Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

[BrokenVisage]

He knows that Brock wasn't poisoned with ricin, but at the time Walt wanted Jesse to think Brock was poisoned by ricin and that Gus was the guy who did it. But now when he realizes that Saul had something to do with the ricin that is why he went there first and then Saul ratted out Walt.

Also - did Jesse have cig's in his pocket, or did Huell take the weed and replace it with smokes? But either way that whole process is what made things click for Jesse.

I think it worked like this: cigs in one pocket, weed in the other, Huell went for the wrong pocket first and crushed the cig box

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

He knows that Brock wasn't poisoned with ricin, but at the time Walt wanted Jesse to think Brock was poisoned by ricin and that Gus was the guy who did it. But now when he realizes that Saul had something to do with the ricin that is why he went there first and then Saul ratted out Walt.

Also - did Jesse have cig's in his pocket, or did Huell take the weed and replace it with smokes? But either way that whole process is what made things click for Jesse.

I understand and agree with all of that, but the reason he is so livid with Walt is specifically that he now believes,correctly, that Walt poisoned Brock.

Jesse had the cigarettes the entire time. What I need to go back and watch to see is whether he put the bag of weed in the cigarette box at Saul's office (I expect he did). Obviously if (improbable as it may be) Huell could swipe the cigarettes, take out the weed, and put the cigarettes back, he could have done (and in fact did do) the same with the ricin cigarette.

 

[sze5003]

Looking back I see why Jesse made the connection to his rage. As you guys have said he came looking for Walt at gun point when he realized in season 4 that his ricin cigarette was taken. Huell took his cigarette and weed and that's what made him snap and return to Saul. He wanted to know why he took it.

We don't necessarily know why Walt had Saul take the cig from him this season.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Looking back I see why Jesse made the connection to his rage. As you guys have said he came looking for Walt at gun point when he realized in season 4 that his ricin cigarette was taken. Huell took his cigarette and weed and that's what made him snap and return to Saul. He wanted to know why he took it.

We don't necessarily know why Walt had Saul take the cig from him this season.

There is no ricin cigarette this season, it was all about Jesse realizing he had his pockets picked and his distrust in Walt being at an all-time high, also knowing Saul is scared to death of Walt now and is in his pocket at this point, as dumb as Jesse is he made the connection that the lost ricin cigarette was another example of him being worked by Walt and Walt taking advantage of his weakest spot.

 

[Chiropteran]

RE: cliffhanger ending

Not really. We know Jesse doesn't burn down, because they already showed in the future Walter entering his house to get the ricin cigarette.

That is true. But why does he stop? The boring thing would be Jesse just coming to his senses and realizing it was a dumb move and leaving. More exciting would be a confrontation with Walt, or Skyler, or Walt Jr even. That is why it's a cliffhanger, IMO.

 

[purbeast0]

RE: cliffhanger ending


That is true. But why does he stop? The boring thing would be Jesse just coming to his senses and realizing it was a dumb move and leaving. More exciting would be a confrontation with Walt, or Skyler, or Walt Jr even. That is why it's a cliffhanger, IMO.

i just REALLY hope that it's not a confrontation with walt and walt "talks him out of it" or something like that, telling him more lies. would be really jacked up if skyler or walt jr. walk in on him and kill him!

 

[OCGuy]

Is this where Jr. finally gets to try for a 2014 emmy award? I believe he was at the house. Or wait his car wasn't there...hmmm.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

i just REALLY hope that it's not a confrontation with walt and walt "talks him out of it" or something like that, telling him more lies. would be really jacked up if skyler or walt jr. walk in on him and kill him!

I got it figured out, the next door neighbor Carol is the king pin behind it all. She freaks out in the flash forward cause Walt is coming to kill her. :biggrin:

 

[OCGuy]

I thought the brilliance that was the confession-tape moment was ruined by the Jesse freak-out at the end.

2nd "Will Jesse blow it for Walt?" cliffhanger in a row. :/

 

[PottedMeat]

i just REALLY hope that it's not a confrontation with walt and walt "talks him out of it" or something like that, telling him more lies. would be really jacked up if skyler or walt jr. walk in on him and kill him!

i don't think there's any way for walt to talk his way out of this given that saul admitted to walts involvement in the poisoning.


...maybe hank 'going out for a walk' means he's going to confront walt but runs into jesse instead.

 

[NuclearNed]

Nobody has discussed the call that Todd made to Walt. I'm pretty sure that scene is very important & intentionally added to the episode...

 

[BrokenVisage]

Nobody has discussed the call that Todd made to Walt. I'm pretty sure that scene is very important & intentionally added to the episode...

