez Crisis. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles defined the Middle East as "the area lying between and including Libya on the west and Pakistan on the east, Syria and Iraq on the North and the Arabian peninsula to the south, plus the Sudan and Ethiopia."[16] In 1958, the State Departmentexplained that the terms "Near East" and "Middle East" were interchangeable, and defined the region as including only Egypt, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar.[18]

Hard to miss unless you're not really looking for that. "Middle east" is just "that area in the middle right there." Of course beaurocracies come up with their own rules and try to decide what terminology to use for their own public statements. That's what they do.

There is a nice colourful map which by the way, excludes Pakistan from Middle East.

That's nice if you want to think of the Middle East as a precisely defined area with borders. It's not really.

You are still insisting that UK media should write for your understanding and your diction, as opposed to UK diction.

No. They can do that. I'm not "wrong" for pointing out why it's confusing.

 

[greatnoob]

Behold the ignorance of an uneducated retard who thinks brown-skinned and Middle-Eastern are synonymous and interchangeable and then wonders why calling an Asian a Middle-Easterner (when they clearly aren't) based on appearance alone is considered racist.

That ethnicity is usually described as "middle eastern."

Because Americans are confused by the use of "Asian" to describe that ethnicity.

He isn't accustomed to Asians being called Asians because - as he admits himself - Americans suck at geography or differentiating brown-skinned people (see Sikhs and Hindus killed post-9/11). Here he is saying we should use the wrong term so Muricans can feel right being misinformed:

Describing them only as "Asian" causes confusion here in America and fails to adequately conveys ethnic appearance.

Almost no American we be comfortable being so specific. They'd say "appears to be of middle eastern descent."

Claims he knows he passed geography, but lol:

The term "Middle East" is specifically used to refer to a not-very-defined region of both Europe and Asia. What is your point?

Hint: "middle east" is not the same as "middle of Asia." So which areas would you refer to as "middle east?" Some of it is in Europe. Some of it is in Asia. The parts of the "middle east" that are in Asia are in the western-most part of Asia. Being in Asia does not disqualify it from being "Middle East." We area talking about the Eurasian continent, in the eastern hemisphere. Pakistan is right against that area we call "Middle East."

Come on!

Why don't you tell us what you thought "middle east" means?

Hmm, doesn't seem to be on that list... I wonder why?


And here he uses GWB (another ignorant tard) as his defense when he figured out he really didn't know what constituted the Middle East. Uses the "it's a very broad region" fallback when he realizes how dumb he sounds, classic:

Not even referring to a country, but an ethnic appearance being described. Anyway, Pakistan is right on the edge of the "Middle East," with ethnically similar people all around. Ethnicities don't start and stop at the Pakistan border. Even the White House considered Pakistan to be part of the "Middle East" during the Bush 2 tenure. This is a term used to refer to a general region. Trying to confine the definition to specific countries defeats the entire reason the term developed.


I'm most certainly not saying "Middle East" is a fixed area with well-defined borders. It's kinda nebulous. It's a generalization for an area that includes parts of Europe and parts of Asia. When someone says, "Middle East," I have a general idea what part of the world they are referring to. When they say "Asia," a much larger area comes to mind. That's true of most in the USA, apparently. It's not "wrong."

 

[greatnoob]

No, I'm not suggesting you should care about his feelings. I'm suggesting requiring of yourself not to dip so low when discussing what many of us see as a right-fighter, fighting to be right when there's no real reason to. You ripped in to all "Muricans" because of one stubborn guy. But then I guess I did too. Americans by and large aren't very worldly and from my experience they're pretty proud of it. Your post just seemed harsh. That being said, of course power on and be you.

I agree ichi whatever his name is does come across as racist but I actually believe he isn't. He's just got his teeth in to something here and won't let it go.

Point taken and you're right I do tend to go too far.

 

[Ichinisan]

Elaborate. Are you aware that Pakistan was a part of India less than a century ago? I'm fairly certain that Pakistanis are genetically/racially more closely related to Indians than they are Persians or Afghanis.

I can tell you the split wasn't because they had an intensely homogenous sense of fellowship with the rest of India.

Behold the ignorance of an uneducated retard who thinks brown-skinned and Middle-Eastern are synonymous and interchangeable and then wonders why calling an Asian a Middle-Easterner (when they clearly aren't) based on appearance alone is considered racist.


He isn't accustomed to Asians being called Asians because - as he admits himself - Americans suck at geography or differentiating brown-skinned people (see Sikhs and Hindus killed post-9/11). Here he is saying we should use the wrong term so Muricans can feel right being misinformed:




Claims he knows he passed geography, but lol:

Hmm, doesn't seem to be on that list... I wonder why?


And here he uses GWB (another ignorant tard) as his defense when he figured out he really didn't know what constituted the Middle East. Uses the "it's a very broad region" fallback when he realizes how dumb he sounds, classic:

Barking up the wrong tree. From my previous post:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Criticism_and_usage

Criticism and usage

[bunch of stuff explaining how dynamic / flexible the term is]

The first official use of the term "Middle East" by the United States government was in the 1957 Eisenhower Doctrine, which pertained to the Suez Crisis. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles defined the Middle East as "the area lying between and including Libya on the west and Pakistan on the east, Syria and Iraq on the North and the Arabian peninsula to the south, plus the Sudan and Ethiopia."[16] In 1958, the State Departmentexplained that the terms "Near East" and "Middle East" were interchangeable, and defined the region as including only Egypt, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar.[18]

Different administrations have had varying definitions of "Middle East" for consistency with their own public statements. No surprise there. The only 100% sure meaning for "Middle East" is "this part of Europe/Asia that's kinda in the middle here."

