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Brainless games reign above all. WHY!?!!!!

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Coldkilla

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Hoookay, this'll probably start a flame-off, but for those who take pure 100% liking to brainless shooters like: Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament, Team Fortress, Crysis, BF2, Call of Duty, the list goes on and on. The only defense on Crysis is that it doesn't have to be played as brainlessly as the rest. And no, the modifications don't count, sure Project Reality, Obsidian Edge, etc are great but they are not the game in its own right.

It's like a bag of dough nuts + a hooker every Friday night. It's satisfying, its fast, its (sometimes) cheap 😉, and its suits its purpose. But eventually it's gotta get old at some point, right? There's gotta be a point where this person turns a corner and starts to play the game a different way right? Unless its like Cocaine, well... then, theres no hope for them then is there?

Where are games like WW2 Online, Operation Flashpoint, Combat Flight Simulator just to name a few. Where you actually have to use your brain in order to out-think your opponent. Silent Hunter is nice but PVP is horrific, and older games like Sim City 4 are brain intensive but again, no PVP worthy to speak about.

It's like at brainstorming meetings at a developers studio, "Oh, since most people don't have brains and/or choose not to use them, lets make a brainless game so we can maximize the profit. As long as we have graphics! Oooh boy graphics graphics GRAPHICS!". Graphics get old no matter how good developers make them. We're getting close to the threshold on graphic computing anyways, now we need severe mechanics and game play enhancements... *Sigh* I'd be happy with graphics from 1999', but with severe mechanical upgrades compensating for nearly everything else that is lacking today.

Edit: Ok, I get that people play games for a quick fix to "get away" from reality, but the satisfaction of outsmarting/out flanking/out maneuvering someone is just as satisfying in my view.
 
Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Hoookay, this'll probably start a flame-off, but for those who take pure 100% liking to brainless shooters like: Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament, Team Fortress, Crysis, BF2, Call of Duty, the list goes on and on. The only defense on Crysis is that it doesn't have to be played as brainlessly as the rest. And no, the modifications don't count, sure Project Reality, Obsidian Edge, etc are great but they are not the game in its own right.

It's like a bag of dough nuts + a hooker every Friday night. It's satisfying, its fast, its (sometimes) cheap 😉, and its suits its purpose. But eventually it's gotta get old at some point, right? There's gotta be a point where this person turns a corner and starts to play the game a different way right? Unless its like Cocaine, well... then, theres no hope for them then is there?

Where are games like WW2 Online, Operation Flashpoint, Combat Flight Simulator just to name a few. Where you actually have to use your brain in order to out-think your opponent. Silent Hunter is nice but PVP is horrific, and older games like Sim City 4 are brain intensive but again, no PVP worthy to speak about.

It's like at brainstorming meetings at a developers studio, "Oh, since most people don't have brains and/or choose not to use them, lets make a brainless game so we can maximize the profit. As long as we have graphics! Oooh boy graphics graphics GRAPHICS!". Graphics get old no matter how good developers make them. We're getting close to the threshold on graphic computing anyways, now we need severe mechanics and game play enhancements... *Sigh* I'd be happy with graphics from 1999', but with severe mechanical upgrades compensating for nearly everything else that is lacking today.

Edit: Ok, I get that people play games for a quick fix to "get away" from reality, but the satisfaction of outsmarting/out flanking/out maneuvering someone is just as satisfying in my view.
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Perhaps games in general are just too "dumb" for you.
I recommend you load up Chess Titans and quit playing every other game.

Also, please name some "mechanical upgrades" you would like to see in future games.
 
Even though I don't particularly like CS, explain how its been like the most played FPS game since it came out like 10 years ago...
 
If mainstream games aren't intellectually challenging enough for you, then stop playing mainstream games. There are plenty of alternatives; you even named a few of them. There are still companies like Strategy First, Paradox Interactive, 1C Company, Stardock, Bohemia Interactive Studio, Sonalysts Combat Simulations, etc. that make more intellectually challenging games. They are out there, you just have to look a bit harder to find them.
 
Try playing "the ship" that should give you a little more thought provoking gameplay...I know what you're saying because I haven't finished a single FPS I've bougth because they are bland...Crysis was the only exception when you put it to Delta, but even that got too easy. Try playing Arma, that's supposed to be operation flashpoint 2 or something along that line...

PS SHIV is great, but PVP is terrible
 
I can't speak for the other shooters, but UT is a skill based game. The challenge lay in being more skillful than your opponent, so you could liken it to playing a sport.
 
There's more to the brain than just strategy. Speed is also a very important aspect to intelligence. Fast FPS games like Unreal Tournament, Quake, and the original Team Fortress games (Quake World Team Fortress, Quake 3 Fortress, Team Fortress Classic) are all extremely fast paced and require the player to mentally out-pace his opponent. There is still strategy, but the games mainly revolve around quick movement, reflex, and reaction. It's just a different part of the brain.

Now you say that Team Fortress 2 is brainless? No way. Try playing it competitively! The only FPS game harder than TF2, in my opinion, is TFC.
 