I don't think so, he's just keeping Walt in the loop, and advancing the story-line that Todd will start making blue meth routinely.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Nobody has discussed the call that Todd made to Walt. I'm pretty sure that scene is very important & intentionally added to the episode...

I imagine you're right. Actually, much as I think Walt would really rather not kill Jesse, if he feels he has to to protect himself and his family, it might make sense to enlist Todd's uncle again, and the uncle's crew would presumably demand, in return, that Walt return to give Todd some refresher training.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't think so, he's just keeping Walt in the loop, and advancing the story-line that Todd will start making blue meth routinely.

The problem is that, as we learned last week, Todd tried to make the blue meth. His product was only something like 71 percent pure, and he started a fire the last time he tried. Walt would still have great value to Todd and his uncle's crew.

 

[NuclearNed]

I don't think so, he's just keeping Walt in the loop, and advancing the story-line that Todd will start making blue meth routinely.

I think he's keeping Walt in the loop for an important reason... specifically, Walt isn't truly "out", at least not entirely

 

[thing1thing2]

Sorry for being dense about this but I still don't get jesse's blow up.

So I understand that he realizes that it was Huell who took the ricin cig. from saul/walt's instruction. Is he pissed because

He realizes how much he was played by Walt, eg. the scene where Walt and Jesse were both looking for the ricin at his house. Guess there was a tiny part of Jesse that believe Walt still cared, but this took that all away and realized he was played by Walt the entire time.

I don't recall, but after Jesse realized that Brock was not poison by ricin, what was he's reaction? Also, what did Walt ask Jesse to do by convincing him that Gus was the on that poisoned Brock. I was imagine that Jesse would know Walt was lying after realizing Brock was not poison by ricin as Walt had said.

 

[BrokenVisage]

The problem is that, as we learned last week, Todd tried to make the blue meth. His product was only something like 71 percent pure, and he started a fire the last time he tried. Walt would still have great value to Todd and his uncle's crew.

That's just a Lydia problem right now though, not a Todd & Company problem. We don't know that Todd knows Lydia's Czech buyer is a purity stickler, 71 percent probably isn't going to cut it, but as the story progresses we'll see if that comes to a head.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I think he's keeping Walt in the loop for an important reason... specifically, Walt isn't truly "out", at least not entirely

But if he wasn't out Lydia wouldn't have had to proposition him. It's been a month since he supposedly quit, which I believe he did do now, so maybe Todd is testing the waters to see if he's unhappy and wants back in, that's as far as I'm willing to take the phone call, I still think he's just keeping him apprised.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Sorry for being dense about this but I still don't get jesse's blow up.

So I understand that he realizes that it was Huell who took the ricin cig. from saul/walt's instruction. Is he pissed because

He realizes how much he was played by Walt, eg. the scene where Walt and Jesse were both looking for the ricin at his house. Guess there was a tiny part of Jesse that believe Walt still cared, but this took that all away and realized he was played by Walt the entire time.

I don't recall, but after Jesse realized that Brock was not poison by ricin, what was he's reaction? Also, what did Walt ask Jesse to do by convincing him that Gus was the on that poisoned Brock. I was imagine that Jesse would know Walt was lying after realizing Brock was not poison by ricin as Walt had said.

Gus tolerated the use of kids to sell drugs, we don't know if he had anything to do with Andrea's nephew being killed but it was his dealers acting on someones orders, you would think Gus authorized it but we'll never know. Walt threw that and some other stuff at him while he feigned having an epiphany about the whole thing in trying to convince Jesse that Gus was turning him against Walt so either he wouldn't have a problem turning his back to cook without him or at best wouldn't care that they killed him. He tries to make Jesse see that he doesn't care about kids and it wouldn't be beneath him to poison one and make it look like Walt was behind it.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

She's scared to death of him. She's considered leaving before (remember her standing on the Four Corners Monument?), but is too afraid.
Of course she's tried. She even got them over to her sister's for a while.
Maybe YOU don't think she's playing the part well. Apparently the creators don't feel the same way... Nor do those who nominated her for an Emmy.

I'm not sure what you think Skylar should do. Of course she hates what Walt is doing, and the danger he's put the family in. But he's too deep, and she just doesn't have many choices. Especially considering the predicament she (and Ted) got herself into.

1) She didn't try. She faked trying. If she tried she would have gotten away and been caught. What she did was like a "suicide" attempt where the person holds up a knife to their wrist for 2 seconds and then puts it away without making a cut. She had the motive, the opportunity and the financial freedom to escape and WILLINGLY went back. And you call that trying? ROFL!

2) Yeah, she had the kids away. And she brought them right back to live with a person that she's afraid of? Seriously, do you even listen to yourself? If she wanted the kids away from Walt they would BE away from Walt. Again, she had the money and the opportunity to get them completely, 100% safe. And again, she WILLINGLY took them back into the home of a known murderer.