 

[greatnoob]

I can tell you the split wasn't because they had an intensely homogenous sense of fellowship with the rest of India.

Barking up the wrong tree. See my previous post.

Wheres the defense for your racism and ignorance, calling a brown-skinned Asian a middle-easterner based solely on apperance? Idiot.

 

[Ichinisan]

Wheres the defense for your racism and ignorance, calling a brown-skinned Asian a middle-easterner based solely on apperance? Idiot.

Was he called "Asian" based on his appearance?

You seem to think ethnicity is defined by borders. That's kinda strange. He wasn't even from Pakistan, by the way.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I can tell you the split wasn't because they had an intensely homogenous sense of fellowship with the rest of India.

So by that logic, were Anglo colonists seceding from Great Britain racially distinct?

 

[greatnoob]

Was he called "Asian" based on his appearance?

Answer the question, or don't.

 

[Ichinisan]

Wheres the defense for your racism and ignorance, calling a brown-skinned Asian a middle-easterner based solely on apperance? Idiot.

He's of middle eastern descent. He's also of Asian descent. Racism?

 

[greatnoob]

He's of middle eastern descent. He's also of Asian descent. Racism?

Lol. Keep doubling down on stupid.

 

[Younigue]

Answer the question, or don't.

Outside of this distinction ichinisan never said anything hateful or derogatory.

 

[Ichinisan]

... he admits himself - Americans suck at geography or differentiating brown-skinned people (see Sikhs and Hindus killed post-9/11).

"Asian" (with no other qualification)
Brits think of one part of Asia.
Americans think of another part.

The difference causes confusion. How do you conclude that one is wrong and the other is right? Because Americans think of a different part, they don't know geography? Why couldn't you apply the same reasoning to Brits then?

[True, Americans generally have poor concepts of geography. This is not an example of it.]

 

[Ichinisan]

So by that logic, were Anglo colonists seceding from Great Britain racially distinct?

Nope. Pakistan isn't racially distinct from the countries all around it. Lines are blurred. That's why general terms like "middle east" exist.

[that also includes neighboring countries that are more solidly considered to be "Middle East"]

 

[greatnoob]

Outside of this distinction ichinisan never said anything hateful or derogatory.

He hasn't been derogatory or hateful but he has been very ignorant

"Asian" (with no other qualification)
Brits think of one part of Asia.
Americans think of another part.

The difference causes confusion. How do you conclude that one is wrong and the other is right? Because Americans think of a different part, they don't know geography? Why could you apply the same reasoning to Brits then?

I'm not a Brit and I know myself what "Asian" refers to. When Muricans can't tell the difference between an Indian and a middle-easterner and resort to murdering brown-skinned folk based on appearance you've only got ignorance to blame. The same sort that you're showing here.

He isn't a middle-easterner and he doesn't look like one just because of his skin colour. Brits aren't wrong, you are.

 

[Ichinisan]

He hasn't been derogatory or hateful but he has been very ignorant



I'm not a Brit and I know myself what "Asian" refers to. When Muricans can't tell the difference between an Indian and a middle-easterner and resort to murdering brown-skinned folk based on appearance you've only got ignorance to blame. The same sort that you're showing here.

He isn't a middle-easterner and he doesn't look like one just because of his skin colour. Brits aren't wrong, you are.

So you really think Pakistan can't be considered "Middle East?"

 

[greatnoob]

So you really think Pakistan can't be considered "Middle East?"

It's not but keep telling yourself it is.

 

[Ichinisan]

It's not but keep telling yourself it is.

Keep telling yourself it's not.

...or learn that "Middle East" has always been a flexible term.

From my previous post:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Criticism_and_usage

Criticism and usage

[bunch of stuff explaining how dynamic / flexible the term is]

The first official use of the term "Middle East" by the United States government was in the 1957 Eisenhower Doctrine, which pertained to the Suez Crisis. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles defined the Middle East as "the area lying between and including Libya on the west and Pakistan on the east, Syria and Iraq on the North and the Arabian peninsula to the south, plus the Sudan and Ethiopia."[16]

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nope. Pakistan isn't racially distinct from the countries all around it.

[that also includes neighboring countries that are more solidly considered to be "Middle East"]

You continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper. The only neighbour to Pakistan that might be considered as "Middle Eastern" is Iran and it is *very* different from Pakistan in terms of ethnicity as it's mainly Persian, Kurd and Turkic.

 

[desura]

Generally, Pakistanis are lighter-skinned than from-India Indians. Don't forget that Muslims were conquerors in India, and Indian religions are kinda the definition of idolotry, meaning that the Muslim conquerors of India were very cruel.

From the photos the guy does look a lot like an African person, so maybe he really was an African convert. It is rumored that the reason why there isn't a large African population in Saudi Arabia is that sub-saharan african men were all castrated.

 

[greatnoob]

Keep telling yourself it's not.

...or learn that "Middle East" has always been a flexible term.

From my previous post:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Criticism_and_usage

Great, use the 1957 definition all you want. I'll stick to up-to-date and non-Murican-tard definitions:

Pakistan officially the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is a federal parliamentary republic in South Asia on crossroads of Central Asia and Western Asia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

Keep going, you're making yourself look really stupid.

 

[greatnoob]

Generally, Pakistanis are lighter-skinned than from-India Indians. Don't forget that Muslims were conquerors in India, and Indian religions are kinda the definition of idolotry, meaning that the Muslim conquerors of India were very cruel.

From the photos the guy does look a lot like an African person, so maybe he really was an African convert. It is rumored that the reason why there isn't a large African population in Saudi Arabia is that sub-saharan african men were all castrated.

How is this related? Take your ADHD pills retard.