Breaking Bad Season 5 - Official Discussion Thread

[nageov3t]

I was drifting in and out.. someone help me understand few things tonight:

1. What was the whole point of the opening scene- Walt's new young assistant and his uncle and another thug. Was it just implying that they want to cut Walt out now that the kid can cook? But then Walt HAS been out. The whole diner scene was strangely long and I must've missed the point.

2. What did Jesse realize before hopping on the car? Did he realize the relocation guy was actually a hitman to kill Jesse? Or Saul planted the ricin in Jesse's cig? I can't think today.

The show is staying grounded so far... except Skyler. Her character makes no sense. She was dead opposed to Walt's secret life, then she was indifferent, and now she SUPPORTS Walt framing Hank and destroying the lives of Hank and her dear sister Marie? wtf.

I wondered if they're setting it up to the point where the kid talks up Heisenberg so much that his bosses they need Heisenberg back in the game (assuming the flashforward was Walt gearing up to fight them)

 

[Anubis]

pretty sure brock didnt die

 

[Rudee]

That cliffhanger ending...

Not really. We know Jesse doesn't burn down, because they already showed in the future Walter entering his house to get the ricin cigarette.

 

[mugs]

Brock didn't die from ricin...

Remember doctors confirmed that Brock died from Lily of the Valley?

If so.. tonight's ending is a huge continuity error.

No continuity error. Walt had Huell steal the ricin from Jesse so he could convince him that Gus had poisoned Brock to set Walt up, and Jesse would then turn on Gus. He had in fact poisoned him with lily of the valley so after it was all over it would seem like an accident.

And he didn't die.

 

[mugs]

Speaking of the opening, I don't think that bloody paper towel went down the toilet, and I think that will come up again.

 

[Rudee]

.. nm

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Speaking of the opening, I don't think that bloody paper towel went down the toilet, and I think that will come up again.

I thought about that also, I cant decide if its going to lead to anything.

 

[Udgnim]

I thought about that also, I cant decide if its going to lead to anything.

it will lead to something although it should not

who's going to try to fish out a bloody paper towel and keep it instead of trying to flush it down or throw it in the trash

 

[Udgnim]

2. What did Jesse realize before hopping on the car? Did he realize the relocation guy was actually a hitman to kill Jesse? Or Saul planted the ricin in Jesse's cig? I can't think today.

The show is staying grounded so far... except Skyler. Her character makes no sense. She was dead opposed to Walt's secret life, then she was indifferent, and now she SUPPORTS Walt framing Hank and destroying the lives of Hank and her dear sister Marie? wtf.

2.

http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/1l3exa/spoilers_a_full_backstory_and_timeline_to_the/

Skyler

she's a woman & she felt like Hank was attempting to use her & she's been with Walt through so much shit that she probably believes Walt will just find a way to get through it again

 

[mugs]

it will lead to something although it should not

who's going to try to fish out a bloody paper towel and keep it instead of trying to flush it down or throw it in the trash

Maybe the waitress overheard something. Her interaction with them seemed awkward.

 

[ShagglestheLion]

having a hard time getting into game of thrones.

maybe it's not the right time.

brb.

netflix.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Brock didn't die from ricin...

Remember doctors confirmed that Brock died from Lily of the Valley?

If so.. tonight's ending is a huge continuity error.

Brock didn't die.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I was drifting in and out.. someone help me understand few things tonight:

1. What was the whole point of the opening scene- Walt's new young assistant and his uncle and another thug. Was it just implying that they want to cut Walt out now that the kid can cook? But then Walt HAS been out. The whole diner scene was strangely long and I must've missed the point.

2. What did Jesse realize before hopping on the car? Did he realize the relocation guy was actually a hitman to kill Jesse? Or Saul planted the ricin in Jesse's cig? I can't think today.

The show is staying grounded so far... except Skyler. Her character makes no sense. She was dead opposed to Walt's secret life, then she was indifferent, and now she SUPPORTS Walt framing Hank and destroying the lives of Hank and her dear sister Marie? wtf.

1. The diner scene set up Todd cooking meth for his uncle. Did you notice the pickup rolling down the road at the end of the scene towing a large container. Guess what was in that container?

2. Jesse realized that Huell hoisted his cigs (with the ricin) originally, then confronts Sal who basically tells him it was Walt's plan to turn him against Gus.

 

[Gibsons]

1. The diner scene set up Todd cooking meth for his uncle. Did you notice the pickup rolling down the road at the end of the scene towing a large container. Guess what was in that container?

2. Jesse realized that Huell hoisted his cigs (with the ricin) originally, then confronts Sal who basically tells him it was Walt's plan to turn him against Gus.

Yeah, he originally couldn't figure out how the ricin cig went missing. Then when his stash was missing, he figured Huell had to have done it, without him noticing, so Huell is apparently a skilled pickpocket. lightbulb moment.

Also, I think the first scene is showing how knowledge that Walt is Heisenberg is spreading just a little. Todd didn't mention that he shot the kid, but that might come back as well.

 

[nageov3t]

 

[purbeast0]

what is that a thumbnail of?

