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Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

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He should have taken the glass with him or at the very least wiped the prints from it and the phone. Hell, for all the cops knew when they got there and found nothing it could have been a prank call.

He wanted them to know it was really him, that he was still alive and important.

All he has left is his rage and thirst for revenge, family is out of the picture. He's slowly dying and knows it so he's going to settle some scores before he goes out.
 
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Here goes...

I already said Jesse was a means to an end for him, but at the end of the day he did still save his life. As for him being tortured, for Todd is was all a ploy to get him to cook, but the other men don't know that and really would be concerned about what he told the DEA, so who knows who did that to Jesse, I find it rather odd that Todd would torture him then later give him ice cream and basically baby Jesse up the ladder into their lab. Yeah he had the shit kicked out of him at that point but could obviously still walk and climb. I think you're wrong though, it was Todd's idea to leave the money for Walt, we see Todd talking to Jack and Jack tapping Todd's cheek like in agreement before he gives the order to remove a barrel. This plays to me like Todd had to convince Jack to do so as Todd kept looking back on Walt in worry. Besides, why would Jack care about leaving him anything? He already proved by executing Hank that he has little regard for Walt's situation. Todd's the one who respects Walt and would want him left with something, yeah his "sorry for your loss" was cold but what's he going to do? His uncle is the boss. He respects Walt and could tell losing someone like Hank petrified him, so I'd say he really was sorry for what happened to Hank.



Not equating murders just saying he was innocent too and like Drew Sharp his murder was based on having to make a snap decision based on an unexpected situation. Jesse wasn't going to kill Gale after all it was supposed to be Walt, but killing Gale only saved Walt not both of them like you say, Gus had no idea where Jesse was and doing so took him out of hiding and put him in danger. But by your logic because Todd didn't have tears in his eyes or mope around like a zombie for most of a season that he didn't feel remorse for killing Drew Sharp? Just because he doesn't regret it doesn't mean it didn't make him feel bad. He explained his side to the 3 of them after it happened and Mike and Walt, both who have children, thought it was good enough and agreed to let him stay on, mind you his uncle wasn't even a thought at this point, they had no real reason to keep him on other then so they didn't have to kill him. They gave him an order that no one could know what they did, it was him looking out for himself AND the others in a sense plus following their orders, so I believe you're mis-categorizing killing Drew Sharp under "selfish reasons", he was a reaction killing and Andrea was a punishment killing. Walt killing Gus and Mike were more "selfish" killings. Plus I think you're wrong about the reaction he had when Jesse talked about the Sharp killing on video, I'll have to re-watch it but last night I could swear he had a look of concern over them killing Jesse more than anything, not pride. Dude has such a stone face I think I would have noticed a smile.

All that being said, we're debating the mentality and questionable morals of a fictional character in a show full of flawed ones, I'll take a contrarian stance on Todd for now but after next week I may go the other way, we shall see.

EDIT: Just re-watched, forgot how early on this happened, but no way Todd smiles during the Jesse video, he's eating something and is still chewing it in his mouth when this goes on and is totally :| the entire time. FWIW

I agree with most of this except when you said Walt killing Gus was more for selfish reasons. I agree that Mike was, but Gus was not. Gus' killing was an absolute necessity, it was kill or be killed at that point. He didn't just do it out of rage like Mike, i.e. impulsive. Gus' death was carefully premeditated and if he didn't do it, he and everyone he knew would be taken out by Gus.
 
I agree with most of this except when you said Walt killing Gus was more for selfish reasons. I agree that Mike was, but Gus was not. Gus' killing was an absolute necessity, it was kill or be killed at that point. He didn't just do it out of rage like Mike, i.e. impulsive. Gus' death was carefully premeditated and if he didn't do it, he and everyone he knew would be taken out by Gus.

The Gus murder is a tough call for me. I think Walt was safe from Gus if he had just walked away and let Jesse run the show after he got "fired". I say paranoia got the best of him and because he couldn't simply run away with the money at that point he stood his ground, got Jesse on his side, and bit the bullet in trying to kill him. The scene in the desert made me think Gus was offering Walt a way out though.
 
The Gus murder is a tough call for me. I think Walt was safe from Gus if he had just walked away and let Jesse run the show after he got "fired". I say paranoia got the best of him and because he couldn't simply run away with the money at that point he stood his ground, got Jesse on his side, and bit the bullet in trying to kill him. The scene in the desert made me think Gus was offering Walt a way out though.

You're forgetting that Gus told him he would have to let Hank die in order to walk away. If Walt interfered with that, Gus told him he would kill Walt's entire family, including Skyler, Walter Jr. and Holly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9cwsKHjTEk
 
Todd must die like Jesse.

Although, Todd seems way more professional and well suited for that type of lifestyle. Jesse was a damn train wreck from day 1
 
Really? I never knew that. Interesting tidbit.

That isn't precisely true as I recall. I've heard Gilligan say they didn't know for certain whether AMC would sign up for additional seasons, so they wanted to end the season strong, but it wasn't produced with the intention of that being the end. If you think about it, season 2 ended very strong (plane collision), as did season 3 ("Half Measures," followed by the murder of Gale), season 4 (Gus) and the first half of season 5 (with Hank on the toilet). Any of those could have been series finales if necessary.
 
That isn't precisely true as I recall. I've heard Gilligan say they didn't know for certain whether AMC would sign up for additional seasons, so they wanted to end the season strong, but it wasn't produced with the intention of that being the end. If you think about it, season 2 ended very strong (plane collision), as did season 3 ("Half Measures," followed by the murder of Gale), season 4 (Gus) and the first half of season 5 (with Hank on the toilet). Any of those could have been series finales if necessary.

I heard it was suppose to be the end, but people rallying to keep it going is what made them continue. Could be rumors blowing out of proportion of course.
 
Wikipeida has the timing of contract renewals and the end of season 4. Season 4 ended on October 9. August 14 was the contract signing for season 5.

So, that's less than 2 months time. With scripts, filming, post production, etc. They probably had yet to film maybe 4 episodes. The scripts were probably locked down pretty much at that point. So for all intents and purposes, they probably wrote season 4's finale as the end
 
Wikipeida has the timing of contract renewals and the end of season 4. Season 4 ended on October 9. August 14 was the contract signing for season 5.

So, that's less than 2 months time. With scripts, filming, post production, etc. They probably had yet to film maybe 4 episodes. The scripts were probably locked down pretty much at that point. So for all intents and purposes, they probably wrote season 4's finale as the end

I've heard Gilligan talk specifically about this. He has said he wanted an episode which could, if necessary, serve as the series finale, but it was not created with the intention that it would be the finale. Sony Pictures intended to continue with the show by, if necessary, shopping it to other networks. Gilligan was not intending that episode to be the end - that was just a contingency plan if they couldn't get AMC or someone else to pick up the show.
 
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