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momeNt

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Personally, I don't care as long as the person isn't hurting another person. Who cares if dude wants to be a wolf or the woman wants to be a cat? How does that hurt you or yours?

Certain species abandon weak young offspring.

While I personally view abortion as a form of abandonment, and support child abandonment even after birth, under the context of liberty of the mother to not be conscripted to child-rearing by the government, there are many liberals and conservatives who do not. Some may say this is what makes us human, she wants to be recognized as not human, maybe not feline, but at the very least not human. Are we to afford her what her nature demands of her to do? Which would be to abandon weak offspring in order to preserve her own resources towards her stronger offspring? Should we be tolerant of that part of her feline nature?
 

chipwitch

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And by "not tolerating" someone who believes they're a cat, you would want society to do what, exactly? Lock them up? Lock up "cat people," or everyone who has strange beliefs about themselves or others? And who decides which beliefs are "too strange" to be tolerated, and which warrant being locked up?

Small government. Riiigggghhhhhtttt.

Bite your tongue. You don't need big government for that. Ostracization and bullying ain't never cost nobody nuthin'... except maybe the target/victim/person/individual Who cares about them? <sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious>
 

buckshot24

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And by "not tolerating" someone who believes they're a cat, you would want society to do what, exactly? Lock them up? Lock up "cat people," or everyone who has strange beliefs about themselves or others? And who decides which beliefs are "too strange" to be tolerated, and which warrant being locked up?

Small government. Riiigggghhhhhtttt.
Why are you ascribing all of these things to me? I don't want the government to lock him up because of this, I was making a general point about tolerance.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Why are you ascribing all of these things to me? I don't want the government to lock him up because of this, I was making a general point about tolerance.

What we're curious about is exactly what it means to "not tolerate" something in the way you have used it here.

Anything beyond standing around with a frowny face all the time?

If that's all you mean, then great -- we've found another thing that chickenshit conservatives can piss their pants in fear about. Oh happy day. The rest of us will continue living our lives the same as the day before, not scared in the slightest.
 

shira

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Why are you ascribing all of these things to me? I don't want the government to lock him up because of this, I was making a general point about tolerance.

But you haven't told us what "not tolerating" means. Tell us.
 

Jaskalas

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And by "not tolerating" someone who believes they're a cat, you would want society to do what, exactly? Lock them up? Lock up "cat people," or everyone who has strange beliefs about themselves or others? And who decides which beliefs are "too strange" to be tolerated, and which warrant being locked up?

Small government. Riiigggghhhhhtttt.

I suspect the topic boils down to trans is a mental illness and leave our bathroom (gender) segregation alone.
 

Herr Kutz

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What do you tolerant liberals think about this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3419631/Woman-says-s-CAT-trapped-human-body.html



If someone can be whatever race and gender they want, why not another species?

Maybe start an animal diversity program to ensure companies hire a wide range of human-animals?

This sort of shit is getting out of hand.

Grownups, yes actual grownups, think it's absolutely normal for grown men to think they they are women (and encourage it). This train of "thought" is absolutely mental, and liberals want these mentally deranged people to be allowed into restrooms/lockerrooms/etc. of real women and wandering around the general public instead of locked in a mental institution where they belong. Any rational person would fight any laws that seek to allow anything of the sort. This country is truly fucked up. Oh yeah, I'm a bigot for pointing out the obvious too, right.
 

alien42

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bizarre rant

so your solution for cat lady is to throw her in a mental institution?

even if she has done absolutely nothing to harm herself or others?

what if i think you should be thrown in a mental institution?
 

Herr Kutz

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so your solution for cat lady is to throw her in a mental institution?

even if she has done absolutely nothing to harm herself or others?

what if i think you should be thrown in a mental institution?

So the liberal answer is to put normal people into mental institutions. Interesting.
 

alien42

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So the liberal answer is to put normal people into mental institutions. Interesting.

i don't think you are normal, just as you don't think she is normal.

so you are saying that your opinion is superior than mine?

i personally think that she likely has a mental disability, but i don't believe that she should be locked up in a mental ward if she isn't harming anyone or herself.

you present a greater harm to society overall and therefore are a better candidate for the mental institute than she is.

btw, i originally presented you with three questions and you somehow turned those into a "liberal answer." that is really bizarre.
 
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AntonioHG

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Certain species abandon weak young offspring.

