Bread is as addictive as heroin.

[JTsyo]

No carbs... is that even possible?

I mean 99% of the foods we eat are carbs.

So unless he is having pure protein through meat, that is an impossibility.

Paleo diet is not a no carb diet. On the paleo diet you are encouraged to eat lots of fresh fruit.

right, I should have said no processed carbs.

Wiki
Diet worked well for him.

 

[Red Storm]

I can totally believe it. I once tried to give up bread - just bread - and one week in it really did feel like withdrawal. I've since given up on completely removing bread, but I really decreased the amount of it I eat.

 

[HumblePie]

No carbs... is that even possible?

I mean 99% of the foods we eat are carbs.

So unless he is having pure protein through meat, that is an impossibility.

No carbs is easy to do. It's how I've always lost my weight. Heck, back on my carbless diet again.

I will state, everytime I start the diet, it is HARD. The first few weeks IS withdraw symptoms for sure. Mental fog, random sweats, and massive cravings. I DREAM of stuffing my face full of so much carb laden food I wake up thinking I broke my diet. I feel sluggish, weak, and am pretty grumpy.

But after 2-3 weeks that finally goes away. I actually feel MUCH better after that time frame. Seriously so. When I'm eating carbs I am constantly having problems with my GERDS for example. I have a family history of stomach problems and several family members have died from it. I got the same problem. So like them all, I am prescribed acid reducers. When I skip one of my pills, trust me I feel it. The burning, pain, and ugh....

Anyhow, when I'm carbless it all goes away. Literally. I don't need to take my pills. I never get upset stomach or acid problems at all. After the first 2-3 weeks I don't have problems with energy, mental fog, lethargy, grumpiness, or cravings (well a spike for a craving hits every once in awhile if I smell something like baking bread).

So what do I eat? Meat, cheese, and veggies. Mostly meat and veggies. Non starchy vegetables though. Broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, lettuce, celery, avocados (lots of these), and the like. I'll make a meal out of steam brussel sprouts coated in butter and bacon. YUM! I stay away from sauces that have tons of carbs as well, but there are more carb free alternatives on the market now than there used to be.

 

[darkxshade]

I honestly don't know if I'm addicted to bread. I don't crave pasta or other derivatives of wheat. Bread is different in that it's really hard to avoid since they're so versatile and easy to use when making meals. :\

 

[Gibsons]

yea... i got my equation backwards.

Sugar breaks down INTO ethanol.

My bad.

And our body treats ethanol like sugar, as in it is usable by the body providing calories for energy.

Pretty sure that's wrong too.

Sugar can be converted into glycogen or fat, or it can be burned in the tca cycle. There's also the pentose phosphate pathway, but let's not go there. Human cells don't synthesize ethanol.

Ethanol is converted to acetaldehyde, then acetic acid, then acetyl CoA. Acetyl CoA is then either burned for energy or converted into fat. As a 2 carbon molecule, it cannot be used as a source for glucose synthesis, you need a 3C (or more) molecule for that.

 

[diesbudt]

No carbs is easy to do. It's how I've always lost my weight. Heck, back on my carbless diet again.

I will state, everytime I start the diet, it is HARD. The first few weeks IS withdraw symptoms for sure. Mental fog, random sweats, and massive cravings. I DREAM of stuffing my face full of so much carb laden food I wake up thinking I broke my diet. I feel sluggish, weak, and am pretty grumpy.

But after 2-3 weeks that finally goes away. I actually feel MUCH better after that time frame. Seriously so. When I'm eating carbs I am constantly having problems with my GERDS for example. I have a family history of stomach problems and several family members have died from it. I got the same problem. So like them all, I am prescribed acid reducers. When I skip one of my pills, trust me I feel it. The burning, pain, and ugh....

Anyhow, when I'm carbless it all goes away. Literally. I don't need to take my pills. I never get upset stomach or acid problems at all. After the first 2-3 weeks I don't have problems with energy, mental fog, lethargy, grumpiness, or cravings (well a spike for a craving hits every once in awhile if I smell something like baking bread).

So what do I eat? Meat, cheese, and veggies. Mostly meat and veggies. Non starchy vegetables though. Broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, lettuce, celery, avocados (lots of these), and the like. I'll make a meal out of steam brussel sprouts coated in butter and bacon. YUM! I stay away from sauces that have tons of carbs as well, but there are more carb free alternatives on the market now than there used to be.

Cheese has carbs. Albeit few, they still do.

