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Bowling for Columbine ROCKS!
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Gooberlx2
Lifer
***possible spoilers***
I liked it. Thought it was very informative about many points on the issue, and didn't really allude to only one (except it did criticize the news media more than the other points). Anyway, one of the parts I didn't like was that they targeted K-Mart, and totally for the movie. Had they been actually adamant about it they should have march off into WalMart, and other similar chains, and done the same thing. K-Mart was an "easy" target since they sold ammo to the columbine kids (though IIRC the kids were old enough to buy, and it wasn't some ridiculous amount, like when they bought out the whole store in the movie).
I liked it. Thought it was very informative about many points on the issue, and didn't really allude to only one (except it did criticize the news media more than the other points). Anyway, one of the parts I didn't like was that they targeted K-Mart, and totally for the movie. Had they been actually adamant about it they should have march off into WalMart, and other similar chains, and done the same thing. K-Mart was an "easy" target since they sold ammo to the columbine kids (though IIRC the kids were old enough to buy, and it wasn't some ridiculous amount, like when they bought out the whole store in the movie).
KMart is where the bullets came from so that is why they went there.
If you read his web-site you would have seen they made reference to Wal-Mart. In fact one of them was about Wilmington NC where I am at. In that a man told his wofe "I am going to walmart to buy bullets and kill myself". The Wilmington police called BOTH walmarts and told them NOT to sell the bullets. Well guess what, they sold them and the man went outside and killed himself there.
Go see this FANTASTIC movie IF
you can appreciate good humor and IF
you are not a conservative right wing bigotted slug.
I find right wingers are devoid of a good sense of humor, lack propriety and all in all are not worthy human beings and are certainly not worth wasting time conversing with.
you can appreciate good humor and IF
you are not a conservative right wing bigotted slug.
I find right wingers are devoid of a good sense of humor, lack propriety and all in all are not worthy human beings and are certainly not worth wasting time conversing with.
Go see this FANTASTIC movie IF
you approve of lies and IF
you approve of distortion and IF
you are a left-wing liberal.
I find left-wingers to be devoid of common sense, appreciate lies and half-truths much more than their conservative counterparts and generally thought of as wastes of time.
See...goes both ways.
Myself? I'm neither a conservative nor a liberal. My opinions are based on each issue separately. That said, with the evidence proffered debunking this 'documentary', Michael Moore comes off as a scam artist who just doesn't care, imo.
Cerb
Elite Member
It could have been, but he did too much slanderous editing. Most of the points are good, but Moore screwed them up by wanting to portray things in a very specific view that was a bit far from the reality--regardless of a fair bit of info being almost right.
On the video:
1) It is funny
2) Persecution? Yeah, let's forget imperialism...oh, and corporate control of everything (kinda like we are now). The colonies were for England, not the pilgrims.
2.A) We didn't kill that many Brits. We just weren't going to give up, so they did.
3) KKK became an illegal terrorist organization in 1871? Well, illegal...that depends (IIRC, laws allowing the KKK to enforce JC laws were not called into question for a good while). But it was a terrorist organization by 1866 (read: 1866 was an election year). The NRA actually tended to be (can't generalize and say it deinfitely *was*) against the KKK, and specifically chose leaders that were against them, even if many members also were in the KKK. However, neither of the two had anything to do with the JC laws (mainly because everything to set them up was there before either organization. Note I do not recall when the NRA was founded at the moment) or each other. Not that they weren't related, but all they did to either of their causes was put a new face on them. So, to be specific, they had nothing to do with each other in the sense that they were moving parallel and they didn't start or stop anything, just increased the scale and changed the look a bit.
4) Why mention Rosa Parks and leave our Plessy vs. Furgesson(sp) and Brown vs. Board?
5) The vast majority of what is depicted as happening in order was going on over a century before the civil war, and only changed slightly afterward, even up until the 1950s. The guns are about the only correct part. The way the KKK evolved was actually pretty smart, keeping the rich white guys in power, and using the poor whites to help them stay that way. Although several other things, like Enron, were smart, too
Ignorance is bliss.
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp
The introduction of Bowling is a purported clip from an NRA documentary, announcing that the viewer is about to see a National Rifle Association film. Obviously, Bowling is not an NRA film, and so Moore makes it clear right at the beginning that Bowling is not a documentary (based on true facts), but rather a mockumentary (based on fictitious "facts"). It's a humorous movie, but the biggest joke is on the audience, which credulously accepts the "facts" in the movie as if they were true.
The first mockumentary "fact" is the title itself. The Columbine murderers were enrolled in a high-school bowling class. After the NRA introduction, the film begins on the morning of April 20, 1999, the day of the Columbine murders. Narrator Moore announces that on that day, "Two boys went bowling at six in the morning." This serves as a setup for a later segment looking at the causes of Columbine, and arguing that blaming violent video games (which the killers played obsessively) or Marilyn Manson music (which the killers enjoyed) makes no more sense than blaming bowling.
In fact, the two killers ditched bowling class on the day of the murders. The police investigation found that none of the students in the bowling class that morning had seen the killers that day. The police report was completed long before the release of Bowling for Columbine, so the title itself is a deliberate falsehood. (I don't use the word "lie" because the mockumentary genre allows for the use of invented facts.)
After the April 20 lead-in, Bowling begins an examination of middle-American gun culture, and indulges the bicoastal elite's snobbery toward American gun owners.
We are taken to the North County Bank in Michigan, which ? like several other banks in the United States ? allows people who buy a Certificate of Deposit to receive their interest in the form of a rifle or shotgun. (The depositor thereby receives the full value of the interest immediately, rather than over a term of years.)
Moore goes through the process of buying the CD and answering questions for the federal Form 4473 registration sheet. Although a bank employee makes a brief reference to a "background check," the audience never sees the process whereby the bank requires Moore to produce photo identification, then contacts the FBI for a criminal records check on Moore, before he is allowed to take possession of the rifle.
Moore asks: "Do you think it's a little bit dangerous handing out guns at a bank?" The banker's answer isn't shown.
So the audience is left with a smug sense of the pro-gun bank's folly. Yet just a moment's reflection shows that there is not the slightest danger. To take possession of the gun, the depositor must give the bank thousands of dollars (an unlikely way to start a robbery). He must then produce photo identification (thus making it all but certain that the robber would be identified and caught), spend at least a half hour at the bank (thereby allowing many people to see and identify him), and undergo an FBI background check (which would reveal criminal convictions disqualifying most of the people inclined to bank robbery). A would-be robber could far more easily buy a handgun for a few hundred dollars on the black market, with no identification required.
The genius of Bowling for Columbine is that the movie does not explicitly make these obvious points about the safety of the North County Bank's program. Rather, the audience is simply encouraged to laugh along with Moore's apparent mockery of the bank, without realizing that the joke is on them for seeing danger where none exists. This theme is developed throughout the film.
Jmmsbnd007
Diamond Member
If by rocks you mean sucks, then yeah, it rocks.
bentwookie
Golden Member
I feel the same about canadians.
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