Bought a fake Barton 3200xp..help! *PICS*

[memories2002]

Yesterday i took my case to my pc dealer, to remove my old AXP2000 and add my new barton xp3200. He attached the cpu, my new Arctic Cooling Copper Silent 2L fan, and pc seemed fine there, started doom3, played for 10 secs, shutdown. Came home, and im facing random lockups, or blue screens without any errors, only while playing games or 3dmark03. A few seconds into a game, and pc hangs. Asus Probe reports CPU temp 50C and MB temp 36C. So its not heat issues. What i am seeing is my 12V rail is going up to 13.2V, is that normal? MBM shows 12.2V though, not the 13.2 shown by AsusProbe.
Ive reinstalled nforce drivers, ati cat 4.12 drivers, repair-installed win xp prof sp2, removed ram and pci devices and put them back in, NOTHING HELPS. Ive also tried looser RAM timings of 3-3-3-9, didnt help.
Dont know what to do, someone PLEASE help me out! Im very depressed here..

EDIT : Confirmed fake by my local pc dealer/assembler. See post below. PICs added.

 

[Tarrant64]

What kind of power supply are you using?

 

[deathwalker]

I think there are 2 obvious issues to look at...one as the previous post...do a complete check of your PS...swap it out if you have access to a spare or something..the other that I think could be more of an issue is your Memory setup...if your mobo supports it i would suggest small gradual bumps in your Memory voltage settings. 1/10 volt at a time and check results...dont forget..your new 3200 does not run at the same FSB settings as your 2000...if your bios settings are set as such that the memory buss is trying to keep up with the FSB...you could have a serious memory mismatch problem ....i.e. FSB/Dram buss ratio/speed problem. ...i would not have made the proc upgrade without upgrading my memory to PC3200...If your system is currently using PC2100...you could have a difficult time getting the new proc and memory to play well together.

OOPS....i overlooked your last line that states you are usint PC4000....although I would still look at bumping your Dram voltage a touch to see if it helps

 

[memories2002]

Am using a codegen 350W rated 20/30/12A. My ram is pc3200, fsb is set to 200, ram is set to stock SPD settings, though i manually even tried 400mhz at 3-3-3-9 latencies. Didnt help. Will a full format/reinstall help?

 

[Tarrant64]

The format/reinstall may help. Try resetting your bios first or make sure you have the latest bios update.Wouldn't want you to format everything just for a hardware issue.

 

[memories2002]

I have the latest bios 1009, repair install didnt help. Format is gonna be last option, right now im just underclocking to 10x200=2ghz instead of the stock 11x200=2.2ghz. Bios defaults didnt help either.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: memories2002
I have the latest bios 1009, repair install didnt help. Format is gonna be last option, right now im just underclocking to 10x200=2ghz instead of the stock 11x200=2.2ghz. Bios defaults didnt help either.

You say you put in a *new* Barton 3200+ and changed the multi from 11 -> 10? The multi on new bartons (week 39 of 2003) are uber-locked and can't be changed by just selecting a different multi in BIOS.

I'd run Memtest86 to test the ram, and then Prime95 to check the cpu b4 formatting.

EDIT: I didn't see what mobo you have (some undervolt vcore, can cause instability). Use Motherboard Monitor 5 to check the vcore (voltage to cpu) make sure it's at least 1.65v

Might need to bump the vdimm too (voltage to ram). MBM5 will tell what it's currently set to (prolly need 2.6v at least).

 

[memories2002]

Okay, i know the mult. cant be changed, but somehow im at 2ghz [internal clock 2004.55, Multiplier 10, System clock 200.45mhz, system bus 400.91] acc to WCPUID.
How can that be then ? Thanks for your help fern.
EDIT: Core0 and 1 are both at 1.68V; +3.3/5/12 rails are at 3.22,4.76,12.16. The -5/12V rails are at -5.34,-12.72 currently.
Case temp 26C, CPU diode 43C, Socket 46C. All acc. to MBM5.

 

[Fern]

Hi memories2002!

Very very interesting. I'm not aware of WCPUID showing wrong amounts- so looks like you CAN change the multi.

AMD starting uber locking the XP line around week 34 of 2003, and by week 39 all were locked. I've not heard of any new unlocked models, this w/b news. Given that WCPUID is correct, I'd guess that either (1) your chip was fabricated prior to week 39, 2003, (2) it's a counterfit/rebaged chip (there was a huge bust in Taiwan last week, millions$ in fake Barton 3200+'s), or (3) some rare mistake at the fab plant.

If you wrote the rest of the numbers from the cpu's stepping code I could tell date of fabrication.