Veggies and fruits have nothing but carbs. However most veggies are low on the carb count.

Not like the previous poster maybe you ment processed carbs. Because carbs overall, and processed carbs are 2 different ways of saying "no carbs".

 

[diesbudt]

Pretty sure that's wrong too.

Sugar can be converted into glycogen or fat, or it can be burned in the tca cycle. There's also the pentose phosphate pathway, but let's not go there. Human cells don't synthesize ethanol.

Ethanol is converted to acetaldehyde, then acetic acid, then acetyl CoA. Acetyl CoA is then either burned for energy or converted into fat. As a 2 carbon molecule, it cannot be used as a source for glucose synthesis, you need a 3C (or more) molecule for that.

1) Sucrose (sugar) + Zymase (enzyme) --> 2 Ethanol (alcohol) + 2 carbon dioxide
[C6-H12-O6 + Zymase --> 2 C2-H5-OH + 2 CO2]

So yes sugar does break down into ethanol, not in the body normally but it does. It is how alcohol is brewed. Hence as i said I mistakenly thought it was the other way around for whatever reason.

2) I didn't say it just uses ethanol like sugar, but that ethanol is used by the body like sugar (breaking down into components it can use for energy) it is the sole reason alcohol has calories.

 

[diesbudt]

Going back to humble's comment though.

I lost all my weight creating my own diet.

I only ate around 1000-1200 calories a day, mainly consisting of healthy fish choices, along with whole wheat breads, veggies and lean meat. Snacking on frozen blueberries or strawberries. Also, 2 main components that really helped.

1) Cayenne pepper. Franks red hot (0 calories) on a lot of the meats and even broccli I ate [love this stuff], alogn with a cayenne pepper pill. (do not take this on an empty stomach)

Cayenne, slightly boosts the metabolism.

2) Multi-vitamin + 45-1hr of basic excersice daily changing it up

2a) By changing it up I mean, I will walk for an hour 1 day and then I will strength train the next and once in a while I would only do 20 mins of extreme training.

Which is 2 min warmup --> 3 min pushing yourself to the limit in some walking/running/biking form --> rest for 2 min - ->3 min pushing yourself --> 2 min rest - 3 min pushing --> 2 min rest --> stretching.

 

[clamum]

I sure in the f ain't addicted to bread. Grains are by far my least favorite type of food. Fruits (and vegetables) are where it's at.

 

[BergeLSU]

alogn with a cayenne pepper pill. (do not take this on an empty stomach)

This sentence gave me heartburn just reading it.

 

[HumblePie]

Cheese has carbs. Albeit few, they still do.

Veggies and fruits have nothing but carbs. However most veggies are low on the carb count.

Not like the previous poster maybe you ment processed carbs. Because carbs overall, and processed carbs are 2 different ways of saying "no carbs".

The amount of net carbs that my body would turn into sugar is 5g or less per day when I do my diet. Which is a FAR cry from the amount most people eat which is usually hundreds. And some cheeses have carbs, this is true, but certainly not all cheeses. The process of making cheeses is to allow the proper microbes to eat all the carbs out of the milk in the first place. Some cheeses do not have any carbs at all once completed.

Meats don't have carbs. And while most veggies have some carb amount, the non starchy veggies don't have a significant amount of sugar making carbs. Same with some nuts.


Oh and carb count is done by measuring carbs that are turned directly into blood sugar. Anything that doesn't contribute to blood sugar isn't counted. In veggies, fiber is technically a carb, but your body doesn't digest much of it as an example. It's still needed to keep the body's digestive system regular.

 

[diesbudt]

This sentence gave me heartburn just reading it.

Its not bad if you take it right after food.

HOWEVER, 1 day I wasn't thinking. I took it after waking up. went for excercise.

15min later, It burned so I had to run home and take a glass of milk. lol :\

 

[Kelvrick]

So this substance isn't in rice...

Maybe I'll try going without rice for a week. I might kill myself or get myself addicted to bread, though.

 

[HumblePie]

So this substance isn't in rice...

Maybe I'll try going without rice for a week. I might kill myself or get myself addicted to bread, though.

Gluten is what most people go by.

 

[Ferzerp]

OP (and article writer) have no understanding of the word "opiate".

In the medical sense, it's only relevant in regards to natural derivitives from opium (as opposed to opiods which are similar in effect, but don't come from opium)

In the broader sense, it has nothing to do with addictivity and everything to do with the sedating and passivity inducing effects (i.e. that it makes an individual or group easier to control/keep in line)

 

[HumblePie]

OP (and article writer) have no understanding of the word "opiate".

