Boycott BP? Why?

[eits]

Again, if they lost 150 billion in stock, the cleanup will cost 760 million, and the fines are going to be hundreds of millions, do you really think boycotting will matter much?

yes, it hurts their image, which hurts their profits. the goal of any company is to make as much money as possible. they don't want to miss out on billions of dollars lost because they wouldn't get their ass in gear to clean their mess.

look at exxon... they cleaned their mess and their image was restored.

 

[BoomerD]

So if BP franchise owners switch to Texaco, you think it's not going to hurt them? GTFOOH. Just like the people who said the recalls wouldn't hurt Toyota, reputation is still very important. Maybe it won't hurt their bottom line in the long term but they will still take a hit.

First of all, it's not so easy to change franchise brands. The station has to meet the standards of the new oil company which probably involves a good deal of remodeling...Then, since most stations just get gasoline from whatever refinery is close, they may still get BP gasoline...or Chevron, or Exxon, or........
Next, BP sells its products under a wide variety of brand names. BP, Arco, AM/PM, etc. Plus, they also sell their products to a ton of independent stations such as your corner grocery mini-mart, Joe's Gas & Go, etc. (and this is only in the USA...they're a world-wide company...if they can't sell gas here, they'll sell it elsewhere.)


As I said, this is only a "feel good" action, not one that will actually make a significant dent in their bottom line.

 

[zoiks]

Fucking retards. I hope they hang those oil motherfuckers after this is over. Or at least throw the book at them.

 

[SP33Demon]

You understand that gasoline is a commodity right? Oil companies routinely buy and sell huge amounts of oil to each other to balance what they're drilling vs. what they're selling at the pump. Hundreds of thousands of boycotters won't have any affect at all.

Oh, except to the indepenant station owners, who will get destroyed.

How will they be destroyed? Just change the logo on their sign.

In any case, just as a matter of principle I never buy from BP or Citgo due to its ties to Chavez.
http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/05/24/en_eco_esp_bp-wants-to-remain-a_24A3904261.shtml

I honestly don't give a dam if the BP owner has to change it to a Shell sign and if it comes from the same place. All in all when I can afford it, I'm going 100% electric car for my commute (go go Nissan Leaf).

 

[bobdole369]

yes, it hurts their image, which hurts their profits.

It might hurt image, but since BP itself doesn't make money off consumers like you and I, it really doesn't care what its image is in the long run. Eventually our gas dollars get there, but we are FARRRRR from BP's major concern. I'm making up numbers but I bet gasoline and retail sales are like 5% of their profit. A majority of fuel goes to trucking/shipping/aviation/marine.

 

[bobdole369]

Just change the logo on their sign.

It's not quite that easy. In principle it is but theres a ton of money involved in that.

 

[SP33Demon]

First of all, it's not so easy to change franchise brands. The station has to meet the standards of the new oil company which probably involves a good deal of remodeling...Then, since most stations just get gasoline from whatever refinery is close, they may still get BP gasoline...or Chevron, or Exxon, or........
Next, BP sells its products under a wide variety of brand names. BP, Arco, AM/PM, etc. Plus, they also sell their products to a ton of independent stations such as your corner grocery mini-mart, Joe's Gas & Go, etc. (and this is only in the USA...they're a world-wide company...if they can't sell gas here, they'll sell it elsewhere.)


As I said, this is only a "feel good" action, not one that will actually make a significant dent in their bottom line.

Well, what you're saying is true for sure. But all in all, you cannot deny that less exposure = less advertising. Not that it matters all that much for oil companies financially but what happens in 10 years when US oil sales are hurting due to electric cars? Basically the best way to fck these oil companies is by promoting electric cars and buying them. They'll still have 3rd world countries in a stranglehold but every day that passes is a day that means less profit for big oil.

 

[Blackjack200]

How will they be destroyed? Just change the logo on their sign.

In any case, just as a matter of principle I never buy from BP or Citgo due to its ties to Chavez.
http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/05/24/en_eco_esp_bp-wants-to-remain-a_24A3904261.shtml

I honestly don't give a dam if the BP owner has to change it to a Shell sign and if it comes from the same place. All in all when I can afford it, I'm going 100% electric car for my commute (go go Nissan Leaf).

Do you buy from Lukoil? They are a Russian company and Russia murders its dissidents.

 

[her209]

Hahaha... EPIC WIN!

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

How will they be destroyed? Just change the logo on their sign.

In any case, just as a matter of principle I never buy from BP or Citgo due to its ties to Chavez.
http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/05/24/en_eco_esp_bp-wants-to-remain-a_24A3904261.shtml

I honestly don't give a dam if the BP owner has to change it to a Shell sign and if it comes from the same place. All in all when I can afford it, I'm going 100% electric car for my commute (go go Nissan Leaf).

