Breaking- Church shooting in TX

[bshole]

Shooter had an argument with his mother-in-law and had evidently threatened her recently. She was a member of this church, but not in attendance on the day in question.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41892838

Sounds like this might have been personal, but questions remain over why he would target her in church as opposed to somewhere else, and why he went ahead and slaughtered a bunch of people after discovering she wasn't even there.

Rush Limbaugh TODAY went on a 15 minute rant about the terrorist threat that leftists pose. He used this shooting as an example of the lefts threat to greater society. This shooting was one of his points of data. This kind of disinformation is catastrophic to a free society. When you can lie about material reality to millions without negative consequence, the amount of damage you can do is nearly unlimited.

 

[Svnla]

So Democrats are responsible for the killings in NYC a few days ago or the shooting of Republican Congressmen a while back by using her logic? - https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/927258860590530560

 

[bradly1101]

We tried the wild wild west thing years ago, even then the population knew more citizens with guns walking around doesn't work and is a danger to society.

From 1999:

"The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun control bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a hero again shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to bear arms. For many who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun control is like that, a battle steeped in American tradition. It calls us back to those legendary days of the Old West, when cowboys defended their honor and their horses by way of their Colts.

In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE defining heroes of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything from soap to hats. He’s apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun control groups: gun shows and gun advertising promote from a distinctive Old West flavor.

Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among society’s leaders from the states that once formed part of the Old West.
The actual Old West pioneers of historical fact viewed matters differently, however. They would certainly hail the campaign to protect an American right to bear arms, but the record puts them behind "moderate, common-sense measures" for gun control—the very kind that President Clinton has proposed.

Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor of gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from experience what some Americans today don't want to believe: a town which allows easy access to guns invites trouble.

What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day association with guns is that more guns in more places caused not greater safety, but greater death in an already dangerous wilderness. By the 1880s many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing.

The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol."
The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four years earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he contended that guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying pistols, a dispatch from Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884, reported, "We see many cowboys fitting up for the spring and summer work. They all seem to think it absolutely necessary to have a revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the most absurd.""...

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~rcollins/scholarship/guns.html

The "wild west" is now the wild north, east, south, and west.

 

[woolfe9998]

Rush Limbaugh TODAY went on a 15 minute rant about the terrorist threat that leftists pose. He used this shooting as an example of the lefts threat to greater society. This shooting was one of his points of data. This kind of disinformation is catastrophic to a free society. When you can lie about material reality to millions about material reality without negative consequence, the amount of damage you can do is nearly unlimited.

Yes, this is all over far right media today. It's been unmoored from reality for a long while. It's why we can't have any rational dialogue over anything.

 

[bradly1101]

So Democrats are responsible for the killings in NYC a few days ago or the shooting of Republican Congressmen a while back by using her logic? - https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/927258860590530560

?

 

[ivwshane]

SCOTUS disagrees with you.

True...since 2008.

 

[bradly1101]

Look, thoughts and prayers obviously don't work. These people got shot in a church, for Christ sakes. So we can keep trying failed PC approaches, or we can help address church shootings with an abstinence based approach that also has the benefit of helping with obesity epidemic. A win win.

Or treat them like other places where people congregate and install metal detectors. Oh wait, I forgot, we're trying to ban control in all places. A metal detector is a symbol of our folly (but apparently effective in stadiums). They do keep out knives, but their main purpose is to allay fears about guns.

 

[bradly1101]

Lol...Trump is still regurgitating the "it's to soon to talk about this" Shtick.

And the "mental health" argument. Access to a gun can turn anger and resentment into dangerous and crazy? What if he (the shooter) had better access to a therapist in this small town and took advantage of it and could afford it? Would he have been called "crazy," or could only his use of a gun have confirmed that "diagnosis?"

 

[DigDog]

one day we'll just invade you and take your guns away.

 

[bradly1101]

Where this deranged shooter may have gotten his plot idea from?
In Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Parts 1 & 2" film, a very similar type of small rural Texas church "shoot-em-up" scene was shown, and was depicted as located near El Paso, Texas.
I'm thinking that this Devin Kelly shooter guy may have owned a DVD copy of that film.