In the medical sense, it's only relevant in regards to natural derivitives from opium (as opposed to opiods which are similar in effect, but don't come from opium)

In the broader sense, it has nothing to do with addictivity and everything to do with the sedating and passivity inducing effects (i.e. that it makes an individual or group easier to control/keep in line)

Techs doesn't let proper nomenclature dictate his agenda. In this case, while those smarter than him realize that using the term opiate was dumb, we are still able to get the point he was trying to make this time. Basically that many foods we eat are broken down in blood sugar content that forms an addiction in the body.

 

[diesbudt]

Techs doesn't let proper nomenclature dictate his agenda. In this case, while those smarter than him realize that using the term opiate was dumb, we are still able to get the point he was trying to make this time. Basically that many foods we eat are broken down in blood sugar content that forms an addiction in the body.

This.

 

[brainhulk]

I've always been able to give up carbs whenever I wanted. Now after reading this thread i'm gonna start getting withdrawal

 

[HumblePie]

I've always been able to give up carbs whenever I wanted. Now after reading this thread i'm gonna start getting withdrawal

Being able to give up carbs while mostly ignoring withdraw symptoms doesn't mean you still aren't experiencing them. And those symptoms are precisely why some people can't quit addictions. Be it smoking, drinking, drug, or eating addictions. Some people can mentally overpower their body's response and some people can't. Now researched into why some people can and some people can't is research I would like to see done.

Personally, I've never had a problem quitting any thing I had an addiction to. Carbs, smoking, or caffeine. I won't say it was a cake walk, because I still got hit with withdraw symptoms, but I was able to just ignore them mentally and cold turkey my way through. My mom's side of the family has all been able to do this while my dad's side has not. Kind of interesting to me at least.

 

[Gibsons]

1) Sucrose (sugar) + Zymase (enzyme) --> 2 Ethanol (alcohol) + 2 carbon dioxide
[C6-H12-O6 + Zymase --> 2 C2-H5-OH + 2 CO2]

So yes sugar does break down into ethanol, not in the body normally but it does. It is how alcohol is brewed. Hence as i said I mistakenly thought it was the other way around for whatever reason.

Human cells don't have zymase.

2) I didn't say it just uses ethanol like sugar, but that ethanol is used by the body like sugar (breaking down into components it can use for energy) it is the sole reason alcohol has calories.

There are important differences. Alcohol can't be made into glycogen, nucleotides or most amino acids, glucose can. Alcohol isn't subject to an important regulatory step that most sugars are regulated by.

 

[sixone]

This makes me sad. I LOVE bread. You'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Being able to give up carbs while mostly ignoring withdraw symptoms doesn't mean you still aren't experiencing them. And those symptoms are precisely why some people can't quit addictions. Be it smoking, drinking, drug, or eating addictions. Some people can mentally overpower their body's response and some people can't. Now researched into why some people can and some people can't is research I would like to see done.

Personally, I've never had a problem quitting any thing I had an addiction to. Carbs, smoking, or caffeine. I won't say it was a cake walk, because I still got hit with withdraw symptoms, but I was able to just ignore them mentally and cold turkey my way through. My mom's side of the family has all been able to do this while my dad's side has not. Kind of interesting to me at least.

http://starburst.com/

 

[HumblePie]

Human cells don't have zymase.



There are important differences. Alcohol can't be made into glycogen, nucleotides or most amino acids, glucose can. Alcohol isn't subject to an important regulatory step that most sugars are regulated by.

This ^

Alcohol CAN be used as energy by the body, but it isn't sugar based energy. Because it is energy, it is still considered caloric.

The problem with alcohol consumption and dieting is that alcohol can cause body and sugar cravings. Especially since it is a semi rush of energy like sugar. When you hit that down part after the rush, your body wants it again. Also, alcohol tends to do other bad things to your body that forces your body to go into repair mode to fix those bad side effects. Those actions taken by the body to affect repairs also cause cravings of food ingestion. Mainly due to hormone releases just like after working out the body will have a massive craving for food.

Incidentally, this is why it is much harder to lose weight through working out than just diet alone. Although working out is good for the body and more healthy overall if you can affect an effective diet with a workout schedule. But if you are looking to just lose weight first before starting to incorporate a light workout schedule, then dieting first is easier.

 

[HumblePie]

http://starburst.com/

Don't eat those

 

[surfsatwerk]

Don't eat those

I didn't think you did.