BREAKING: "Firearms incident" outside UK parliament

[desura]

There is a tendency of righteously victims to try to shift scorn onto Chinese. I'm sure more than a few people were hoping that it was a Chinese person doing this attack when they saw the word "Asian". This is kinda like how Chris Rock went from calling the Oscars racist to acting in a racist manner against Chinese.

 

[Younigue]

Keep telling yourself it's not.

...or learn that "Middle East" has always been a flexible term.

From my previous post:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Criticism_and_usage

Ok, I'm calling it quits on this conversation except one more thing. American potential confusion on this subject means nothing to London. The best thing you can do for yourself is to go ahead and make the substitution in your own mind if this ever comes up again, hopefully not triggered by such a horrific situation. You've said your peace and changed no one's mind.

 

[greatnoob]

There is a tendency of righteously victims to try to shift scorn onto Chinese. I'm sure more than a few people were hoping that it was a Chinese person doing this attack when they saw the word "Asian". This is kinda like how Chris Rock went from calling the Oscars racist to acting in a racist manner against Chinese.

You're a fucking idiot if you also think Asian is only synonymous to East Asian folk. Oh wait - nope, you really do believe that. Typical.

 

[Ichinisan]

Great, use the 1957 definition all you want. I'll stick to up-to-date and non-Murican-tard definitions:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

Keep going, you're making yourself look really stupid.

Absolutely part of Asia.

You still think there's a defined border for "Middle East."

There is not.

There's no defined border for "kinda this area right here."

 

[greatnoob]

Absolutely part of Asia.

You still think there's a defined border for "Middle East."

There is not.

There's no defined border for "kinda this area right here."

Keep using your "flexible" definition from 1957. If it helps you lump brown skinned folk as "Middle Easterners" might as well take one more leap and call them terrorists. Want to be ignorant? Keep at it, just don't expect the rest of the world to take the same amount of mental leaps to come to such a rash, ignorant and misinformed understanding that you have.

 

[WelshBloke]

Did I accidentally imply something is in Asia that isn't?
...
In what way have I shown any geographical confusion?

Your did imply that Moscow and Leningrad were in Asia.

If you're trying to convey his appearance, why would you use the most vague term you can possibly use?

Does he look at all similar to Shigeru Miyamoto? Anton Yelchin? Vladimir Putin?

Just for fun.

http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=UK+asians

Clicked yet?

 

[WelshBloke]

The term "Middle East" is specifically used to refer to a not-very-defined region of both Europe and Asia. What is your point?

That Pakistan isn't part of the middle East and that the middle East is pretty well defined nowadays.

Hint: "middle east" is not the same as "middle of Asia." So which areas would you refer to as "middle east?" Some of it is in Europe. Some of it is in Asia. The parts of the "middle east" that are in Asia are in the western-most part of Asia. Being in Asia does not disqualify it from being "Middle East." We area talking about the Eurasian continent, in the eastern hemisphere. Pakistan is right against that area we call "Middle East."

Come on!

Why don't you tell us what you thought "middle east" means?

The green bit.

 

[WelshBloke]

You continue to push this false dichotomy. Not every street. How about lining the sidewalk of a bridge? Unless you want to go for a swim, there is no cover on one like the westminster bridge. Essentially a death trap fantasy for fundie crackpots.

If you lined some streets theyd just target others and then it would be "Barricade all the things!" because when you start doing something its hard to know when to stop.
That said a few more bollards between the traffic and the bike lanes would be nice!

*I don't exactly get thrilled when outside parties become highly opinionated on american affairs so my sincere apologies if this exchange bothers you as a Brit.

Not in the least. This thread has already been dragged off topic by someones desperate squirming not to admit that they are wrong anyway.

 

[justoh]

If you lined some streets theyd just target others and then it would be "Barricade all the things!" because when you start doing something its hard to know when to stop.
That said a few more bollards between the traffic and the bike lanes would be nice!

Not having a mayor who tacitly endorses this kind of thing would also be helpful.

 

[mikeymikec]

Not having a mayor who tacitly endorses this kind of thing would also be helpful.

Here is what Sadiq Khan said in response to a recent New York bombing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html
A video of that response:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...nd-parcel-of-life-in-a-big-city-a3347891.html

Here is what Sadiq Khan said in response to the incident in London:
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/844633197191335936

Here is a weasel named Donald Trump Jr attempting to score political points directly after the London attack:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...icules-mayor-london-hours-westminster-attack/

Jog on, troll (both you and DJT Jr).

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not having a mayor who tacitly endorses this kind of thing would also be helpful.

Are you a liar or are you a simple dupe?

 

[WelshBloke]

Are you a liar or are you a simple dupe?

