Boy who fired bottle rockets into traffic dies fleeing driver

[skyking]

The older guys blew it. They had the one kid, no need to beat him up. Just hold him and call the cops. Wait there. Kid #1 fingers kid #2, every time. Cops pick him up too and they get charged with something, and parents get a case of the ass from the cops hopefully.
The only reason they might have thought twice about doing that is if they had been drinking, etc.
They had to know they were minors. No way is it cool to beat them up or threaten to beat them up.
My heart goes out to the 17 year old young lady. It is a sickening feeling, a horrible sequence she will replay in her mind over and over. A cousin tagged a little kid in the classic "ran out from between parked cars chasing a ball". Ray had nightmares for a long time, visualizing that kid's head bouncing off the hood of his pickup. There was absolutley no way he could have avoided it, he was not speeding, he never saw the kids becuase they were shielded behind a fence.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nik
No way are the drivers at fault for the kid's death. The kid mad the choice to run out into traffic and get hit. I'd charge the one guy with assaulting a minor, but what are you going to charge the other guy with? CHASING a minor? It's not like the guy MADE the kid run into traffic, sheesh. Does the law clearly define manslaughter in such a way that would, without a doubt, define the guy chasing the kid as committing a crime? Hell no.

If some little bastard shot bottle rockets at my car, I'd get out and chase him down too. It's not my fault if the dumbass runs out into traffic and gets killed. Dumbass got what he deserved. Natural selection, ya know?

I agree. :thumbsup:

me too :thumbsup:

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: myusername
And that's where your path would diverge from civilized society. Just because you, and a lot of other people here would do it doesn't make it right, and has absolutely no bearing on the fact that it is, or is flirting with being illegal.

OK using legal arguments is one thing, but saying that a person who would chase someone who shot a bottle rocket at him is uncivilized, now that's just not right. That kid committed a crime, there's nothing wrong with holding him for the police. Beating him, that is wrong.

Mugs, you're 12 years old, and you've been doing something stupid with your older cousin. You know it's stupid, but it's summer, and what the hell, no one's gonna really get hurt. Fact of the matter is, your mind really hasn't even developed to the point where you'd think that you might actually cause a fatal car accident by shooting a bottle rocket at a car. Worst thing is you'll freak some people out.

Suddenly two 22 year olds slam on their brakes, pull a u-turn and come at you. they jump out of their car (probably shouting, but let's not speculate on any threats that might have been made).

Are you going to sit there so they can hold you for the police. Do you really think that's all they want to do? Or is there a possibility they may beat you within an inch of your life? Hell that one guy looks so pissed he might just get carried away and forget to stop.

You can't say beating up a kid is wrong, but then say it's okay to chase the kid prepatory to beating him up is okay, simply because you scared the kid into accidentally offing himself before you got around to the beating part.

When I was 6 I made a homemade "bow and arrow" out of a branch and a string. The thing would not even fly 3 inches, it was useless. Nonetheless when I was playing with it near the street a guy on a motorcycle got off and yelled at me. I was really scared and felt bad about it (even though I knew it could not harm anyone) because I realized that aiming it at passing cars was threatening to the drivers. If you honestly think a 12 year-old is innocent and can't understand that what he was doing is wrong and very dangerous, then you have a very, very lax understanding of what is correct behavior for people at that age. I hope you won't be one of those parents who lets "kids be kids" even when they are doing very dangerous things that threaten themselves and others.

 

[Kelemvor]

Kid is dead so he can't reproduce. That's probably a good thing. If he was that incompetant at 12, who knows what he'd have turned into by the time he was an adult. Of course we can always blame the parents so maybe it's not the kid's fault...

But the driver that chased the kid was also an idiot so he deserces to be held responsible as well.

 

[Mani]

Maybe the kid didn't deserve to die, but I'm not shedding any tears.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: Mani
Maybe the kid didn't deserve to die, but I'm not shedding any tears.

I agree it's sad he died over this, but I can't see how the guy who was attacked is to blame.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: gopunk
i think the kid is responsible for his own death

Agreed.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: codeyf
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SPANAWAY, Wash. ? A driver angry that a 12-year-old Tacoma boy was shooting bottle rockets at cars early today got out of his vehicle and chased the boy into traffic, where he was struck and killed by another car, authorities said.