 

[nageov3t]

what is that a thumbnail of?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/showbiz/music/miley-cyrus-mtv-vmas-gaga/?hpt=en_c2

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Brock didn't die from ricin...

Remember doctors confirmed that Brock died from Lily of the Valley?

If so.. tonight's ending is a huge continuity error.

I think you entirely missed or misunderstood the biggest surprise in Season 4.

 

[sze5003]

Brock never died he was poisoned with lily of the valley and then he was released from the hospital. Jesse didn't go to Alaska because he realized walt was still using him, for his best interest. When he realized the weed was taken from him he made the connection that his cigarette was also lifted and Saul had it taken from him due to Walt's instruction. Walt was possibly going to use the cigarette on someone and then he could have said he got it from Jesse who would no longer be found had he began a new life in Alaska.

 

[nageov3t]

2.

http://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/1l3exa/spoilers_a_full_backstory_and_timeline_to_the/

Skyler

she's a woman & she felt like Hank was attempting to use her & she's been with Walt through so much shit that she probably believes Walt will just find a way to get through it again

one thing I can't remember...

what was the reasoning behind taking the ricin cigarette from Jesse?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Brock never died he was poisoned with lily of the valley and then he was released from the hospital. Jesse didn't go to Alaska because he realized walt was still using him, for his best interest. When he realized the weed was taken from him he made the connection that his cigarette was also lifted and Saul had it taken from him due to Walt's instruction. Walt was possibly going to use the cigarette on someone and then he could have said he got it from Jesse who would no longer be found had he began a new life in Alaska.

I didn't take it that way at all. I took it that Jesse (correctly) believed that Huell took the ricin cigarette at Huell's direction and poisoned Brock himself. I don't see why your interpretation of what happened would drive Jesse into such an irrational rage that he would burn Walt's house down.

For what it's worth, I see Walt's recent behavior toward Jesse as something of a return to being Walter White and not Heisenberg. While it's certainly true that having Jesse out of the picture would serve his interests, I think he also feels fatherly toward Jesse and sincerely wants him to have a decent life. Unfortunately it's too little, too late, and the die is cast. The decisions he made as Heisenberg will make it impossible to survive, much less thrive, as Walter White.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

one thing I can't remember...

what was the reasoning behind taking the ricin cigarette from Jesse?

When he did that, Walt had no allies at all, and it appeared to be just a matter of time before Gus's henchmen killed him and likely his family too. There was a scene where Walt was sitting on his patio, spinning a revolver lying on a glass side table, basically waiting to die. Twice, it stopped pointed toward him. The third time, it pointed toward his Lily of the Valley plant. Ultimately, he decided that poisoning Brock, but leading Jesse to think Gus did it, was the only way (or at least a good way) to turn Jesse (who hated him at that point) into an ally. Walt had the cigarette taken so Jesse would initially think (as he did) that Jesse himself was accidentally responsible for the poisoning, then blame Walt.

Jesse initially thought Walt had poisoned Brock and came to kill him, but Walt talked him into believing it was Gus. Ultimately the plan worked. Jesse, who had been serving as part-time muscle for Mike and Gus, told Saul that the nursing home where Tio Salamanca lived might be a place to target Gus. Obviously it also worked in that the less-than-lethal Lily of the Valley poison didn't kill Brock.

 

[mugs]

Jesse, who had been serving as part-time muscle for Mike and Gus, told Saul that the nursing home were Tio Salamanca lived might be a place to target Gus. Obviously it also worked in that the less-than-lethal Lily of the Valley poison didn't kill Brock.

Before that Jesse and Walt tried to kill Gus at the hospital, but Gus realized something was up and left his car there.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Before that Jesse and Walt tried to kill Gus at the hospital, but Gus realized something was up and left his car there.

True, but ultimately Jesse tipped Saul to the potential of the nursing home as a location to hit Gus. They had gone there so Gus could brag about wiping out all the major players in the cartel, including Jesse himself having killed Tio's grandson (in the shootout as Jesse was driving Mike and Gus out of there).

 

[MixMasterTang]

I didn't take it that way at all. I took it that Jesse (correctly) believed that Huell took the ricin cigarette at Huell's direction and poisoned Brock himself. I don't see why your interpretation of what happened would drive Jesse into such an irrational rage that he would burn Walt's house down.

For what it's worth, I see Walt's recent behavior toward Jesse as something of a return to being Walter White and not Heisenberg. While it's certainly true that having Jesse out of the picture would serve his interests, I think he also feels fatherly toward Jesse and sincerely wants him to have a decent life. Unfortunately it's too little, too late, and the die is cast. The decisions he made as Heisenberg will make it impossible to survive, much less thrive, as Walter White.

He knows that Brock wasn't poisoned with ricin, but at the time Walt wanted Jesse to think Brock was poisoned by ricin and that Gus was the guy who did it. But now when he realizes that Saul had something to do with the ricin that is why he went there first and then Saul ratted out Walt.

Also - did Jesse have cig's in his pocket, or did Huell take the weed and replace it with smokes? But either way that whole process is what made things click for Jesse.