He be trolling.

 

[justoh]

Here is what Sadiq Khan said in response to a recent New York bombing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html
A video of that response:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...nd-parcel-of-life-in-a-big-city-a3347891.html

Here is what Sadiq Khan said in response to the incident in London:
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/844633197191335936

By tacit endorsement I'm referring to the lack of any statements condemning Islam or acknowleding perps as its followers, when applicable. You can't refer to statements he has made which don't do this in order to refute a charge of tacit endorsement, since by definition it refers to omissions, things unexpressed. The "part and parcel" line is a brown herring

 

[mikeymikec]

By tacit endorsement I'm referring to the lack of any statements condemning Islam or acknowleding perps as its followers, when applicable.

So not a tacit endorsement then.

Here is his point of view (with regard to your goalpost shifted argument):
http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/let_s_not_let_the_killers_speak_for_islam

 

[justoh]

So not a tacit endorsement then.

Here is his point of view (with regard to your goalpost shifted argument):
http://www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/let_s_not_let_the_killers_speak_for_islam

.....

 

[sdifox]

"Asian" (with no other qualification)
Brits think of one part of Asia.
Americans think of another part.

The difference causes confusion. How do you conclude that one is wrong and the other is right? Because Americans think of a different part, they don't know geography? Why couldn't you apply the same reasoning to Brits then?

[True, Americans generally have poor concepts of geography. This is not an example of it.]

Cuz the report is from UK and for UK consumers? Why should American interpretation matter?

 

[sdifox]

There is a tendency of righteously victims to try to shift scorn onto Chinese. I'm sure more than a few people were hoping that it was a Chinese person doing this attack when they saw the word "Asian". This is kinda like how Chris Rock went from calling the Oscars racist to acting in a racist manner against Chinese.

Wait what? How did ichinisan's not understanding UK diction translate to UK blame shifting? We are talking about a news item at a particular point in time not long after the incident. Most likely the authorities were not ready to release more detailed info.

 

[sdifox]

Not having a mayor who tacitly endorses this kind of thing would also be helpful.

Oh I see you take the words of Trump Jr tweets more seriously than recorded history.

 

[Ichinisan]

Your did imply that Moscow and Leningrad were in Asia.

In case the meaning is lost, Russia is mostly in Asia. I didn't look up the specific cities in which these individuals were born and raised, and I didn't want to imply that I had. My point the whole time was that fixed borders are irrelevant to describing ethnicity and I think a country spanning most of the Europe and Asia continent supports my notion that saying "Asian" doesn't convey any useful amount of specificity.

Clicked yet?

Yeah. I concede that's the way Brits perceive "Asian." So they can use it in that context and other Brits will understand. It still doesn't make much sense and there's no reason to claim that sort of use is superior/correct. There's no good reason for USA to keep using imperial measurements either. I'm not going to say metric is "wrong."

"Middle eastern" is not wrong.

 

[purbeast0]

Wow I saw all these new pages on this thread and though there was some new information or another attack happened over night. Seems it was none of that and was just more of this.

It's not that. It's Ichinisan's inability to ever admit when he's wrong so he just digs deeper and deeper.

 

[JMC2000]

Okay, so in post #22, the usage difference between the US and UK was explained, yet forty-one posts later, someone posts exactly as if they didn't read much of anything before...

Then, there's these last few pages, all because "it's confusing to Americans". Who cares? Simple reading would've ended any confusion.

 

[Ichinisan]

Okay, so in post #22, the usage difference between the US and UK was explained, yet forty-one posts later, someone posts exactly as if they didn't read much of anything before...

Then, there's these last few pages, all because "it's confusing to Americans". Who cares? Simple reading would've ended any confusion.

It should be clear from my first post that I saw post # 22 and understood what was said. I was told that "middle eastern" is "wrong" and it was implied that I don't know where Pakistan is. That's absolutely false.

 

[JMC2000]

It should be clear from my first post that I saw post # 22 and understood what was said. I was told that "middle eastern" is "wrong" and it was implied that I don't know where Pakistan is. That's absolutely false.

Well, geographically speaking, "Middle Eastern" is incorrect (yes, I know that it is a nebulous region without exact definitions), but the preceding was entirely pointless.

Though it isn't like most of us Americans like to admit that our world view is a slight bit outmoded.

I guess I'm of the tiny minority that wasn't confused on the usage of "Asian".

 

[WelshBloke]

"Middle eastern" is not wrong.

It is when referring to someone who isn't middle eastern.

 

[OutHouse]

Always knew Muricans were fucking idiots but not knowing basic geography,

fuck off noob, there is one guy in this thread who is a moron and you use that to label all americans morons. piss off.