Boycotting the new GM.

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

And which ones have the biggest +'s next to them? You really excel at ignorance.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS


i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

My boycott works for me. Never owned a Honduh/Toyota and never will.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

Well i'm curious as too how free the car market is in Japan compared to the US car market. How open are the people in Japan to buying a foreign car? There seems to be very little domestic loyalty here, I kind of feel it's the opposite in Japan.

Also, although your link does show those top domestic large vehicles losing ground. it also show's the smaller domestics making huge gains. So your analysis means absolutely nothing to me.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

Ford Focus +35.7%, Chevy Cobalt +17.8%, Ford Escape: +5.3%, Chevy Malibu +25.7%, Ford Fusion +10.5%, Pontiac G6 +20.3%. ROFL

 

[NaOH]

i would say the malibu doesn't look half as bad to me as it used to. the name itself is still atrocious. I saw their "reinvention" ad and if they DO turn around and offer some good cars. I'm all for it. More options makes shopping for cars fun (and also makes you lose hair cause you can't decide).

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, the SC just stayed the Chrysler deal. Hopefully it will be ruled illegal.

May have a bearing on the quickie GM deal as well.

Wait and see, I guess.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

Ford Focus +35.7%, Chevy Cobalt +17.8%, Ford Escape: +5.3%, Chevy Malibu +25.7%, Ford Fusion +10.5%, Pontiac G6 +20.3%. ROFL

Heh. Yeah, if anything, it seems that the car buyer is becoming ever more educated, and are purchasing vehicles that are well-reviewed and decently reliable. That means that instead of brands dominating, people will flock to individual models from certain brands that offer a good value, and ignore the poorer models.

 

[natto fire]

Unfortunately, you can no longer talk about any American car marque without it turning into a political debate, so...

 

[Jumpem]

I've felt this way for months. I will never buy a GM or Chrysler vehicle while they are owned by the government or the UAW.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, the SC just stayed the Chrysler deal. Hopefully it will be ruled illegal.

May have a bearing on the quickie GM deal as well.

Wait and see, I guess.

Why wouldn't we want Fiat to merge with them? Its much better to have another company take them over than to have them end up government owned.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Well, the SC just stayed the Chrysler deal. Hopefully it will be ruled illegal.

May have a bearing on the quickie GM deal as well.

Wait and see, I guess.

Why wouldn't we want Fiat to merge with them? Its much better to have another company take them over than to have them end up government owned.

I think BHO has decided to let them sink or swim. Seems more likely if Fiat doesn't buy them they will be sold off in bits and pieces.

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Blah blah blah GM bad, know what, if GM used American parts and not made in Mexico/ china junk their reliability would be much higher. Their engineers know this, and bitch about it nearly as much as we do. Having an STS caddy with the tranmission light on because of a failure of a part built in mexico worth $0.27 that costs $3000 to replace is just retarded (true story).

I do personally boycott Walmart and will not buy anything made in China if I can possibly avoid it. (Mc Donalds too for that matter).

i bet your keyboard isn't made in the US, nor are many of your pc parts. nor the chair you're sitting on, nor the fork you eat off of, nor your toothbrush, nor your pillow, nor 90% of the stuff in your home LOL.

you're overpaying for your stuff, hope its worth the expense for you for "patriotism"

Originally posted by: zoiks

I boycott Honda and Toyota. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

I boycott GM and Chrysler and Ford. Never will buy any of their products. Partly because of their fanboys.

i think your boycott isn't working though, Honda and toyota have 5/10 top 10 selling vehicles in the US. the US has 0/10 top 10 selling vehicles in japan.

check out this:
http://www.theautochannel.com/...2008/06/04/088884.html
notice the little -'s next to many of the american vehicles? F series: -18.7; chevy silverado: -25.9%; Impala: -15.4%; dodge ram: -26.8%. now check out the camry +2.3%, accord +8.3%, civic: +20.2%; altima: +16.7%

the trend is switching over to higher quality cars from "made in china" parts such as those "low quality" parts used in toyota and honda and nissan.

Jeezus. Your head is shoved so far up your own ass, it's not even funny. Every vehicle (minus the Impala) you noted is a large truck based vehicle.
Well no friggin DUH! Every one freakin knows that the large SUV/Truck market has tanked.
I am surprised the Tundra is gaining ground though (the new one is ugly!).
Real damned convenient that you leave out the other smaller US cars making large gains right now.
Let's see. The biggest gainer out of all of them: 10 Ford Focus 105,499 77,732 15 +35.7

Befoe you flame me for an American auto fanboy, please note I don't have an american auto at all.