Witnesses tried to revive the boy, identified by the Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office as Garnet Wilis II. Two men were arrested shortly afterward for investigation of manslaughter, the Washington State Patrol said.

The episode happened around midnight near an intersection on Washington 7 in Spanaway, a small town south of Tacoma. Wilis and his 12-year-old cousin had been hiding in bushes and shooting bottle rockets into traffic, trooper Johnny R. Alexander said.

A green Toyota stopped, and its passenger, Tyrone Sherrod, 22, of Tacoma, got out, chased one of the boys and started beating him, Alexander said.

The Toyota's driver, Mario N. Haley, 22, of Lakewood, made a U-turn and chased the second boy into a nearby parking lot, Alexander said. Haley then got out of the car and continued chasing the boy, who ran onto the highway and was struck by a car driven by a 17-year-old Spanaway girl, the patrol said.

Investigators determined the girl who hit Garnet was not at fault. The other boy was treated for injuries and released to his parents.

Sherrod and Haley fled, but police found them three hours later at homes in Tacoma and Lakewood.

I don't know how to feel about this. I'd be pissed too. Should the guys be responsible for the kids death??

If the kid killed a distracted driver, would we be weeping for the kid?

 

[booger711]

the dumbass kid ran into traffic. could have gone elsewhere. nuff said.

 

[codeyf]

Originally posted by: booger711
the dumbass kid ran into traffic. could have gone elsewhere. nuff said.

:thumbsup:

 

[b0mbrman]

Investigators determined the girl who hit Garnet was not at fault.

I thought pedestrians always had the right of way...

 

[astrosfan90]

Since removing a stop sign can get you charged with attempted murder (or so I've heard), what's to prevent them from charging the other 12-year old with that, along with assault, wreckless endangerment, and anything else in the world? After all, his little stunt could have not only seriously injured/killed passengers in one car, but caused a multi-car pileup that could have endangered the lives of dozens of people and cost the municipality or county thousands in rescue/cleanup.

Did the adults react appropriately? No, probably not. Assault sounds right, though to be honest I'm inclined to be more lenient given that their lives were put in jeopardy by these kids. Manslaughter is ridiculous.

 

[BoberFett]

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[skace]

This is the deffinition of tragic.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: codeyf
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SPANAWAY, Wash. ? A driver angry that a 12-year-old Tacoma boy was shooting bottle rockets at cars early today got out of his vehicle and chased the boy into traffic, where he was struck and killed by another car, authorities said.

Witnesses tried to revive the boy, identified by the Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office as Garnet Wilis II. Two men were arrested shortly afterward for investigation of manslaughter, the Washington State Patrol said.

The episode happened around midnight near an intersection on Washington 7 in Spanaway, a small town south of Tacoma. Wilis and his 12-year-old cousin had been hiding in bushes and shooting bottle rockets into traffic, trooper Johnny R. Alexander said.

A green Toyota stopped, and its passenger, Tyrone Sherrod, 22, of Tacoma, got out, chased one of the boys and started beating him, Alexander said.

The Toyota's driver, Mario N. Haley, 22, of Lakewood, made a U-turn and chased the second boy into a nearby parking lot, Alexander said. Haley then got out of the car and continued chasing the boy, who ran onto the highway and was struck by a car driven by a 17-year-old Spanaway girl, the patrol said.

Investigators determined the girl who hit Garnet was not at fault. The other boy was treated for injuries and released to his parents.

Sherrod and Haley fled, but police found them three hours later at homes in Tacoma and Lakewood.

I don't know how to feel about this. I'd be pissed too. Should the guys be responsible for the kids death??

Fvck no, but some bleeding heart retarded jury will make it so

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Nik

Yea, I'm kinda wondering what parents whould let 12 yr olds go roaming at midnight.

What are parents supposed to do? Lock their kids in their rooms at night with bars on the windows? Are parents supposed to stand guard as their children sleep so they can say "no" and shake their finger at them when the kids try sneaking out?

Get real. Unless they're the kind of 12 year old that has to wear a helmet and reflective vest and use a walker when they go outside, a 12 year old knows better.[/quote]

If that is what needs to be done to stop them from going out, then yes they should do it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: codeyf
Text

SPANAWAY, Wash. ? A driver angry that a 12-year-old Tacoma boy was shooting bottle rockets at cars early today got out of his vehicle and chased the boy into traffic, where he was struck and killed by another car, authorities said.

