Breaking- Church shooting in TX

[Jhhnn]

Go read about Mexico and how defacto banning of guns hasn't stopped gun violence.

Not with easy access to firearms & ammo right across the border in the USA. AR pattern carbines are the weapon of choice for Mexican cartels. They're near perfect for the purposes of murderous thugs everywhere & not much use for anything else other than as playthings & fantasy fetishes.

 

[Genx87]

Not with easy access to firearms & ammo right across the border in the USA. AR pattern carbines are the weapon of choice for Mexican cartels. They're near perfect for the purposes of murderous thugs everywhere & not much use for anything else other than as playthings & fantasy fetishes.

Easy access, as in when our federal govt sends them to the cartels?

Anyways it sounds like you are making a case gun violence is connected to things other than the gun. And the violence is a symptom of an underlying cause.

 

[boomerang]

I not comfortable with you having a gun. Was that your real question?

No, my question is, are you comfortable having a President that the left and the media have labeled a Fascist Dictator in charge of all the guns?

It's a simple question.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No, my question is, are you comfortable having a President that the left and the media has labeled a Fascist Dictator in charge of all the guns?

It's a simple question.

I'm not comfortable with him having access to the internet.

 

[highland145]

I'm not comfortable with him having access to the internet.

Younigue? Agreed.

 

[Muse]

Time for politicians to stop talking about prayer. These people were in the midst of prayer and were mowed down. What did it do for them?

Prayer is for citizens. Politicians need to get off their hypocritical asses and do something about guns.

Agreed. The POTUS's initial reaction (that birdbrain relies on his tweets, largely because he's himself mentally defective in his own way and unable to change his habits, but this was probably in front of a camera) was to assure his base that guns will not be blamed for this, but mentally unstable personalities. The connection between gun availability and mass murders is obvious but the hypocrit-in-chief, as you would expect, denies the obvious so his deniers can remain comfortable. The USA is not doing well in the 21st century.

 

[woolfe9998]

No, my question is, are you comfortable having a President that the left and the media has labeled a Fascist Dictator in charge of all the guns?

It's a simple question.

No, I'm not comfortable with him being the POTUS at all. I'm especially concerned about him having the launch codes for all our nukes. Next to that, him having all the guns is a trivial concern. He isn't likely to succeed in becoming a dictator because of the checks and balances in our system, but either way, we aren't going to protect ourselves from a fascist takeover with our personal gun collections. Your argument doesn't hold well against people on the left because we aren't the ones who actually think we can resist government tyranny with our own guns.

 

[Jhhnn]

Easy access, as in when our federal govt sends them to the cartels?

Anyways it sounds like you are making a case gun violence is connected to things other than the gun. And the violence is a symptom of an underlying cause.

"Sends" isn't the right term & you know it. In fast & furious, BATFE agents gathered evidence & submitted it to Dennis Burke, the pro-gun US attorney in Arizona, who refused to act on it until a border agent was killed. He resigned in disgrace.

 

[boomerang]

No, I'm not comfortable with him being the POTUS at all. I'm especially concerned about him having the launch codes for all our nukes. Next to that, him having all the guns is a trivial concern. He isn't likely to succeed in becoming a dictator because of the checks and balances in our system, but either way, we aren't going to protect ourselves from a fascist takeover with our personal gun collections. Your argument doesn't hold well against people on the left because we aren't the ones who actually think we can resist government tyranny with our own guns.

When you started out with the nuke launch codes I instantly know that everything else you've said has no substance. The notion that one person can launch nukes is sophomoric.

Share this stuff with your therapist who is sworn to keep your conversations private. Putting thoughts like those out for everyone to see is a mistake. It's too bad you aren't able to grasp that.

 

[woolfe9998]

When you started out with the nuke launch codes I instantly know that everything else you've said has no substance. The notion that one person can launch nukes is sophomoric.

Share this stuff with your therapist who is sworn to keep your conversations private. Putting thoughts like those out for everyone to see is a mistake. It's too bad you aren't able to grasp that.

The POTUS doesn't need Congressional approval for a one-off nuclear strike.

That said, I'm not that worried about it, certainly not enough to bother with therapy, LOL. I'd just rather a pathological narcissist not have the nuclear codes.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

When you started out with the nuke launch codes I instantly know that everything else you've said has no substance. The notion that one person can launch nukes is sophomoric.

Share this stuff with your therapist who is sworn to keep your conversations private. Putting thoughts like those out for everyone to see is a mistake. It's too bad you aren't able to grasp that.

Once the President has decided the only thing that will prevent a launch is if parties in the chain of command refuse to do their duties they are bound to. They would then be relieved and immediately become irrelevant.

