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Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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IHateMyJob2004 said:
Breaking Bad has ruined TV for ever. It is the perfect TV series. 5 seasons of pure god damned perfection.
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Yes for someone like me who has always been into movies but never into TV, having watched Breaking Bad, it is all downhill from here. It is like reading an excellent book....and then anything you read after it, it just doesn't appeal to you much.
 
GinormousNG said:
I just finished watching BB again and I can't help but wonder if Walt ever cared about Jesse.
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Sure. In Walt's own unique way he cared about Jesse. He risked his life and his freedom to help Jesse on several occasions. His life might have turned out a lot better if he had let Gus get rid of Jesse when Jesse was feuding with the dealers that killed Combo and Tomas.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Sure. In Walt's own unique way he cared about Jesse. He risked his life and his freedom to help Jesse on several occasions. His life might have turned out a lot better if he had let Gus get rid of Jesse when Jesse was feuding with the dealers that killed Combo and Tomas.
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The way I see it is that Walt only cared about himself. I believe he also confessed that to skyler. If anyone got in the way of his business, he would have killed them even Hank. When I rewatch the scene in which hank dies, I can't help but think that Walt subconsciously let him die. Walt didn't use his usual excuses to get it of the situation because he could have easily said that Hank was his DEA informant.
 
GinormousNG said:
The way I see it is that Walt only cared about himself. I believe he also confessed that to skyler. If anyone got in the way of his business, he would have killed them even Hank. When I rewatch the scene in which hank dies, I can't help but think that Walt subconsciously let him die. Walt didn't use his usual excuses to get it of the situation because he could have easily said that Hank was his DEA informant.
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In the very end Walt became Walt again, he did do many things as a selfish prick, but in the end, did the right thing. He saved Jesse, and made sure his family got the money, so I disagree about him not caring for Jesse.
 
GinormousNG said:
The way I see it is that Walt only cared about himself. I believe he also confessed that to skyler. If anyone got in the way of his business, he would have killed them even Hank. When I rewatch the scene in which hank dies, I can't help but think that Walt subconsciously let him die. Walt didn't use his usual excuses to get it of the situation because he could have easily said that Hank was his DEA informant.
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No. Walt confessed to Skyler that he did everything for himself rather than to provide for her and the kids. He liked the power and the excitement. That's a big difference. At the beginning Walt most definitely used Jesse and mostly loathed him. Jesse was his entry into the business and Walt needed him as a gopher, a 2nd pair of hands and for his contacts. At the end Walt used Jesse against Gus and against Mike and for his own selfish reasons. But in the middle he was genuinely fond of him. It was like a father/son relationship, Jesse sometimes drove him crazy and could disappoint Walt like nobody else on earth, but you keep overlooking the fact that Walt killed to protect Jesse and put his own life in SERIOUS jeopardy to protect Jesse. When the chips were down, he cared. His whole plan for attacking the Aryans changed when he discovered that Jesse was a captive rather than a willing accomplice. He protected Jesse then too.

And that crap about Hank is pure nonsense. Walt tried to save him, but even Hank knew there was no chance in hell Jack and the Aryans would let him live.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
No. Walt confessed to Skyler that he did everything for himself rather than to provide for her and the kids. He liked the power and the excitement. That's a big difference.
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Exactly, he confessed that it was all about himself and this includes his relationship with Jesse.


At the beginning Walt most definitely used Jesse and mostly loathed him. Jesse was his entry into the business and Walt needed him as a gopher, a 2nd pair of hands and for his contacts. At the end Walt used Jesse against Gus and against Mike and for his own selfish reasons. But in the middle he was genuinely fond of him. It was like a father/son relationship, Jesse sometimes drove him crazy and could disappoint Walt like nobody else on earth, but you keep overlooking the fact that Walt killed to protect Jesse and put his own life in SERIOUS jeopardy to protect Jesse. When the chips were down, he cared. His whole plan for attacking the Aryans changed when he discovered that Jesse was a captive rather than a willing accomplice. He protected Jesse then too.
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I don't know many fathers that would actually try to murder their sons, so that's a bit of a stretch claiming that it was a father/son relationship. Walt didn't kill to protect Jesse. He killed to protect himself. During the episode before that one or maybe it was that episode, Walt had just found out that he would have to work as Gus's permanent cook forever and Walt was under the impression that if he ever tried to leave, he would be dead.

I don't know if you remember but there was a scene where Walt almost drove directly into an 18 wheeler right after he found out the news that he was on an extended contract with Gus for about 15 mill a year, a position he felt that he had no choice but to take. In addition to that, Walt and Jesse were purely coworkers the entire season. Never once did they hang out after work. The only time that they did hang out was when Jesse emphatically stressed that they needed to get a drink at a bar after work to plan the killing of the drug dealers. At the time Walt didn't know this and was worried about another problem as I mentioned earlier, that he unwilling became the permanent employee of Gus. Keeping Jesse alive by killing those drug dealers was Walt's only upper hand against Gus and that's why he did it.