Witnesses tried to revive the boy, identified by the Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office as Garnet Wilis II. Two men were arrested shortly afterward for investigation of manslaughter, the Washington State Patrol said.

The episode happened around midnight near an intersection on Washington 7 in Spanaway, a small town south of Tacoma. Wilis and his 12-year-old cousin had been hiding in bushes and shooting bottle rockets into traffic, trooper Johnny R. Alexander said.

A green Toyota stopped, and its passenger, Tyrone Sherrod, 22, of Tacoma, got out, chased one of the boys and started beating him, Alexander said.

The Toyota's driver, Mario N. Haley, 22, of Lakewood, made a U-turn and chased the second boy into a nearby parking lot, Alexander said. Haley then got out of the car and continued chasing the boy, who ran onto the highway and was struck by a car driven by a 17-year-old Spanaway girl, the patrol said.

Investigators determined the girl who hit Garnet was not at fault. The other boy was treated for injuries and released to his parents.

Sherrod and Haley fled, but police found them three hours later at homes in Tacoma and Lakewood.

I don't know how to feel about this. I'd be pissed too. Should the guys be responsible for the kids death??

Hmm, so the kid who ran into traffic isn't at fault, the girl who hit him isn't at fault, but the driver who chased him IS at fault?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge

Originally posted by: sixone
Hell no. The little twerp with the bottle rockets got himself into a situation out of his control. What the hell was he doing out at midnight, and with bottle rockets, unsupervised?

Yea, I'm kinda wondering what parents whould let 12 yr olds go roaming at midnight.

because the parents are morans. I bet I've met them before when I delivered papers there. those people all need to be deported to florida. let the hurricanes take care of them

haha ... i find it funny how someone calling another a "moron" couldn't even spell the word correctly.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
WTF, my state is becoming Florida.

haha i was just thinking that

 

[virtuamike]

A couple years ago 3 kids in a car killed themselves by doing 75 in a residential into a wall. I'm thankful for that wall.

Flash forward to now and we see natural selection working as intended. Cross streets, not highways.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: tami
yes, they should. they were chasing the kids in a dangerous area. look what they did. now a boy is dead and a 17-year-old girl has to live with the fact that she hit a kid, despite the fact that the police told her that she was not at fault.

The kids they were chasing were shooting rockets at cars.

wow i really hope tami wasn't serious w/her post.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Nebben

I don't know how to feel about this. I'd be pissed too. Should the guys be responsible for the kids death??

A green Toyota stopped, and its passenger, Tyrone Sherrod, 22, of Tacoma, got out, chased one of the boys and started beating him, Alexander said.

Yes. You don't chase a little kid and attack him for something like that. That guy is more of an idiot than the kid is.

He's an adult, he should have more brains than that. The kid did something stupid, don't get me wrong, but a 22 year old should have more maturity than to do that. Pull your car over, call the cops, let them handle it.

I don't think he should be charged with manslaughter, but he should definitely feel some responsibility for the kid being killed...

after reading the replies in this thread (and i'm only half way done) I don't know if i'm more surprised at the idiots saying they should be responsible, or the idiots who can't read properly.

FOLKS ... there were 2 guys in the car, and 2 kids. The guy who beat up one kid was the passenger in the car, and the guy who chased the kid who was hit by a car was the driver. get your shlt straight before making a stupid post, damn.

/rant

 

[Wuffsunie]

The surviving cousin needs to be charged for shooting off the rockets

The guy who beat up the cousin needs to be charged with assault

The guy who chased the dead kid into traffic deserves to get off with attempted assault, at the most.

Edit: Forgot the Leaving the Scene charges for the 2 guys

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: myusername
Much like someone robbing a bank while a patron has a heart-attack, the chaser should face manslaughter charges since the death occurred during the comission of a crime (assault and intent to batter).

The only reason cops get away with it is because they are not committing a crime by running down a fugitive.

All the guy did was chase him

That's called assault.

again, did you even read the article? since when is chasing someone assaulting someone?

hell, that means when i was 6 years old i was assaulting people every day while i thought i was playing hide and seek.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Nik

Yea, I'm kinda wondering what parents whould let 12 yr olds go roaming at midnight.

God answered that question for them...