 

[woolfe9998]

Shooter had an argument with his mother-in-law and had evidently threatened her recently. She was a member of this church, but not in attendance on the day in question.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41892838

Sounds like this might have been personal, but questions remain over why he would target her in church as opposed to somewhere else, and why he went ahead and slaughtered a bunch of people after discovering she wasn't even there.

 

[Sunburn74]

No, my question is, are you comfortable having a President that the left and the media have labeled a Fascist Dictator in charge of all the guns?

It's a simple question.

Yes. It's an illusion to think small groups of people with guns will make any sort of difference and revolutions all over the world have occurred without the need for arming the entire populace either.

In general soldiers and generals don't like shooting civilians and can ignore orders or override orders and in times of war and revolution guns find their way into regions of conflict anyway despite whatever laws exist.

But regardless no one is saying get rid of all the guns. Just the ones that can kill large groups of people rapidly and which have no role in self defense or hunting.

 

[Younigue]

Lol...Trump is still regurgitating the "it's to soon to talk about this" Shtick.

Surprised we didn't get a word salad similar to: "I send both my thoughts and my prayers, the best thoughts and prayers ever, out to those effected by this latest unpredictable, inevitable shooting that we can't do anything about. Now as constitution supporting Americans they knew what the founding fathers' signed them up for, but I guess it still hurts. So we condemn, in the strongest possible terms this act of violence on many sides, on many sides"...

And some of the mass murdering terrorists are fine men?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

but questions remain over why he would target her in church as opposed to somewhere else, and why he went ahead and slaughtered a bunch of people after discovering she wasn't even there.

Hard to find logic in insanity. He made a decision to murder a bunch of people, not sure his mentality went a whole lot beyond that in the moment, and he clearly didn't have a plan after considering he meandered to the next county over before (seemingly) killing himself.

 

[Younigue]

No, my question is, are you comfortable having a President that the left and the media have labeled a Fascist Dictator in charge of all the guns?

It's a simple question.

From a simple person, got it.

Trump is a mistake and must be removed. I fully expect that to take place before (or simultaneously if my fantasy of no guns were to come true) guns are removed.

Thankfully one of those things will come true! That being said, guns suck as much as Trump and they are equally a problem for the country.

Answer me this: This douche thing you got going on... Married to it or do you hope to one day be a better person? Stop hoping, start doing, if it's the latter.

 

[bradly1101]

Not with easy access to firearms & ammo right across the border in the USA. AR pattern carbines are the weapon of choice for Mexican cartels. They're near perfect for the purposes of murderous thugs everywhere & not much use for anything else other than as playthings & fantasy fetishes.

Our ill-advised stupidity is leaky.

 

[Younigue]

When you started out with the nuke launch codes I instantly know that everything else you've said has no substance. The notion that one person can launch nukes is sophomoric.

Share this stuff with your therapist who is sworn to keep your conversations private. Putting thoughts like those out for everyone to see is a mistake. It's too bad you aren't able to grasp that.

Hysterical especially when one takes in to consideration you grasp nothing but your obviously disappointing manhood or your compensating gun [rights]. That's where it stops eh? Frustrating for ya?

 

[BoomerD]

No he's right. Thy now say it was a bad conduct discharge. So even though he was court marriages and spent a year in the brig for domestic violence it didn't immediately disqualify him.

OK, that's the second time you said that...Either you don't know what the fuck you're talking about...or your phone's auto-correct is messin with you...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

OK, that's the second time you said that...Either you don't know what the fuck you're talking about...or your phone's auto-correct is messin with you...

That's why you don't type and drive... on the busiest highway in the country.....

 

[bradly1101]

Go read about Mexico and how defacto banning of guns hasn't stopped gun violence.

Without loose American gun policies (aside from stupidly trying to distribute them as a way to catch criminals), would crime in Mexico be the same animal it is now? Would it be here?

 

[highland145]

That's why you don't type and drive... on the busiest highway in the country.....

Menace.

 

[vailr]

Where this deranged shooter may have gotten his plot idea from?
In Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Parts 1 & 2" film, a very similar type of small rural Texas church "shoot-em-up" scene was shown, and was depicted as located near El Paso, Texas.
I'm thinking that this Devin Kelly shooter guy may have owned a DVD copy of that film.

 

[BoomerD]

That's why you don't type and drive... on the busiest highway in the country.....

Yeah....I'd think that typos wouldn't really be the reason I would choose to not type while driving...leven on a quiet country road...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yeah....I'd think that typos wouldn't really be the reason I would choose to not type while driving...leven on a quiet country road...

yeah I won't be doing that again. It's not normal conduct! And I lied. It's the busiest in North America!

Good old 401!