While I personally view abortion as a form of abandonment, and support child abandonment even after birth, under the context of liberty of the mother to not be conscripted to child-rearing by the government, there are many liberals and conservatives who do not. Some may say this is what makes us human, she wants to be recognized as not human, maybe not feline, but at the very least not human. Are we to afford her what her nature demands of her to do? Which would be to abandon weak offspring in order to preserve her own resources towards her stronger offspring? Should we be tolerant of that part of her feline nature?


Don't we have laws against that sort of thing?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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This sort of shit is getting out of hand.

Grownups, yes actual grownups, think it's absolutely normal for grown men to think they they are women (and encourage it). This train of "thought" is absolutely mental, and liberals want these mentally deranged people to be allowed into restrooms/lockerrooms/etc. of real women and wandering around the general public instead of locked in a mental institution where they belong. Any rational person would fight any laws that seek to allow anything of the sort. This country is truly fucked up. Oh yeah, I'm a bigot for pointing out the obvious too, right.

Oh look, children. Here's a chickenshit conservative pissing his pants in fear right now.
 

WHAMPOM

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chipwitch

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This sort of shit is getting out of hand.

Ah! Here it is. Moving beyond the mere passive suggestions and innuendo we get to the root of it. "I want to control the world around me." But wait, as if we haven't outgrown this silly little trait of a toddler, in the next breath we stamp our feet and hold our breath all the while insisting we're "Grownup".

Grownups, yes actual grownups, think it's absolutely normal for grown men to think they they are women (and encourage it). This train of "thought" is absolutely mental, and liberals want these mentally deranged people to be allowed into restrooms/lockerrooms/etc. of real women and wandering around the general public instead of locked in a mental institution where they belong. Any rational person would fight any laws that seek to allow anything of the sort. This country is truly fucked up. Oh yeah, I'm a bigot for pointing out the obvious too, right.

Who are you to decide what is and isn't mental? There's a whole professional community put in charge of that determination and they disagree with you. The problem with this is that I've no doubt that there is some character in you OTHERS would deem "mental," some even insisting you should be locked up. There is this grand delusion that some immortal being created us. This notion is relatively new, a creation of man's imagination. To take it a step further, when the majority of the world believes in a god, they insist (with the same fervor with which you've professed your own passions here) that someone elses god doesn't exist. That, my friend is the absolute pinnacle of insanity! "You can't be Napoleon! I AM NAPOLEON!" You don't believe in god? Well, then there's another reason to lock you up.

I have no complaints against people wanting control... unless it's control of my life and the ones I love. What may seem like common sense and "rational" to one will ALWAYS directly contradict what another thinks is common sense and rational. It's a very un-grownup mind that can't see that.
 
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I know what you're saying. I get it. The problem with being open-minded is that you have to be ok with closed-minded stuff. Right? Otherwise, you aren't very open-minded. It's like, I don't believe in hate, only love. Therefore, I should love those who hate. Since to love means "to support", to truly love we must support those who hate others. Let's aid them in everything they endeavor... including genocide.

We can play this notion of relativistic morality all day long... and still get nowhere because it all comes back to morality not being objective (no matter how much one protests it). The real difference between "tolerant liberal" and "intolerant conservative" (if that is the converse), isn't WHAT they think is tolerable... it's that with liberals, what is in-tolerable are exception and with conservatives, the rule. Conservatives go around trying to find others to be intolerant of, who have no impact whatsoever on their own lives. Liberals are intolerant of those intolerant people because they can't mind their own damn business.

It's like not believing in killing. Some people will make an exception if a killer insists on taking the life of an innocent. I can't say I know anyone who wouldn't kill to save a child from a killer (IF it was an absolute known fact that it was the only way to prevent the death of that child). Yet, I know many who are against killing. So, if comparing the killer of a child to one who would kill to protect the child makes them the same in YOUR mind, then I can see the confusion about thinking liberals are just intolerant of other things.

It's really less about morals and more about domination through denigration. It's how their world view is structured, it's how they themselves operate. Not that there aren't examples everywhere, but look at Trump's political rise for a very thorough one. It's also why they react so viscerally to "political correctness." A world of tolerance, where denigrating others costs you more than it gains you, is literally an existential threat to them.
 

WHAMPOM

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Tolerance is not a bad thing. Supposed tolerance that turns out to be actual intolerance is a bad thing. The vast majority of "tolerant" lefties are actually highly intolerant of anything other than their perspective.

We all know you are tolerent of others' intolerence that matches your own but not others' intolerence of your intolerence. Paradox on your part right?
 

WHAMPOM

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How far will liberal tolerance go?

Do as you will as long as it harms no one else, the single Pagan Golden Rule but more specific then the Christian , "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."and more free the the thousand other religions' religious laws.