3) She's nominated on the coat tails of Cranston, Aaron Paul, Vince Gilligan and the show. BB has so much buzz at the moment that the freaking M-60 in the trunk would have gotten nominated if the Emmy Awards had a category it fit into.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Sorry for being dense about this but I still don't get jesse's blow up.

So I understand that he realizes that it was Huell who took the ricin cig. from saul/walt's instruction. Is he pissed because

He realizes how much he was played by Walt, eg. the scene where Walt and Jesse were both looking for the ricin at his house. Guess there was a tiny part of Jesse that believe Walt still cared, but this took that all away and realized he was played by Walt the entire time.

I don't recall, but after Jesse realized that Brock was not poison by ricin, what was he's reaction? Also, what did Walt ask Jesse to do by convincing him that Gus was the on that poisoned Brock. I was imagine that Jesse would know Walt was lying after realizing Brock was not poison by ricin as Walt had said.

None of the above. He is pissed because he has now figured out that Walt in fact very likely (and, as we know, did) poisoned Brock, then staged an elaborate ruse to make Jesse think Gus had.

When Jesse found out Brock was not poisoned by ricin, he was a) relieved because he was no longer the target of an investigation, and b) shaken, because he realized the main reason he had for assisting in the murder of Gus was not true. Walt reassured him that changed nothing, because Gus "had to go" regardless.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Nobody has discussed the call that Todd made to Walt. I'm pretty sure that scene is very important & intentionally added to the episode...

It's not clear yet, but that scene HAS to be important. Not just the call itself, but all the stuff inside the diner. It was such a Non sequitur that it couldn't possibly have been merely a throwaway. A lot of things could have happened there and will come into play later. The interaction with the waitress seemed forced and unnatural. There was an odd angled shot mid-scene, almost like a hidden camera in the booth. Could the men have been under observation for something else, that was their usual booth and it was wired? Could the waitress have been an undercover cop? What was the focus on wiping the blood off the shoe and showing it in the toilet not completely flushing? The phone call to Walt, could it have been taped? There was a lot of potential ominous foreshadowing there.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

That's just a Lydia problem right now though, not a Todd & Company problem. We don't know that Todd knows Lydia's Czech buyer is a purity stickler, 71 percent probably isn't going to cut it, but as the story progresses we'll see if that comes to a head.

The point is that Walt can potentially help the Aryan Brotherhood guys make a shitload more money with the methylamine than they can make without him (this is, in fact, the very pitch Walt successfully made to Declan - "say my name!"). Presumably they don't care a great deal whether they sell the meth through their own channels or whether it goes to Lydia, but they probably do care about maximizing their profits. Potentially if they could make the 99.1% pure meth with Walt's help they might be able to cut a better deal with the increasingly desperate Lydia.

Whatever the mechanics turn out to be, I can guarantee you we will see more interaction (perhaps even the show's final showdown) between the Aryans and Walt. It's even possible the reason Walt comes back from NH is to protect Hank or even Jesse from them in a last-ditch effort to end his life on a morally positive note.

 

[purbeast0]

It's not clear yet, but that scene HAS to be important. Not just the call itself, but all the stuff inside the diner. It was such a Non sequitur that it couldn't possibly have been merely a throwaway. A lot of things could have happened there and will come into play later. The interaction with the waitress seemed forced and unnatural. There was an odd angled shot mid-scene, almost like a hidden camera in the booth. Could the men have been under observation for something else, that was their usual booth and it was wired? Could the waitress have been an undercover cop? What was the focus on wiping the blood off the shoe and showing it in the toilet not completely flushing? The phone call to Walt, could it have been taped? There was a lot of potential ominous foreshadowing there.

the whole blood on the shoe thing i personally took as them showing the audience that this crew isn't quite as clean as they think they are, which is the total opposite of how walt runs his operation.

as far as the waitress, yeah there was definitely some odd interaction there. but i kinda took it more of that they would be silent when she was around, then chat it up when she walked away, which made for awkwardness when she was there.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

the whole blood on the shoe thing i personally took as them showing the audience that this crew isn't quite as clean as they think they are, which is the total opposite of how walt runs his operation.

as far as the waitress, yeah there was definitely some odd interaction there. but i kinda took it more of that they would be silent when she was around, then chat it up when she walked away, which made for awkwardness when she was there.

Possibly. It clearly shows that they're not very careful. They're talking too loudly in public places and not doing enough to cover their tracks. Maybe the blood on the towel in the toilet is only a red herring, but it was shown for a reason. Even if it isn't found it *could* have been found.

It also shows that they're moving back to New Mexico from Arizona. I imagine that's going to be important too.