Boston renames Christmas tree "Holiday tree".

[spacejamz]

the way this thread is turning out reminds of the South Park's Spirit of Christmas episode...What would Brian Boitano (sp???) do???

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

Well, yeah. And that's often true. Not that I care about that aspect. But the fundamentalists get up in arms about it. And now the fundamentalists are up in arms about getting rid of the idols, and only because it's (for the most part) atheists trying to get rid of them. It's just silly.

Whats silly is the fact that you actually think people like Jerry Fallwell care more about presents then they do the birth of Jesus Christ.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

So you DO get it!
Oh, and they didn't decide to have a Christmas tree, they borrowed that tradition from others.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

If you're a Christian and you think Jesus' birthday is on Dec. 25th, then you're one ignorant Christian.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Christmas trees have nothing to do with Jesus.

Yeah. It's funny that the fundementals get so worked up about "taking away" Easter and Christmas from Jesus and the idolatry that replaces Him. Then when atheists attack these idols, the fundamentals jump to their defense...

Most ignorant statement of the day!

Christians do not worship a Christmas tree. Therefore it is not an idol.

Are you kidding?

He's correct. Do you know the difference between an ICON and an IDOL?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

So you DO get it!
Oh, and they didn't decide to have a Christmas tree, they borrowed that tradition from others.

You idiots are going on about Christians like they're the one that started Christmas entirely or are responsible in any way for anything about Christmas other than snowblowing the lie that Christmas is all about Christ or ever was about Christ.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Christmas trees have nothing to do with Jesus.

Yeah. It's funny that the fundementals get so worked up about "taking away" Easter and Christmas from Jesus and the idolatry that replaces Him. Then when atheists attack these idols, the fundamentals jump to their defense...

Most ignorant statement of the day!

Christians do not worship a Christmas tree. Therefore it is not an idol.

Are you kidding?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idol

oh ok... cause I was looking here. Text


Edit:

wor·ship ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wûrshp)
n.

The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
Ardent devotion; adoration.
often Worship Chiefly British. Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

Uh, yeah, the definition proves you don't know the difference. "an idol OR a sacred object". Note the 'or' there indicating two separate items?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Whats silly is the fact that you actually think people like Jerry Fallwell care more about presents then they do the birth of Jesus Christ.

I have no idea what Jerry Falwell and his snake-oil enterpise think about any of it. I'm more referring to his followers, and he's gotta have them. People wouldn't listen to a lone blathering idiot like him without a large constituency backing him.

And again you twisted what I said into the exact opposite. I was implying that the people behind Falwell cared more about Christ than the presents/tree. That is, until atheists try to get rid of the presents/tree.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

So you DO get it!
Oh, and they didn't decide to have a Christmas tree, they borrowed that tradition from others.

And did you know Jesus was not actually born on December 25th either? Perhaps we should rename December 25th to "Holiday Day"

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

If you're a Christian and you think Jesus' birthday is on Dec. 25th, then you're one ignorant Christian.

Where did I say I thought that? In fact, read my last post again! Sheesh.

 

[CKent]

It's one of those small steps which will upset a few people, but are necessary in order to have the true freedom of religion our founding fathers envisioned. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Unfortunately, it's dwarfed by the much larger steps being taken in the opposite direction by the current administration.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

So you DO get it!
Oh, and they didn't decide to have a Christmas tree, they borrowed that tradition from others.

You idiots are going on about Christians like they're the one that started Christmas entirely or are responsible in any way for anything about Christmas other than snowblowing the lie that Christmas is all about Christ or ever was about Christ.

Hey, you and the other 100% Certified Einstein Geniuses (OPCEGs) need to calm down. I don't recall saying anything about whether Christmas was actually Christ's birthday or not. I didn't even state what the "meaning" of Christmas is. I'm talking about these people taking two seemingly opposing positions.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Nik
You idiots are going on about Christians like they're the one that started Christmas entirely or are responsible in any way for anything about Christmas other than snowblowing the lie that Christmas is all about Christ or ever was about Christ.

Wow! Yeah I guess thats why its called "Christmas" Who would think it would be about Christ. And if you want to argue about the sun god and how it all began I can. I have the time.

 

[DAGTA]

True Irony:

Changing 'Christmas Tree' to 'Holiday Tree' and claiming that has less to do with religion.

Roots of 'Holiday' -> Holy Day.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh now I see. So since Christians decide to have a Christmas tree and open presents on Jesus' birthday, they somehow are worshiping the tree and the presents, rather then the one whose birth is represented by that day!

So you DO get it!
Oh, and they didn't decide to have a Christmas tree, they borrowed that tradition from others.

You idiots are going on about Christians like they're the one that started Christmas entirely or are responsible in any way for anything about Christmas other than snowblowing the lie that Christmas is all about Christ or ever was about Christ.

Hey, you and the other 100% Certified Einstein Geniuses (OPCEGs) need to calm down. I don't recall saying anything about whether Christmas was actually Christ's birthday or not. I didn't even state what the "meaning" of Christmas is. I'm talking about these people taking two seemingly opposing positions.

Unless you're more than one person, "idiots" refers to more than just you. "So you DO get it!" in reply to Corbett's post shows that you agree with him, right? Were you just joking then? Sarcasm?