You know, you would garner a little more respect if you actually make a valid statement and note of all of the facts and not just use the ones that suit your arguements.

You know what...I would like to see how 2009 fairs in that chart. That chart is a year old now. With Pontiac gone and the other GM woes, I wonder just how well some of those models are fairing.

 

[LTC8K6]

Why wouldn't we want Fiat to merge with them?

Because it's likley illegal to shaft the secured creditors like that? And to close dealers like that? etc.

I never thought of it as a merger at all. Just a convenient deal for FIAT, the UAW and the Gov't.

If I believed it was a normal merger that would help Chrysler, I wouldn't care much.

I think it's a quick and dirty deal to suck the bones dry and get what they can before tossing Chrysler aside.

I read somewhere that there was a buyer for Jeep, but it was ignored in favor of this deal.

 

[halik]

The ironing here is delicious - the ideology these morons are trying to foster is that socialism creates subpar product. That is that Gov't Motors will create uncompetitive products and will drive themselves out of business. The fact that you're pushing for some sort of boycott while arguing that ideology leads me to /HEADASSPLODE

 

[Greenman]

I'm surprised at how gullible you fellows are. One report with no quotes, no references, just the phrase "right wing" and you all go nuts. Equally interesting is all the hate you boy's have for conservatives, without really knowing anything you just start spouting off insults. You fellows should start thinking for yourselves, and you should also find out what the facts are before you get out the rope and start looking for a tree.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Greenman
I'm surprised at how gullible you fellows are. One report with no quotes, no references, just the phrase "right wing" and you all go nuts. Equally interesting is all the hate you boy's have for conservatives, without really knowing anything you just start spouting off insults. You fellows should start thinking for yourselves, and you should also find out what the facts are before you get out the rope and start looking for a tree.

RTFA, the linked source article has plenty of quotes and references. Amazing how ironic this is, you not actually doing any research and learning the facts, "You ... should start thinking for yourselves, and you should also find out what the facts are before you get out the rope and start looking for a tree."

There's no hate for conservatives because of your ideologies, it's hate for far right wing conservatives because they're all selfish pricks that place their personal agenda, need for blood from obama and ideologies against the well being of America as a nation.

Tell me... how does boycotting GM help anything? The company has been bought, we can't give it back, there's no where for GM to go. It's a emotional knee jerk reaction that helps nothing and hurts everyone.

I don't give a shit about your politics, I don't care about your morals and your need for revenge. What is done is done and cannot be taken back, stop your petty, worthless squabbles, this is not about you. You should be ashamed... People are thinking for themselves to help others and thus lift America as a nation.

The constitution after all states that america consists of "We the people" not "Me the selfish ass" and it's time to look beyond yourself and try to help america as a whole.

Conservatives, always talking about flags and loving america, well then stop trying to destroy and sabotage this nation. This boycott of GM is nothing more than cutting off the nose to spite the face.

No... I'm not a liberal, radical extremist liberals are just a bad as radical extremist conservatives, but they tend to be a lot less outraged, vocal and have less media exposure because of the nature of their movement. Overall, radical extremist conservatives do a lot more damage to America as a whole than radical liberals because of all your "me me me, screw everyone else, I'm angry listen to me I'm like a 3 year old child attitude."

Oh and there is no "stigma" for being conservative. There is nothing wrong with love of god, morals, family values and small government. If O'reilly/Hannity/Beck/Limbaugh will agree to sit down and have a have a reasonable conversation with someone rather than host yes men and/or cut off/shout over the opposite point of view every time so the other side can never get a point across, you'll hear the familiar sound of NO ONE CARING. It's not because your ideals are hated. It's because more often than not, the far right wing hides behind talking points, scare tactics and screaming louder than the other guy to cut him off to appeal to emotional mob reactions rather than intelligent, rational discussion.

<- Militant Moderate tired of irrational idiots.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Why do the right-wingers want the US to fail? It'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I wouldn't be surprised when they do something extreme against Obama.

Why does the left wing want GM to fail?


I wouldn't be surprised if they do something extre--oh wait they already have: pour billions of dollars into two disabled car companies and come to the conclusion right wing peeps had all along--bankruptcy was the best option all along!

Originally posted by: halik
The ironing here is delicious - the ideology these morons are trying to foster is that socialism creates subpar product. That is that Gov't Motors will create uncompetitive products and will drive themselves out of business. The fact that you're pushing for some sort of boycott while arguing that ideology leads me to /HEADASSPLODE

No where in capitalism does it say a group of people can't boycott a product for whatever reason. Perhaps there are several, larger ideaological factors you've failed to take into account.

