Boy, 12, rapes seven-year-old

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MotionMan

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Jan 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan

Do you believe that it is more likely than not that a 12-year-old with this kids history will be able to change?

MotionMan

I honestly can't say. I am not an expert in this kind of psychology or corrective treatment, but that doesn't matter. All I know is that is does happen and I feel everyone deserves a fair shot at it.

I am glad that there are people who refuse to give up on these people, but based on my personal experiences with kids I went to school with and within my family, as well as some tangent professional experience, I have doubts that this kid will spend much of his life as a free man (which, unfortunately, means there will be more victims of his crimes).

MotionMan
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan

Do you believe that it is more likely than not that a 12-year-old with this kids history will be able to change?

MotionMan

I honestly can't say. I am not an expert in this kind of psychology or corrective treatment, but that doesn't matter. All I know is that is does happen and I feel everyone deserves a fair shot at it.

I am glad that there are people who refuse to give up on these people, but based on my personal experiences with kids I went to school with and within my family, as well as some tangent professional experience, I have doubts that this kid will spend much of his life as a free man (which, unfortunately, means there will be more victims of his crimes).

MotionMan

thats a failed system then. Not a failed child.
 

MotionMan

Lifer
Jan 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan

Do you believe that it is more likely than not that a 12-year-old with this kids history will be able to change?

MotionMan

I honestly can't say. I am not an expert in this kind of psychology or corrective treatment, but that doesn't matter. All I know is that is does happen and I feel everyone deserves a fair shot at it.

I am glad that there are people who refuse to give up on these people, but based on my personal experiences with kids I went to school with and within my family, as well as some tangent professional experience, I have doubts that this kid will spend much of his life as a free man (which, unfortunately, means there will be more victims of his crimes).

MotionMan

thats a failed system then. Not a failed child.

True, but, nonetheless, since that is the system still in use, the odds are against this 12 year old being rehabilitated.

MotionMan
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan

Do you believe that it is more likely than not that a 12-year-old with this kids history will be able to change?

MotionMan

I honestly can't say. I am not an expert in this kind of psychology or corrective treatment, but that doesn't matter. All I know is that is does happen and I feel everyone deserves a fair shot at it.

I am glad that there are people who refuse to give up on these people, but based on my personal experiences with kids I went to school with and within my family, as well as some tangent professional experience, I have doubts that this kid will spend much of his life as a free man (which, unfortunately, means there will be more victims of his crimes).

MotionMan

thats a failed system then. Not a failed child.

True, but, nonetheless, since that is the system still in use, the odds are against this 12 year old being rehabilitated.

MotionMan

so same logic in the medical field, any time a patient has less thant 50% chance of survival doctors should end treatment.
 

MotionMan

Lifer
Jan 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan

Do you believe that it is more likely than not that a 12-year-old with this kids history will be able to change?

MotionMan

I honestly can't say. I am not an expert in this kind of psychology or corrective treatment, but that doesn't matter. All I know is that is does happen and I feel everyone deserves a fair shot at it.

I am glad that there are people who refuse to give up on these people, but based on my personal experiences with kids I went to school with and within my family, as well as some tangent professional experience, I have doubts that this kid will spend much of his life as a free man (which, unfortunately, means there will be more victims of his crimes).

MotionMan

thats a failed system then. Not a failed child.

True, but, nonetheless, since that is the system still in use, the odds are against this 12 year old being rehabilitated.

MotionMan

so same logic in the medical field, any time a patient has less thant 50% chance of survival doctors should end treatment.

There are times where medical treatments are available, but because of the low likelihood of success, or the severity of the side effects, the treatments are not attempted. Of course, these decisions are made on a case by case basis (as I also advocate when it comes to juvenile offenders).

We do not always get to like the truth, but that does not change the truth.

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I learn something new every day: 12-year-olds don't have a right to rehabilitated.

There is no need to get overly dramatic.

Like I said, I am glad that there are people who try to rehabilitate these kids. It is just my personal opinion that THIS KID (based on his history and age) is a lost cause and will only cause more pain and suffering to innocent victims over the years as he goes in an out of prison for the rest of his life.

I hope that I am wrong, but I fear that I am not.

MotionMan
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
at 12 he can still be rehabbed. Hope he gets the help and love he needs.

I am sorry to say that I think he is more likely than not beyond rehab. There are always exceptions, but odds are that he will spend most of his life in and out of prison and will ruin a few innocent peoples lives along the way.

Even if you think it is not his fault (because of his parents), that does not mean he should get any free passes.

It is sad to say, but it would probably be best for everyone if he has an unfortunately accident and is sent to a better place sooner rather than later.

MotionMan (the parent of two small children)

Possibly, but he still deserves the chance to change even though what he did was terrible.

I can agree with MotionMan here. A human develops certain beliefs and ideals pre-puberty that become pretty much steadfast and almost instinct as an adult.

This is why religion is an easy sell if you start it young and enforce it. Same thing with diet.

While there is hope, chances are this kid will be seeing himself in and out of trouble throughout life by making the choices his 'instinct' tells him is right before he can think it out.

but yeah, the parents need to see jail.
 

Chiropteran

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
he is only a kid. You are able to discern the difference between a child of 12 and an adult correct?

Yep! 12 year old kids don't have sex. Oh wait...

Acts like an adult, punish like an adult.