You're ignorant if you believe you have never purchased gas that BP/Citgo produced. As has been stated, oil companies regularly sell to one another before it gets to the pump.

Also, stop acting that electric is all green and shit. Electric vehicles themselves might be green (due to no emissions and such), but guess where their electricity comes from? Power plants, which currently, are significantly coal based. You might get 5% "clean" power from nuclear, wind, and solar combined but a lot comes from coal plants.

Hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself and lets ya sleep at night.

Well, what you're saying is true for sure. But all in all, you cannot deny that less exposure = less advertising. Not that it matters all that much for oil companies financially but what happens in 10 years when US oil sales are hurting due to electric cars? Basically the best way to fck these oil companies is by promoting electric cars and buying them. They'll still have 3rd world countries in a stranglehold but every day that passes is a day that means less profit for big oil.

It doesn't matter what is shown on the corner station. BP is one of the largest 5 oil/gas companies. If they aren't selling to the end consumer, they will sell to the other 4 companies. The corner stations only account for 1/3 of a barrel of oil as has been stated. Oil products are all around us. Oh, and guess what? Your electric vehicle still needs oil products for lubrication.

 

[Gothgar]

this sure feels like a thread that should be in P&N

 

[NFS4]

To tell you the truth, I've never gotten gas at BP anyway because they prices are always 5c to 7c more expensive than the guys down street. It's basically the same shit, so why would I pay more for their shit?

 

[SP33Demon]

You're ignorant if you believe you have never purchased gas that BP/Citgo produced. As has been stated, oil companies regularly sell to one another before it gets to the pump.

Also, stop acting that electric is all green and shit. Electric vehicles themselves might be green (due to no emissions and such), but guess where their electricity comes from? Power plants, which currently, are significantly coal based. You might get 5% "clean" power from nuclear, wind, and solar combined but a lot comes from coal plants.

Hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself and lets ya sleep at night.

It doesn't matter what is shown on the corner station. BP is one of the largest 5 oil/gas companies. If they aren't selling to the end consumer, they will sell to the other 4 companies. The corner stations only account for 1/3 of a barrel of oil as has been stated. Oil products are all around us. Oh, and guess what? Your electric vehicle still needs oil products for lubrication.

At current rates, gasoline prices would have to drop to $1.25/gal to rival electric grid costs for plugging in your car (statistic: Nissan). If that doesn't make you feel good about yourself then you're just a big oil homer. Grid > gas station, and who gives a fck about oil lubrication? I really hope you're not being serious about 1 quart of oil per car. /chuckle

It's been well documented that centralizing fossil fuel burning to just power plants will have a positive impact on NOX gas pollution vice decentralized cars burning gasoline. Do a search in P&N.

To reiterate, the best way to hit these oil fcks in the balls is to get a car that plugs into the grid.

 

[Blackjack200]

At current rates, gasoline prices would have to drop to $1.25/gal to rival electric grid costs for plugging in your car (statistic: Nissan). If that doesn't make you feel good about yourself then you're just a big oil homer. Grid > gas station, and who gives a fck about oil lubrication? I really hope you're not being serious about 1 quart of oil per car. /chuckle

It's been well documented that centralizing fossil fuel burning to just power plants will have a positive impact on NOX gas pollution vice decentralized cars burning gasoline. Do a search in P&N.

To reiterate, the best way to hit these oil fcks in the balls is to get a car that plugs into the grid.

Why do people continue to buy home heating oil if it would cost them half as much to plug in electric heaters? Do you have a link to back that up?

As for your electric car "hurting" the oil companies, do you know how much energy (i.e. oil) goes into the production of a new car?

 

[ultimatebob]

Criminal charges for what?

Crimanal charges for the Obama administration who gaveBP a pass on environments and safety issues 10 days before the explosion?
Criminal charges for the employees of the MMS surfing pron, taking kickbacks, and being high on meth?

Yeah... I think that they said that 20% of the employees had some sort of porn in their inboxes, which is probably on par with most companies as far as I'm concerned. They just love reporting crap like that to shock the religious right while they're watching Fox News over dinner, I guess.

I mean, come on... let's get real here. If my uncle Lou or a random spammer sends me a dirty e-mail to my work address and I forget to delete it (or worse yet, I DO delete it yet the message is stuck in some archive folder somewhere), is that REALLY a news worthy criminal offense?

 

[Miramonti]

Are you kidding me?

No. And you disagree?

How they run their business day to day doesn't make them hacks and unknowleadgable about oil drilling.

 

[ultimatebob]

Hahaha... EPIC WIN!

Heh... how long do we give BP before they change their store names in an attempt to make people forget that they're buying gas from "the oil spill company"? Six months? A year?

They wouldn't be the first to try that marketing approach... Comcast advertises their name as Xfinity now because Comcast had developed such a reputation for bad customer service.