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: kogase
I have no idea what Jerry Falwell and his snake-oil enterpise think about any of it. I'm more referring to his followers, and he's gotta have them. People wouldn't listen to a lone blathering idiot like him without a large constituency backing him.

This statement proves that you obviously had already formed an opinion just based on the fact that Jerry Falwell is involved.

Originally posted by: kogase
And again you twisted what I said into the exact opposite. I was implying that the people behind Falwell cared more about Christ than the presents/tree. That is, until atheists try to get rid of the presents/tree.

Actually you missed the entire point of this thread if that is where you are going with this. The point is that reguardless of where it came from, the Christmas tree has become a symbol representing the holiday called Christmas on which we celebrate Christ's birth. And renaming the tree to anything else is obviously a lame attempt to remove Christ from the celebration of His own birth.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: RBachman
It's one of those small steps which will upset a few people, but are necessary in order to have the true freedom of religion our founding fathers envisioned. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Unfortunately, it's dwarfed by the much larger steps being taken in the opposite direction by the current administration.

Brush on your history and read the founding documents of the USA. 'Freedom of Religion' was not written as 'No religion, all must be secular'. It was written as, 'The gov't may not control religion or institute an official religion for the citizens.'

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Nik
You idiots are going on about Christians like they're the one that started Christmas entirely or are responsible in any way for anything about Christmas other than snowblowing the lie that Christmas is all about Christ or ever was about Christ.

Wow! Yeah I guess thats why its called "Christmas" Who would think it would be about Christ. And if you want to argue about the sun god and how it all began I can. I have the time.

Look at all the rituals that makes it Christmas. Christmas isn't Christmas because of the name; it's Christmas because of the rituals that have been going far before someone named it Christmas. Before Christmas, it was Yule, the pegan holiday.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Nik
Unless you're more than one person, "idiots" refers to more than just you. "So you DO get it!" in reply to Corbett's post shows that you agree with him, right? Were you just joking then? Sarcasm?

Uh... my brain is going in circles trying to comprehend the mess of posts, counterposts, retorts, counter-retorts in this thread. I no longer know who is talking to who and whatisitmahell.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Nik

Look at all the rituals that makes it Christmas. Christmas isn't Christmas because of the name; it's Christmas because of the rituals that have been going far before someone named it Christmas. Before Christmas, it was Yule, the pegan holiday.

And guess what? Christmas trees were not a symbol of "Yule" They were created as a symbol of Christmas. Thanks for playing. Next.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: kogase
I have no idea what Jerry Falwell and his snake-oil enterpise think about any of it. I'm more referring to his followers, and he's gotta have them. People wouldn't listen to a lone blathering idiot like him without a large constituency backing him.

This statement proves that you obviously had already formed an opinion just based on the fact that Jerry Falwell is involved.

Originally posted by: kogase
And again you twisted what I said into the exact opposite. I was implying that the people behind Falwell cared more about Christ than the presents/tree. That is, until atheists try to get rid of the presents/tree.

Actually you missed the entire point of this thread if that is where you are going with this. The point is that reguardless of where it came from, the Christmas tree has become a symbol representing the holiday called Christmas on which we celebrate Christ's birth. And renaming the tree to anything else is obviously a lame attempt to remove Christ from the celebration of His own birth.

Meh? What? So I guess it's safe to say that whatever you're thinking, you're merely wrong despite the fact that I've stated my position quite clearly. I'll leave you alone with that.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Nik

Look at all the rituals that makes it Christmas. Christmas isn't Christmas because of the name; it's Christmas because of the rituals that have been going far before someone named it Christmas. Before Christmas, it was Yule, the pegan holiday.

And guess what? Christmas trees were not a symbol of "Yule" They were created as a symbol of Christmas. Thanks for playing. Next.

Actually, Nimrod's wife (ever read the Bible?) created the tradition and she was a pegan. It's a pegan ritual.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: RBachman
It's one of those small steps which will upset a few people, but are necessary in order to have the true freedom of religion our founding fathers envisioned. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Unfortunately, it's dwarfed by the much larger steps being taken in the opposite direction by the current administration.

Brush on your history and read the founding documents of the USA. 'Freedom of Religion' was not written as 'No religion, all must be secular'. It was written as, 'The gov't may not control religion or institute an official religion for the citizens.'

So um, the city of Boston putting up a christmas tree *isn't* instituting any kind of religion? Not that I care or think it's religious in anyway.


Edit: god this is going to carry on indefinitely

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Nik

Look at all the rituals that makes it Christmas. Christmas isn't Christmas because of the name; it's Christmas because of the rituals that have been going far before someone named it Christmas. Before Christmas, it was Yule, the pegan holiday.

And guess what? Christmas trees were not a symbol of "Yule" They were created as a symbol of Christmas. Thanks for playing. Next.

Man, you ARE good! 😎

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Nik

Look at all the rituals that makes it Christmas. Christmas isn't Christmas because of the name; it's Christmas because of the rituals that have been going far before someone named it Christmas. Before Christmas, it was Yule, the pegan holiday.

And guess what? Christmas trees were not a symbol of "Yule" They were created as a symbol of Christmas. Thanks for playing. Next.

Actually, Nimrod's wife (ever read the Bible?) created the tradition and she was a pegan. It's a pegan ritual.

Read and be free.

http://biblefacts.org/myth/nimrod.html