Born gay or can you turn gay

[0roo0roo]

if u think u can turn gay u are either closet gay, closet bi, or a stupid idiot.

 

[Kadarin]

Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
According to every gay, and lesbian friend I've ever personally known it's a choice.

wow...I've never heard someone who was gay say it was a choice

just like straight people don't exactly choose to be striaght. I can't just decide I'm attracted to men all of a sudden

😕

It's a choice, but heterosexuality is the default choice.

default choice? That makes no sense

um...a little thing called procreation and instinct😕

... just because you were both with procreation and instinct [for heterosexuality], does not mean that I was.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

People are born gay, and people who think otherwise were born f*cking stupid (and still are).

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
People are born gay, and people who think otherwise were born f*cking stupid (and still are).

:laugh:

 

[Rastus]

Every society in the history of the world had gay people in them, even societies that were isolated from the rest of the world. So it is obvious that there are people that are 'born' gay because they didn't have anyone to teach them.

I can think of many reasons some people would 'choose' to be gay who would not be gay in other environments.

 

[Insane3D]

Why does it occur in nature with animals if it's a "choice"?

 

[RaiderJ]

I think the vast majority of people can't choose to be hetero or homo. My gay friends have always been gay - just as I've always been straight. Switching would be tough - I'd have to quit engineering school and go to like dance classes or something (kidding of course).

To be honest, I think being gay would be tough - you are limited to a much smaller population of potential "mates". Plus, you have to have codes and stuff to identify each other - can you imagine straight guys trying to communicate their sexuality discreetly to women? Would never happen! Heck, we can't even dress properly half the time.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

the difference being whether they know about the change or not? I would say the vast majority don't realize as it's happening that their crappy environment has molded their future as most of the people are young when this happens

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

the difference being whether they know about the change or not? I would say the vast majority don't realize as it's happening that their crappy environment has molded their future as most of the people are young when this happens

I would think it would be almost zero of people actually realizing it as it happens.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

the difference being whether they know about the change or not? I would say the vast majority don't realize as it's happening that their crappy environment has molded their future as most of the people are young when this happens

I don't think being gay is a symptom of a poor upbringing/homelife. Gay people can come from a perfectly happy home.

Abusive homes tend to bring up abusive children, not gay children.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

the difference being whether they know about the change or not? I would say the vast majority don't realize as it's happening that their crappy environment has molded their future as most of the people are young when this happens

I would think it would be almost zero of people actually realizing it as it happens.

which is why a VAST MAJORITY don't realize it 🙂

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Do you think that change is conscious, or sub-conscious?

the difference being whether they know about the change or not? I would say the vast majority don't realize as it's happening that their crappy environment has molded their future as most of the people are young when this happens

I don't think being gay is a symptom of a poor upbringing/homelife. Gay people can come from a perfectly happy home.

Abusive homes tend to bring up abusive children, not gay children.

I agree, I was just using an example

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Both.

 

[Rami7007]

born strait... become gay...

that stuff about it being a chemical thing in your brain when you are born is complete crap...


there are people who are gay and change to strait later (i mean way later even) in life... and vice versa... How can you be born that way if you change later...

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Rami7007
born strait... become gay...

that stuff about it being a chemical thing in your brain when you are born is complete crap...


there are people who are gay and change to strait later (i mean way later even) in life... and vice versa... How can you be born that way if you change later...

why can't it be both? Sheep have already been genetically engineered such that they're born gay, why can't it occur in humans?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Both. Some people are born gay. Some people are 'made' gay, but it's not a choice, they were abused or molested as children.

QFT

Gay people are no more likely to have been sexually abused or molested than are heterosexual people. There is no statistical association between sexual abuse experienced as a child and later, adult sexual orientation.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Utter bullsh1t. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that boys who are "abused" by their fathers are more likely to have a homosexual sexual orientation in adulthood.

There is no link, whatsoever, between an adult homosexual orientation and any kind of psychpoathological process initiated in childhood.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Way too many people believe being gay is about whether you have sex with someone of the same gender. It's not; it's about who you are physically attracted to. You are born gay, just as you are born straight (or even bisexual). However, you can certainly exercise choice and free will, and engage in sexual activity with whoever.

Good points. But I would like to say that many people are born straight but due to their environment (say an abusive father) will change their life preferences, such as sexual orientation

Utter bullsh1t. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that boys who are "abused" by their fathers are more likely to have a homosexual sexual orientation in adulthood.

There is no link, whatsoever, between an adult homosexual orientation and any kind of psychpoathological process initiated in childhood.

I was just throwing an example out there, calm down. It's my understanding that trauma in general causes divergencies from the norm.

a more appropriate example may be molestation

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Both. Some people are born gay. Some people are 'made' gay, but it's not a choice, they were abused or molested as children.

QFT

Gay people are no more likely to have been sexually abused or molested than are heterosexual people. There is no statistical association between sexual abuse experienced as a child and later, adult sexual orientation.

I could google for proof but it would be pointless. I'm sure there are probably studies that support or discredit both claims.

Let me ask you some questions though. Would you expect to find that a significant percent of female strippers, prostitutes, porn stars, etc. were introduced to sex at a very early age by older males?
Would you be surprised to find that a large percent of male pedophiles were themselves victims of pedoplilia at a young age?
Would you be surprised to find that a large percent of wife beaters grew up in homes plagued by domestic violence?

 

[0roo0roo]

ugh, those have more to do with social status and culture. most gay people aren't rape/molestees.

 

[Red Dawn]

Why would anyone choose to be Gay?

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ugh, those have more to do with social status and culture. most gay people aren't rape/molestees.

They have to do with traumatic experiences at a young age, things that happen despite status and culture. I',m not saying most gays have been molested. I think a lot of gays were born that way. I also think that children that are molested by a gay person are likely to reinact that trauma.

I don't understand why gay people get all upset over this.