 

[Crusty]

Heh... how long do we give BP before they change their store names in an attempt to make people forget that they're buying gas from "the oil spill company"? Six months? A year?

They wouldn't be the first to try that marketing approach... Comcast advertises their name as Xfinity now because Comcast had developed such a reputation for bad customer service.

Don't forget Transocean had another major accident in the Gulf in 1979 before they became known as Transocean.

If you look at the details of that spill they tried the same shit they are now, with the same failures. The only thing that worked for that spill was to drill the relief wells, and that was only at 200' of water.

 

[bobdole369]

They wouldn't be the first to try that marketing approach... Comcast advertises their name as Xfinity now because Comcast had developed such a reputation for bad customer service.

Valujet -> Airtran also comes to mind.

 

[OutHouse]

WHAT IT WILL HURT is the small business owners that have licensed their brand to open up gas stations and sell their oil. They didn't do anything wrong. They had nothing to do with the spill

they can rebrand

 

[OutHouse]

It's not quite that easy. In principle it is but theres a ton of money involved in that.

not really my good friend rebranded from BP to phillips66 3 years ago ans phillips66 paid for nearly all of it

 

[OutHouse]

First of all, it's not so easy to change franchise brands. The station has to meet the standards of the new oil company which probably involves a good deal of remodeling...Then, since most stations just get gasoline from whatever refinery is close, they may still get BP gasoline...or Chevron, or Exxon, or........
Next, BP sells its products under a wide variety of brand names. BP, Arco, AM/PM, etc. Plus, they also sell their products to a ton of independent stations such as your corner grocery mini-mart, Joe's Gas & Go, etc. (and this is only in the USA...they're a world-wide company...if they can't sell gas here, they'll sell it elsewhere.)


As I said, this is only a "feel good" action, not one that will actually make a significant dent in their bottom line.

wrong, its really not that difficult. its kinda like switching from being a coke vendor to a pepsi vendor. they pay for nearly all the equipment changes.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

At current rates, gasoline prices would have to drop to $1.25/gal to rival electric grid costs for plugging in your car (statistic: Nissan). If that doesn't make you feel good about yourself then you're just a big oil homer. Grid > gas station, and who gives a fck about oil lubrication? I really hope you're not being serious about 1 quart of oil per car. /chuckle

It's been well documented that centralizing fossil fuel burning to just power plants will have a positive impact on NOX gas pollution vice decentralized cars burning gasoline. Do a search in P&N.

To reiterate, the best way to hit these oil fcks in the balls is to get a car that plugs into the grid.

I am not saying it is more expensive to go electric, simply that you are shifting the hazards and eco-damage to other sources since we currently do not use much nuclear/solar/wind/geothermal/hydro/etc (i.e. "green") energy.

Also, look at how much plastic is on that vehicle. I'm guessing the bumpers are, along with plastic cover under the vehicle. Add in all the plastic interior, and you're still using oil based products. I am not saying that electric isn't better for the environment, but it's not as "green" as you claim. Sure it uses less oil, but it's not "oil free."

I agree that EV's are a step in the right direction, and that centralized power plants are better. That said, the primary sources of power currently is still very dirty. Also, without significant increases in our power grid (both "green" generation and distribution), we are just going to shoot ourselves in the foot. We will require more power plants, and the renewables (solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, etc) frankly can't produce enough power. Nuclear is the only option for any kind of "green" power, and those take a very long time to build. So, while EV's might be ideal they cannot harm big oil as much as you want them to.

Don't forget Transocean had another major accident in the Gulf in 1979 before they became known as Transocean.

If you look at the details of that spill they tried the same shit they are now, with the same failures. The only thing that worked for that spill was to drill the relief wells, and that was only at 200' of water.

That is the most troubling about this whole situation. Almost the exact same incident happened over 30 years ago, and we are trying the same things with the same results? There has been no advancement in containment if a spill happens over the past 30 years, and all the oil advancements have been in locating oil and drilling deeper.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

To tell you the truth, I've never gotten gas at BP anyway because they prices are always 5c to 7c more expensive than the guys down street. It's basically the same shit, so why would I pay more for their shit?

Nice avatar

 

[JD50]

Seriously, wtf is Obama going to do? Is there an entire Army division that's manned by oil drilling experts that Obama can send in? This isn't a job that a pile of manpower is going to fix. This isn't something where the gov't has piles and piles of equipment to fix it just lying around. So, explain, wtf is Obama going to do? Do you really think that the top experts on solving this first of its kind problem are just standing around, having a circle jerk, while they wait for Obama to say, "hey guys, I was wondering if maybe you have a solution that will fix the problem in, ohhhh, about 45 minutes or less?"

Whatever happened to "the buck stops here?" I heard it non stop from Democrats any time something went wrong while Bush was in office, where are they now?

Edit - I don't disagree with anything you said by the way.