BRAC

[tontod]

BRAC, or Base Realignment and Closure list is coming out tomorrow. Anyone here work in or near a military base? I used to work for Electric Boat in CT until last month, there is a sub base a mile up the road from there, wonder if that will make the list. For more info, here is the official site :

BRAC

 

[conjur]

Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur
Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

Which looking at the last election will be lots of bases spared!

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur
Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

As it should be, reward the base punish all others .

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

As it should be, reward the base punish all others .

Go ahead and have a pre-emptive move against the Blue Bases -
do it with the Red Bases . . . Start the Civil War all over again !

Hell - outsource it to the lowest bidder, or better yet - have Halibutron do it for a premium.

That'll teach 'em !

 

[EagleKeeper]

Most BRACs end up having either a neutral or postive economic effect after a 5-10 year transition period.

A lot depends on how the local communities handle the impact and potential for re-user.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

Not hard to do considering that a majority of military bases, particularly the Army, exist in key Republican states.

Oh, and politicians from both parties are guilty of protecting such installations in their home states, often hindering or otherwise blocking closures and consolidations that would provide the greatest benefit to our military.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Orlando Florida had one of the top Navy training centers for Submarines & it was closed.
Shut down in 1993 the property became a windfall for the city - development industry.

It has been a success, but it's not a place that everyone can afford.

Lot of money made on this

So it's a shining example of one gone right.

On the other hand, many of the bases closed in the last cycles remain abandoned, and unfit for re-development,
contaminated and on the Super Fund Cleanup Priority List . . . with no financing to clean it up for transfer to begin a reclamation of the land.

Not a pretty option

 

[tontod]

Looks like the list is out :

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[CaptnKirk]

... and Republicans should be so proud.

What a boost for the economy, and chances for re-election.

Trent Lott's squriming with glee !

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Orlando Florida had one of the top Navy training centers for Submarines & it was closed.
Shut down in 1993 the property became a windfall for the city - development industry.

It has been a success, but it's not a place that everyone can afford.

Lot of money made on this

So it's a shining example of one gone right.

On the other hand, many of the bases closed in the last cycles remain abandoned, and unfit for re-development,
contaminated and on the Super Fund Cleanup Priority List . . . with no financing to clean it up for transfer to begin a reclamation of the land.

Not a pretty option

That is just terrible, everybody should be able to afford everything!

btw I have to ask. Why was there a submarine base in the middle of Florida?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: tontod
Looks like the list is out :

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Looks like mostly Reserve Centers and Navy facilities.

 

[tontod]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: tontod
Looks like the list is out :

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Looks like mostly Reserve Centers and Navy facilities.

Yeah, a submarine base and a submarine shipyard, not good news for the sub industry.

 

[CaptnKirk]

btw I have to ask. Why was there a submarine base in the middle of Florida?

Naval Training Command - the former McCoy Airbase was used by the Navy
as a learning and training Command Center. The facilities were in place from
the Air Force days, & the location gave the Navy the opportunity to train Cadets
in Submarine Operation in classroom setings and simulators.

There is a Navy Fleet Operations center for Nuclear Subs only 50 miles away in
Port Canaveral where they could go on a 'On Demand' basis to perform controlled
real time work on genuine functuional subs.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: tontod
Looks like the list is out :

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High majority on the list are not large bases; more like local reserve centers for week-end warriors. Paper-pusher offices and research engineering facilities that will be consolidated.

Groton Sub base, Elsworth AFB, a couple of Army bases in Georgia, Pascagoula Naval Station (Mi), and a couple of sipyward in Maine/NH are mainly (not all) the only large facilities.

With the exception of those above, most will have no major economic impact on the local economies and result only in savings to the military in the cost of running the physcial plants. Majority of the research facilites could be picked up almost in full by defense contractors.

Reserve centers will require a longer distance to travel for training/duty assignments.