Your vcore is fine. Your 12volt rail is OK too. The -12v rail is a bit high (a little in excess of the acceptable 5% deviation), but I don't know that the -12v is even used anymore. The -5v isn't.

So, is your PC (cpu) stable at 2000mhz? Intially, I suspected your ram as causing the instability. Now I'm afraid it might be cpu (can't run stably at rated speed of 2200mhz) Might put it back at 11 x 200 and try running Prime95 (I think the "small FTT test" will test mostly/only cpu, as opposed to the "blend test" which also checks ram) to see if it can pass. If it did pass at 2200mhz, I'd run memtest86 to see if ram errors popped up.

Otherwise, I'm afraid it's the cpu

Don't wish to worry you uneccessarily, but might not be a bad idea to look up articles on the counterfit chips, IIRC they showed how to identify a real from a counterfit by looking at the markings/logo/ stepping on the chip.

 

[sodcha0s]

Did you check ALL power and data cables to make sure they are fully seated? Didn't see that posted anywhere, that should be your first step.

 

[memories2002]

Everythings properly fixed, ive double checked, i even tried out a powersafe 400W rated 34/40/17 which too didnt help. Format reinstall didnt help. Seems like mine might be a fake athlon xp 3200 barton.

 

[memories2002]

Confirmed. Its a fake. Bught from 'qualityrams' off ebay in november. He still sells around 2 chips daily. My cousin in NJ bought it for me. We will contact ebay. Anything else can be done?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: memories2002
Confirmed. Its a fake. Bught from 'valuerams' off ebay in november. He still sells around 2 chips daily. My cousin in NJ bought it for me. We will contact ebay. Anything else can be done?

If it's not too late and your cousin paid via CC/Paypal, reverse the charges.

- M4H

 

[VIAN]

Never buy stuff off of Ebay unless it's no longer manufactured, it's just asking for trouble.

 

[memories2002]

Its too late, he rated him positive as well, this was bought in november. I just installed it on monday, dont ask why.!

 

[Duvie]

Still confront him...Ebay is fraught with fraud. Tell him this is not a legit chip and not what was advertised. Let him know you will be contacting ebay officials as well. May want to look at some of those auctions and PM those ppl who have won them and see if any are having issues as well....If there is a pattern of a few others then his goose will be cooked...

 

[memories2002]

Heres my cpu stepping numbers:
AXDA3200 DKV4E
9452253275928
AQXDA0412SPMW

 

[Mk1980]

you need to increase voltage, to etc. 1,675, 1,7v and try it ;-)

there could be simply reason for instability of your system, my motherboard etc. is running at 1,65v but in real it runs only at 1,61v, if it is also your problem, then there is no wonder, that your cpu is on 2,2ghz instable, check out real Voltage of your cpu, just watch PC HEALTH STATUS in bios, and you will see real cpu voltage, then also if you have 1,64v or 1,65, 1,66 , try to increase voltage of cpu, and everything will be cool ;-)

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

your old CPU was 333FSB, huh? my a7n8x couldn't handle 400mhz in dual channel mode, i had to run 395 and below in order for it to be stable becaue the motherboard was a POS.

try setting your FSB to 190 or 195, or using only ONE stick of ram and prime95 it for stability

 

[memories2002]

Ive removed the chip and seen it, the bridges have been tampered with..hard to tell but noticeable.

 

[memories2002]

Okay, i just tried 1.675V which reports as 1.70V in windows/MBM/probe..performance in sisoft for the first time equal to that of a 3200, but doom still crashed, so did hl2. GOnna try 1.70V now, which will prolly be shown as 1.73V in windows..I want to know, HOW MUCH voltage is SAFE voltage? Consider im idling at 57C now..indian weather.

 

[bradley]

I would first contact the seller. If he/she doesn't give you immediate satisfaction, the next step is to alert eBay, and chargeback your Paypal payment. Also try alerting AMD. I've heard of instances where AMD asks for the remarked chip, and rewards the informant with a new chip in return.

 

[cyman83]

i dont know if its really fake or not. it'd be hard for him to make the actual cpu code on the die.

 

[memories2002]

I spoke to my local AMD office here in mumbai, india, they just thanked me for the information, asked me to email entire transaction details, and said they couldnt replace the chip.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: memories2002
Heres my cpu stepping numbers:
AXDA3200 DKV4E
9452253275928
AQXDA0412SPMW

AXDA - Processor core arch/brand name
3200 - Model Number
D - package type
K - operating voltage
V - Max die temp
4 - Leven 2 cache size
E - Maximum system bus speed

there is probably NOTHING wring with this CPU, did you even try what i said? personally know 3 people who have all owned this motherboard and had the same problem,its a horrible motherboard. why are you so confident the CPU is to blame? do you have a picture of the traces?