Interesting point. These shootings I believe also have and will inspire others. Perceived total life and death power over fear and other humans is seductive.

 

[vi edit]

Interesting point. These shootings I believe also have and will inspire others. Perceived total life and death power over fear and other humans is seductive.

Lest we forget barely even 2 years ago. 9 blacks shot dead in Charleston by a white supremacist that barged in on a prayer service and opened fire.

Sadly, not new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Perceived total life and death power over fear and other humans is seductive.

? To whom? I've never felt a draw to hold power over others, or control fear beyond my own fears.

 

[Younigue]

Where this deranged shooter may have gotten his plot idea from?
In Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Parts 1 & 2" film, a very similar type of small rural Texas church "shoot-em-up" scene was shown, and was depicted as located near El Paso, Texas.
I'm thinking that this Devin Kelly shooter guy may have owned a DVD copy of that film.

Huh? Fictional tv, games, books, movies come from imagination. Humans can be evil AND very imaginative about it. Heinous crimes, houses of religion being attacked pre-date movies. How do you explain that?

 

[highland145]

one day we'll just invade you and take your guns away.

I saw the movie. Wallace didn't make it.

 

[bradly1101]

? To whom? I've never felt a draw to hold power over others, or control fear beyond my own fears.

Yes. My mistake. I should have said "seductive to some," although I meant to imply that.

 

[Bird222]

From a simple person, got it.

Trump is a mistake and must be removed. I fully expect that to take place before (or simultaneously if my fantasy of no guns were to come true) guns are removed.

Thankfully one of those things will come true! That being said, guns suck as much as Trump and they are equally a problem for the country.

Answer me this: This douche thing you got going on... Married to it or do you hope to one day be a better person? Stop hoping, start doing, if it's the latter.

Are you going to answer his question?

 

[Younigue]

So Democrats are responsible for the killings in NYC a few days ago or the shooting of Republican Congressmen a while back by using her logic? - https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/927258860590530560

Svnny: Proving every day stupid grows like a fungus. Poisonous fungus serving only theugliest of purposes for humankind.

Warmest (fires of hell warm) Regards,
Lying Sewer Rat

 

[Younigue]

Are you going to answer his question?

I did. As much as I ever intend to. Why?

 

[bradly1101]

or control fear beyond my own fears.

The killer may have had some fears about doing this (or possibly confronting his family). His choice to use a powerful weapon in a cowardly way may have put those fears to rest. It's how a killer's mind works (IMO). Being weaponized reduces otherwise seemingly uncontrollable fear. "Fear is the mind killer..." No doubt he (possibly purposefully) caused a lot of fear too, and gun sales will go up.

 

[Thebobo]

It was a false flag operation to take Russia out of the news! I read it on the internet it must be true.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It was a false flag operation to take Russia out of the news! I read it on the internet it must be true.

I'm almost tempted to go to infowars to see who they are blaming the false flag on. Of course I'm going to assume Antifa and Soros. I just can't bring myself to actually look.

 

[Younigue]

Are you going to answer his question?

I have to respond again because your post cracked me up! Pure hilarity that you are incapable of deducing from my response how I really feel. Have you no shame, must you flaunt your lack of ability? Your limitations? If you must? Then I should say, job well done?

 

[Bird222]

I did. As much as I ever intend to. Why?

Well, I was just wondering if you intended to answer the question. I mean you gave an answer but it really didn't address what he asked. If you feel that it's fine for Trump i.e. government to have control of all the guns you could have just said that.

 

[Bird222]

I have to respond again because your post cracked me up! Pure hilarity that you are incapable of deducing from my response how I really feel. Have you no shame, must you flaunt your instabilities? Your limitations? If you must? Then I should say, job well done?

See this is the problem. You don't know me but almost immediately go to insults. This is one of the reasons nothing is going to get done about this because you can't just state your honest opinion (and why) about the matter.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm almost tempted to go to infowars to see who they are blaming the false flag on. Of course I'm going to assume Antifa and Soros. I just can't bring myself to actually look.

Fear not, the minions will spread the gospel far and wide.