Like the fact GM should have declared bankruptcy 6 months ago, but a couple billion bucks later...it's come to that conclusion as well.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Why do the right-wingers want the US to fail? It'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I wouldn't be surprised when they do something extreme against Obama.

Why does the left wing want GM to fail?


I wouldn't be surprised if they do something extre--oh wait they already have: pour billions of dollars into two disabled car companies and come to the conclusion right wing peeps had all along--bankruptcy was the best option all along!

Originally posted by: halik
The ironing here is delicious - the ideology these morons are trying to foster is that socialism creates subpar product. That is that Gov't Motors will create uncompetitive products and will drive themselves out of business. The fact that you're pushing for some sort of boycott while arguing that ideology leads me to /HEADASSPLODE

No where in capitalism does it say a group of people can't boycott a product for whatever reason. Perhaps there are several, larger ideaological factors you've failed to take into account.

Like the fact GM should have declared bankruptcy 6 months ago, but a couple billion bucks later...it's come to that conclusion as well.

Because your premise is that the company will inherently make inferior products now that it's socialized. If you boycot it, you basically don't believe what you preach. Do you boycott USPS because you believe that Fedex can do a better job? No, if fedex does actually do a better job then you use it instead of USPS. What they're arguing here is "well if we're not right, we'll make it so we're right".

If you're making an argument for free market, let the free market work.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: halik

If you're making an argument for free market, let the free market work.

i'd like to agree with you, i believe in a free market, but that idea with GM was thrown out the door when they asked for the bailout money and got it. a free market would of been them going out of business 6 months ago and not having the gov't print billions more USD and having out dollar worth less and less.

the same result happened anyway, just that out dollar is worth less now because of GM

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: halik

If you're making an argument for free market, let the free market work.

i'd like to agree with you, i believe in a free market, but that idea with GM was thrown out the door when they asked for the bailout money and got it. a free market would of been them going out of business 6 months ago and not having the gov't print billions more USD and having out dollar worth less and less.

the same result happened anyway, just that out dollar is worth less now because of GM

Watch what you say, your heroes aren't without their faults either...

Japanese auto makers ask for aid

 

[LTC8K6]

Boycotting Chrysler and GM is perfectly acceptable. They should have gone bankrupt long ago. My tax money should not have been wasted just to prolong the agony and create sweet deals for groups that should have gone down with the ship.

Who the hell said anyone was boycotting to help GM and Chrysler? It's to hurt Government Motors and help Non-Government motors. It's the only way the little guy can make an impression and say NO! It's the only way the little guy can express displeasure at the UAW and try to effect change.

It's the same thing as buying a Honda when GM is producing junk. That's the only message you as the consumer can send to GM about their cars that they will hear. Don't buy them.

The UAW is a big part of the problem and it has been rewarded. Gettelfinger Motors is unacceptable to me. As is Government Motors.

At some point you have to say Enough is Enough. Cut it off. End it. Start over. That point was a while back...

All that has happened is a hell of a lot of money has gone up in smoke and we have bankruptcy anyway. Albeit some odd crooked form of it...

We'll be in the same spot we would have been in anyway, except we are minus many billions of duckets...

 

[LTC8K6]

Because your premise is that the company will inherently make inferior products now that it's socialized

.

But it already made mostly inferior products with a few exceptions. Why would it get any better under control of the UAW and GOVT?

I'll bet that the car designs are already being looked at...

I can see it now. Barney Frank thinks the Volt should have twice the electric range...

 

[CupCak3]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: halik

If you're making an argument for free market, let the free market work.

i'd like to agree with you, i believe in a free market, but that idea with GM was thrown out the door when they asked for the bailout money and got it. a free market would of been them going out of business 6 months ago and not having the gov't print billions more USD and having out dollar worth less and less.

the same result happened anyway, just that out dollar is worth less now because of our awful politicians

fixed.

 

[waffleironhead]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: halik

If you're making an argument for free market, let the free market work.

i'd like to agree with you, i believe in a free market, but that idea with GM was thrown out the door when they asked for the bailout money and got it. a free market would of been them going out of business 6 months ago and not having the gov't print billions more USD and having out dollar worth less and less.

the same result happened anyway, just that out dollar is worth less now because of GM

Watch what you say, your heroes aren't without their faults either...

Japanese auto makers ask for aid

How dare you insert facts and evidence into this discussion. The only thing acceptable here is emotion and opinion. BEGONE!