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Boy will get suspended if he joins girls bowling team

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
how can you have a male team of 1? where do you get he doesn't want a male team btw?
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How do you make a team of zero? The teams are made first and filled later.

The article doesn't state specifically whether or not he tried to have a male team made, but it is inferred that that is not his main priority from his stated goals in the article: "he says it is worth it to make his point" and "he say this issue is not just about bowling. It is also about his civil rights".
 
I don't see how anyone can say they believe in equal rights, with exceptions. There is equal and inequal. There are no exceptions.
 
are the girls on the team opposed to him joining or is it just a bunch of stick in the mud admins with no connection to reality? as long as he isn't showering with them (does anyone shower after bowling?), then I see no reason for him to join that team, it also isn't a contact sport.
 
Originally posted by: PingSpike
I don't see how anyone can say they believe in equal rights, with exceptions. There is equal and inequal. There are no exceptions.
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I agree 100%, but we all live in freedom and equality with exceptions. It isn't right, but we deal with it everyday.
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: BoberFett
At the surface, where you sit on the bus is a petty thing to complain about. However the larger issue was equality, as it is here.
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do you really believe there is an equality issue on the whole in this country where men are treated unfairly in situations involving women.
so much so that you want to compare it to blacks and the civil rights movement?
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So some inequality is OK with you? As long as inequality exists elsewhere, we shouldn't bother eliminating it anywhere?
 
One thing I don't get here is it's now football season across the land. He plays football so how does he have time to bowl as well, also a fall sport? I know when I wanted to wrestle and play basketball both winter sports I had to choose one per schedule and rules. Same thing with track and baseball both spring sports.
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
that school is going to get its ass handed to under Title IX
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The thread could of ended here. Quite frankly its one non-humorous quip - among many nonsensical postings - that had quite sound reason behind it. Title IX is going to bite the school if they come down on this boy. The reason volleyball is allowed "girls only" in schools that offer football is because football offers far more opportunities to males than females during that season. It is only in cases of seasonal-based gender inequity - there are not as many opportunities during the said season for one sex as opposed to the other - when special sports programs are allowed. If the bowling team pushes girl opportunities past the boy opportunities then it violates the precedent set in more than one Title IX case. This is true even if the bowling team helps push gender equality when considering the entire school year. The precedence has already been established, so in this case depending on the circumstances this boy may be rightful to sue.
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Again someone who actually understands the spirit of the law. I agree that he may have a case, but as you said, it depends on what opportunities are offered to boys during the same season. I would think that the school district knows where they stand on this and that is the reason they are fighting it. Personally, I don't see why they'd bother unless they think it may set some kind of precedent that could cause a larger problem later, or it could be a matter of principle; they don't want someone making a joke out of real anti-discrimination measures.

I agree that when it comes to a sport like bowling, a male player's likely size, strength, and speed advantages probably would not make that much of difference so why not let him on the team if he can qualify. I do have to question why he is fighting so hard to join the girls team rather than to create a boys team. This has nothing to do with insuring equal rights in the sense that Title IX's implementation did. Boys have the right to have bowling teams and any other kind of sports team they want, unlike girls before Title IX.

Our school has girls only volleyball during the football season as MadRat explained above. Some of the boys at the school have decided that would like to play volleyball too and they've been working to get a boys team started. They don't want to be on the girls team, they want to compete against other boys. They have everything lined up at our school and they just need to get some other schools nearby to do the same and they'll be competing next season. Why hasn't this boy done the same?

 
Originally posted by: Zebo
One thing I don't get here is it's now football season across the land. He plays football so how does he have time to bowl as well, also a fall sport? I know when I wanted to wrestle and play basketball both winter sports I had to choose one per schedule and rules. Same thing with track and baseball both spring sports.
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I don't know about the high school football season in Illinois, but the regular season ended here last weekend and the playoffs begin this weekend. Perhaps his team did not qualify for the playoffs.

I don't know if their girls bowling team is any good, but apparently he's trying to knock them out of qualifying for tournament play as well. The story said that the school is going by state rules saying that a team cannot compete in the post-season if they have a boy on the team. He could win his battle and be allowed on the team, but it would probably not change the state rule about tournament play and that would keep the team from having a chance to win any championships.

 
Just a thought, maybe some people should read and take the time to understand Title IX?

The kid will lose.
No, they don't have to let him join. They *could* let him join if they wanted to, but they don't have to.
 
Something like bowleing doesnt make enough difference if your male or female but other things like basketball do. Think for a sec if the WNBA was dissolved and women were allowed in the NBA how many would be playing? Not many I guarentee that. Also to do a fair comparision between women like the williams sisters to men you need to compare them with compareable men athletes like the Nog brothers(http://www.fcfighter.com/PICTURES/PRIDE16/nogueira-brothers.jpg) not some lazy internet bums or something.
 