Paperpushers will be transfered to other facilities, leaving the office space available for the local market. That may affect the commercial buildes bottom line for the next 3-5 years.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Pretty much, they are trimming the left overfat from the system; the lack of major facities indicate that the previous BRACs have hit the big areas.

This is mainly sweeping up the left over dust using a dustpan that the heavy duty broom could not get to

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: conjur
Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

two big bases in SD and La are on the list

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
btw I have to ask. Why was there a submarine base in the middle of Florida?

Naval Training Command - the former McCoy Airbase was used by the Navy
as a learning and training Command Center. The facilities were in place from
the Air Force days, & the location gave the Navy the opportunity to train Cadets
in Submarine Operation in classroom setings and simulators.

There is a Navy Fleet Operations center for Nuclear Subs only 50 miles away in
Port Canaveral where they could go on a 'On Demand' basis to perform controlled
real time work on genuine functuional subs.

I dont know about being closed in 1993.
I went to Nuke school there in 97 and 98.
Probably the nicest base I've ever been stationed on, except for maybe Keflavik.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Closure order came down in 1993 - date of closeure was late 1998.
You're one of the last to go through there.

 

[Malfeas]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
btw I have to ask. Why was there a submarine base in the middle of Florida?

Naval Training Command - the former McCoy Airbase was used by the Navy
as a learning and training Command Center. The facilities were in place from
the Air Force days, & the location gave the Navy the opportunity to train Cadets
in Submarine Operation in classroom setings and simulators.

There is a Navy Fleet Operations center for Nuclear Subs only 50 miles away in
Port Canaveral where they could go on a 'On Demand' basis to perform controlled
real time work on genuine functuional subs.

Hi Kirk,

The description for the Navy base in Orlando isn't that accurate in my opinion. I was in one of the last groups that went through training there in 1997 thru 1998. I don't have any accurate data to include, but I do know that the base used to have a boot camp there and also basic schools for many of the Navy's 'ratings' in the 70's and 80's. Sometime in the late 80's or early 90's, the government consolidated all the boot camps and 'A' schools to Chicago Illinois. BTW an 'A' school is where you recieve your first training outside of bootcamp, determined by your 'rating' or specialty.

The only school still left there by the mid90's was the Navy Nuclear Power School, which I went through as an Electrician Mate. About 2/3rd's of the base at that time was already abandoned. Technicially we were training for a submarine environment, but we never left the classroom.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: conjur
Expect a lot of bases in the home states of key Republicans to be spared.

two big bases in SD and La are on the list

Which list are you looking at.

The one on CNN only has 1 base period in SD. Everything in LA is reserve/support.
Baton Rouge has 3 reserve sites listed.

Offical - DOD BRAC Listing also shows no major differences in closures - that site also has re-alignments

 

[alent1234]

TX also has bases in the cross hairs. how is that possible?

The SD one is a biggie and supposedly John Thune ran on keeping it open and saving the jobs.

 

[CaptnKirk]

There is little info left about the Orlando Naval Training Center.

The old McCoy AFB closed after the Viet Nam wind-down maybe late 70's.

Orlando NTC closed in Dec of 1998, & was off the books in April 1999.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: alent1234
TX also has bases in the cross hairs. how is that possible?

The SD one is a biggie and supposedly John Thune ran on keeping it open and saving the jobs.

The Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota being closed is the 2nd largest employer in the state. The area affected the most by losing Ellsworth is the same area that voted overwhelmingly for John Thune, our new Republican Senator who was hand picked by GWB.

Can you say......ironic?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: alent1234
TX also has bases in the cross hairs. how is that possible?

The SD one is a biggie and supposedly John Thune ran on keeping it open and saving the jobs.

Most of the TX sites are reserve centers, not large bases. Therre functions will be folded up into other sites.

Ellsworth supports an outdate mission.

Look at what the mission of the actual sites are before panicing.

These lists are not made up at the spur of the moment, usually 2-3 years before hand, then are evaluated from different standpoints before being presented.

Congress has to do a up/down, no cherry picking.