Well its more like a bottle of vodka and a brunette hooker this friday (COD4), then next week is a 24 case with a blonde (UT3), the week after that you may opt for some wine and a upper class downtown escort (crysis), oh and occasionally you will take a few shots of tequila with your neighbour (team fortress 2)

get the point ?

no? well here it is: yes the games are mindless and the same, but once you get bored of them you switch to another shooter thats the whole point, there are plenty of shooters for the PC and if you dont think thats true, visit the Previously played Section of your local EB Games or whatever the store is called that sells games...
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you're an idiot.
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As much as you have probably looked over your response in efforts to not incriminate yourself, I must inform you that you failed.

You didn't capitalize the y.
 
He?s not an idiot and he does have a point tho it?s badly made

its no secret that devs are pushing graphics over game play they have for many years now, its sad because look at Far Cry and Crysis, amazing graphics, mediocre games at best, then games like Sins of the solar empire, decent graphics great game play

Crysis, Far Cry, UT3 are 3 prim examples that graphics do not equal a good game, yet devs don?t see that and blame poor sails on pirates or Intel?s integrated video crap, instead of realizing they made a piss poor game
 
I would have liked Far Cry just as much even if the graphics weren't great. It was one of the few genuinely nonlinear FPSs from the last couple of years.
 
You haven't played much BF2 if you think it's a brainless shooter. I agree that CS and CS:S and similar games are brainless twitch fests, which is why I don't play them.
 
Originally posted by: Coldkilla
*Sigh* I'd be happy with graphics from 1999', but with severe mechanical upgrades compensating for nearly everything else that is lacking today.
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so you bought a $300+ why?

WTF are you talking about?!
 
There is a ton of strategy in CS. It's not a run-and-gun, it's a tactical shooter. If you get a bunch of guys who have 3.0 KDRs and throw them on a team, they're probably gonna get dominated by a team of close-knit guys with 2.0 KDRs. It's not all skill.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
He?s not an idiot and he does have a point tho it?s badly made

its no secret that devs are pushing graphics over game play they have for many years now, its sad because look at Far Cry and Crysis, amazing graphics, mediocre games at best, then games like Sins of the solar empire, decent graphics great game play

Crysis, Far Cry, UT3 are 3 prim examples that graphics do not equal a good game, yet devs don?t see that and blame poor sails on pirates or Intel?s integrated video crap, instead of realizing they made a piss poor game
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What are you basing your claims on? I personally thought Crysis had brilliant gameplay, sure it didn't fire up billions of my neurons or made me hold my chin in profound thought but it entertained me a lot and rewarded my creativity, the graphics were amazing too but the game help up in spite of them (since I started playing on a 8500GT initially while I was switching cards). Far Cry was pretty fun too (for the same reasons) and UT3 is just pure fun, it requires skill and lots of hand-eye coordination, it's just mindless fun but guess what? It's FUN, it's tons of FUN and that's what games are supposed to be about.

I don't get what your point is though, shooters might be mindless (and not all of them are) but they are fun and provide excellent visuals which are always fun to look at (and not essential to the game anyways) but they are FUN and that's what they are supposed to be. If you want games that require though go play Strategy games or play an Adventure game (like Phoenix Wright on the DS) or if building up your brain (which obviously has a very narrow range of thought if you are making claims like these) then go play Brain Age 2 on the DS and get hooked on it, maybe you'll be the next Einstein :roll:

Seriously, I'm sick of these "games are mindless" drones, there are many games out there that offer deep gameplay, go play those. Just as outwitting your opponent and thinking hard while you are playing can be tons of fun, just playing and enjoying the game is tons of fun too. It's too different approaches to gameplay and you should respect and enjoy them both.
 
Sometimes I like brainless games.
I like to be able to load up the game and just shoot stuff without having to think much.
When I am in that mood I don't want to load up something like Civilization.
I want to relax.
Why do you think the game tetris sold so well ?
Its not because it took a million IQ points to play.

 
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Sometimes I like brainless games.
I like to be able to load up the game and just shoot stuff without having to think much.
When I am in that mood I don't want to load up something like Civilization.
I want to relax.
Why do you think the game tetris sold so well ?
Its not because it took a million IQ points to play.
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I agree. It's kind of why I don't mind seeing those "brainless" movies that get rated so poorly. I spend my time at work thinking about how to implement things and crap like that... why can't I just relax and "shut off" at times? Not to mention, almost every game has a thought process associated with it anyway. Even when I play Lumines, I need to think a couple steps ahead of myself even though I just play the game to relax 😱.
 
I can't stand games that have shitty graphics. I've moved from BF2 to BF2142 to CS:S to all the other steam games. I can't go back and play bf2 because the graphics and physics are HORRIBLE. I dont care if the game is huge and has 1990 graphics, I cant play it. I spend $$$$ on a nice computer to run NICE games, not shitty games.
 
Originally posted by: ric0chet06
I can't stand games that have shitty graphics. I've moved from BF2 to BF2142 to CS:S to all the other steam games. I can't go back and play bf2 because the graphics and physics are HORRIBLE. I dont care if the game is huge and has 1990 graphics, I cant play it. I spend $$$$ on a nice computer to run NICE games, not shitty games.
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Well now that's awfully narrow-minded.
 
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