He only protected Jesse from Aryans because he finally realized that it was not Jesse's fault for why Hank died. When I re-watched the entire series, it was always Walt asking for more and dragging Jesse along, he could never have enough. When Walt finally realized that everything bad that had happened in his life was his fault, he no longer blamed Jesse which is why he came back for him. Technically he didn't come back for Jesse, he just didn't want Jesse to be another tragic victim of Walt's greed, as his greed cost him his family. During the finale he was taking responsibility for everything as can be seen in the final confession he gave to Skylar. Everything he did was for himself. You can't be more clear than that.

And that crap about Hank is pure nonsense. Walt tried to save him, but even Hank knew there was no chance in hell Jack and the Aryans would let him live.
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When it comes to Hank, Walt subconsciously does things. This can be seen when Walt was drunk and hinted that the chemist Hank was looking for is not G.B. as G.B. was just copying someone else's work. I believe there was also one more thing that Walt did subconsciously with hank, just can't think of it at the moment.

Anyway, even though he cared about Hank, he cared more about himself and choose himself over Hank. Even though he didn't come out and directly say it, his actions plays well into what he was really thinking. He could have easily talked his way out of that situation by claiming Hank was his informant. Right after the death of Hank, be blamed Jesse and not himself so this plays well into his state of mind during this moment, that he was still thinking about himself. When he met up with his wife after the death of hank, he was still blaming someone other than himself. The entire time, he was thinking about himself. That was his state of mind. He cared more about himself than Hank. Obviously, you don't see it this way but that's how I saw things playing out.
 
The show raises some very deep questions about morality, self-justification, karma, wealth and many other profound themes. It all depends on the viewer, whether they see it as a thriller/crime show, or something much deeper.

As the show's creator says:

‘I want to believe there’s a heaven. But I can’t not believe there’s a hell.’
 
squarecut1 said:
Yes for someone like me who has always been into movies but never into TV, having watched Breaking Bad, it is all downhill from here. It is like reading an excellent book....and then anything you read after it, it just doesn't appeal to you much.
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So I have tried to watch several well known shows after Breaking Bad. Most of them have been entirely unbearable, and have reminded me why I never cared for TV shows.

Couple of others (True Detective, Game of Thrones) have been better, but nothing has come even come close to the brilliance and excellence of Breaking Bad. It is truly in a class of its own.
 
Printer Bandit said:
think of how much more awesome Breaking Bad would have been if it was on HBO or Showtime.
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Would it have been better? Maybe boobs and language are a crutch, an easy go-to when you don't have any better ideas. I can't think of any aspect of BB that could have been improved with a gratuitous topless shot.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Would it have been better? Maybe boobs and language are a crutch, an easy go-to when you don't have any better ideas. I can't think of any aspect of BB that could have been improved with a gratuitous topless shot.
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Absolutely. One of many ways in which BB stands out from other shows is that it didn't need any clutches of nudity, sex or more graphic violence.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Would it have been better? Maybe boobs and language are a crutch, an easy go-to when you don't have any better ideas. I can't think of any aspect of BB that could have been improved with a gratuitous topless shot.
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I agree on all counts. For my personal sensibilities, BB was the finest televised drama ever aired, by quite a margin, so I am wary of presuming that I would have liked it better had it aired on a pay network. It was very nearly perfect as-is.

There was quite a bit of violence and profanity on the show (including at least two fucks - "Fuck you, Gretchen!" and "I fucked Ted"), and one pair of boobs used for comic relief (in the pilot, when Jesse made his first appearance climbing out the window of the married woman he was screwing). I don't think the show would have benefitted from more of this. Interestingly, Bryan Cranston pitched the idea of having Walt cheat on Skyler, but on balance I can't imagine how that would made made the show better.

I also think in some ways the show was helped by being on a network with commercials. This meant that each episode was what, 42 minutes long instead of an hour. While I'm sure Gilligan could have used the whole hour, the shorter duration makes it easier to maintain a quick pace. With only a few exceptions (e.g., Bug), I always really admired the pacing of BB.
 
Just finished the series. Jaw is still dropped. That was...bananas.

I'm still mad that Walt killed Mike. I liked Mike 🙁
 
Anyone run into Metastasis while flipping through the channels?

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i start watching and it's not even a remake, it's just breaking bad with actors that speak spanish

-same intro with slightly different music
-'created by vince gilligan'
in just one episode there was
-elliot & gretchen party where walt gives him ramen
-intervention with the pillow (marie in purple of course)
-jr eatin' breakfast, same stutter and crutches
-jesse kicks badger out of a bad cook in the bus

major changes :colbert:
-walt jr is busted at a strip club with his bud
-jesse and badger cooking in a old bus

lol this can't be better than a dub for sony
 
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