Originally posted by: takuma
Something like bowleing doesnt make enough difference if your male or female but other things like basketball do. Think for a sec if the WNBA was dissolved and women were allowed in the NBA how many would be playing? Not many I guarentee that. Also to do a fair comparision between women like the williams sisters to men you need to compare them with compareable men athletes like the Nog brothers(http://www.fcfighter.com/PICTURES/PRIDE16/nogueira-brothers.jpg) not some lazy internet bums or something.
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0, but I fail to see why that's a problem. The WNBA is a load of sh!t anyway.

 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: takuma
Something like bowleing doesnt make enough difference if your male or female but other things like basketball do. Think for a sec if the WNBA was dissolved and women were allowed in the NBA how many would be playing? Not many I guarentee that. Also to do a fair comparision between women like the williams sisters to men you need to compare them with compareable men athletes like the Nog brothers(http://www.fcfighter.com/PICTURES/PRIDE16/nogueira-brothers.jpg) not some lazy internet bums or something.
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0, but I fail to see why that's a problem. The WNBA is a load of sh!t anyway.
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I love the way some guys who couldn't even make a WNBA team try to deny their talent. The gold so many of the members have added to the U.S.'s Olympic medal count have been nice to have. And they've outshown the U.S. men's teams there lately as well.

 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Be very suspicious of those who drag their balls around in leather bags.
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ROFLMAOC

I agree that there should be no problem, I mean who the hell cares if he is the only guy? Who cares if there is only 1 girl? So what.

But the above is Def funny 😛
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: kogase
Uh, yeah, yeah. Of course if you look at the letter of the law, the kid has a point. But like I was saying, it's quite petty. And like moshquerade said, even if the kid is right he's still just being a little bitch. He is simply trying to prove a petty little point, and you support him whole-heartedly in his miserable little endeavor. To paraphrase The Simpsons: "One person can make a difference, but, well... most of the time he probably shouldn't."
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Yes, it's very petty of him. He should just sit in the back of the bus where he belongs. I mean he shouldn't bowl. Yeah, that's what I mean.
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comparing him to Rosa Parks is a bit much.
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At the surface, where you sit on the bus is a petty thing to complain about. However the larger issue was equality, as it is here.
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Amoung all the BS from Shira on how its great for the PGA to do it and make money off it, how pissy it is this above says it all, its about equal.

They are not at different age levels, hell something tells me he might noe be all that great at bowling as some of the females on the team, the piont is he WANTS to play. (Wait do you really use the term play with bowling.....?) He should be aloud.

The ladys want that advantage, great I support all of it, but its both ways. If you want to be equal stop making up rules. We can but you can't. The firefighter thing is a great thing to show it. Myself as prior service I have no problem with women in the military (Even though i seem to find the women who do become police or military tend to be meaner and out to prove something far beyond the guys. But then... I think most every cop is a control freak...)

The point is no mater how trivial (SP?) someone felt they should stand up BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.

While Rose Parks stand is well known the point was she stood against something wrong, a seat on the bus, as wide spread as it was it was something that every day do we find our selves thinking about it?

As also stated above,

"There is equal and inequal. There are no exceptions. "

I see no problem with it, there are no real advantages he has to pass tryouts. Nothing unfair there.
 
In bowling, males do have an advantage as they can bowl the bowling ball much better because of strengh. This leads to more spin and better control. If it were a chess team or checkers team, and the boy wasn't allowed to join, I would agree that the boy has a point. But in a sport where a male's strengh gives him an unfair advantage, the answer to his request is obviously no.
 
Originally posted by: shira
Worthless college sports? Why don't you ask female athletes what they think of the sports teams on which they play? Schools are now REQUIRED to spend approximately equal amounts on men's and women's teams because prior to Title IX, women had no options.
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This is my major problem with Title IX. Few women's college sports pull their weight from a revenue perspective. Title IX allows them to leech off men's sports that turn a profit.

I think Title IX fails in its lack of weighted equity. College football, for example, should be excluded from the spending totals simply because a decent football team can fund ten other teams in an athletic department.

edit: I do think this guy's being a little pissant, but I also believe he has a valid point. In my experience, girls play on the mens teams because the sport is not available (baseball and softball are not the same, for example). When a girls sport is not available for the men, the expectation should be the same.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: zendari
Feminists don't want equality.
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Great thinking, zendari. Has it occurred to you that there are very good reasons for female only sports competition>

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So equality should only apply when it is not a disadvantage for the female?

The very concept of equality means that they are equally capable and should be given equal responsibility
 
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