SP33Demon
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Do soccer players need strength?
Do sprinters need strength?
How about swimmers?
Marathon runners?
They all pertain to the same steroid, THG, that Giambi and Bonds are on. All these different athletes are being tested for it b/c it enhances almost every physical aspect of the body, you don't know what you're talking about. It enhances strength, muscle to fat ratio by increasing levels of testosterone, and endurance. Want to rethink your post?
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
And niether do drug tests, none of which he has failed!Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Agreed. I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is. He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
How do you know he hasn't failed any? The results of last years random testing was kept completely confidential. Also, have any of his previous samples been retested for THG? It's pretty easy to say he's never failed one when none of the results have ever been made public. At least as far as I'm aware of.
Whether they took steroids or not, I will give them the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty.
Giambi has terrible knees. Maybe he had to lose some weight so it'd put less strain on them so he can prolong his career?
With Bonds, I have a feeling it might have to do with body chemistry. From my own personal experience, in one year, I went from a rail thin 168 lbs to 205 lbs. In that year, I was pretty intense in the weight room and didn't even take any supplements. It's just my body. I've always had the frame to put on muscle but never did. If Bonds is just as big this year, it's possible he's similar. Maybe a few summers ago, he decided he wanted to bulk up and his body make up made it easy for him to do so.
To look at numbers is just retarded because EVERYONES numbers have gone up in recent years. Hitting 20 homeruns and driving in 90 runs will put most people like 6th or 7th in the batting order. Red Sox had what, 6 people with over 20 homeruns? Did Bill Mueller bust out this year cuz he tried some of the juice?
Giambi has terrible knees. Maybe he had to lose some weight so it'd put less strain on them so he can prolong his career?
With Bonds, I have a feeling it might have to do with body chemistry. From my own personal experience, in one year, I went from a rail thin 168 lbs to 205 lbs. In that year, I was pretty intense in the weight room and didn't even take any supplements. It's just my body. I've always had the frame to put on muscle but never did. If Bonds is just as big this year, it's possible he's similar. Maybe a few summers ago, he decided he wanted to bulk up and his body make up made it easy for him to do so.
To look at numbers is just retarded because EVERYONES numbers have gone up in recent years. Hitting 20 homeruns and driving in 90 runs will put most people like 6th or 7th in the batting order. Red Sox had what, 6 people with over 20 homeruns? Did Bill Mueller bust out this year cuz he tried some of the juice?
I've used steroids.....well, an otic steroid solution for when I have ear infections. 
They are all innocent until proven guilty.
They are all innocent until proven guilty.
People hate Bonds. Period. So any reason to accuse him of anything they'll take it. I'll be the first to say I don't think roids has a thing to do with it. Roids don't produce the numbers he put up. As for Sheffield I'll say the same thing. Giambi I doubt is or was a serious steroid user either. Folks who know anything about roids will agree. As a matter of fact there is at least 3 steroids I can name right off the top of my head that will increase your strength dramatically and yet add very little body weight. So for all you folks getting hooked on size and puffy faces, its called getting old. Hell I'm 30lbs heavier and still built very well from when I was 19. So Bonds size is definately not a sign of these steroids. They accused Sosa too especially when he was struggling at the beginning last year. Well by the end of the year he was knocking them out of the park as usual. I just get tired of the accusations. And believe this is if any of these had tested positive it would have been leaked by now. This investigation has been going on for years and yet not one release of a positive test for any of them. Its a joke.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
And niether do drug tests, none of which he has failed!Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Agreed. I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is. He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
Another loser in Jim Rome. Well did he say the same thing about Roger Maris? Roger Maris hit 39 homeruns the year before he hit 61 to break Babe Ruth's record. That is 22 more homeruns. Bonds the year before he hit 73 hit 49. Thats 24 more homeruns. Hmmmm one guy hits 22 more and the other guy hits 24 more. One is accused of doing roids and the other well we know there's no way any of the older players used illegal substances back then. Yea ok. Roids have been around since the early 1920's. It wasn't until the 70's that folks began to realize how dangerous they were. Want another tidbit? Back then guess what Ruth, Maris, Mays, Aaron, when those guys were htting 50 some homeruns a year guess most others were hitting 30. Did they do enhancing drugs too? Same thing today. You have an elite few. The fact is athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster. The nutrition is so so much better. Hell your average protein powder alone is so much more advanced then yesteryear. Give me a positive test first. And obvioulsy if everyone else is testing positive I am sure they would have too. And it would have been leaked no doubt.
SP33Demon
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Your argument for Bill Mueller holds no weight, he only hit 12 more Home Runs (he had 19 for the record) vs 7 the year before in 158 more at bats. Yes everyone's numbers have gone up, it's b/c MLB has a serious dilution of good pitching. More importantly, you are missing the point. Mueller wasn't the one that received steroids.
I've added 25 lbs of solid muscle as well, but I only went up from 175 to 200, and I bodybuild seriously. But baseball players are not body builders, they don't have time to time their meals and hit the gym in the morning and at night 5 days a week. They are usually travelling most of the season and preparing for games doing batting practice, flyballs, etc. Barry Bonds is listed at 6-2 228, but he's probably more like 240-250... When you looked at him when he first came in the league, he was
no more than 175 lbs. Now look at his most recent 2003 pic.
Now look at Jason Giambi from this year's spring training vs the pic from last year. He claims he only lost 4 pounds? Now you know something has to be up, b/c he has visually lost more than 4 pounds from the bottom picture. Hell, I can lose 4 pounds in 1 week if I don't take my protein shakes or drink a gallon of water a day. He's obviously lying, but the picture doesn't lie.
SP33Demon
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Let me be the first to say that you are full of sht.
Why didn't you list the 3 steroids that you allegedly claim will increase strength but not add weight if you knew them "off the top of your head"? Even IF you could name 3, it doesn't matter, b/c the steroid that Bonds, Giambi, and Shef are taking is THG, made by Balco Labs. THG contains ingredients that are used to make our cattle bigger. Just for the record, I did like Bonds, I thought he was a spectacular hitter. Not now, that it's been proven he received steroids... He can deny it all he wants, but we all know the loser was juicing, just like Ken Caminiti when he was MVP, and like Jose Canseco. All fvcking losers.
Primo, Winstrol, Anavar. These 3 depending on dosages will increase your strength without a doubt. Size is dependant a few things. Most roids are stacked anyway. But the thing many of the great minds including yourself fail to mention is this. This steroid has been tested now for awhile. And many athletes have tested positive. Now we know all of these guys have been tested for this very same drug. But yet not one leaked positive test from anyone of these players that are being accused. Not one. Now I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that if one of these guys had tested positive it would have without a doubt been leaked. Everything else has leaked. I mean everything. But yet no positive tests for a steroid we know they were tested for.
Heh... not surprise this has turned into Yankees are now cheaters thread
Im sure they are not the only team that has steriod users, if in fact Giambi did. It most definitely looks as if he did.... You can't honestly say any of the other teams dont have steriod users just based on one article?
Cmon gimme a break there have got to be other steriod users that have flown under the radar. I guess the Yankees are the only true evil in baseball.
I guess they were the team that pressured all the other MLB teams to sign the last labor agreement and were in cahoots with the Players Union since the Yankees must have known they were going to sign Giambi and he was on steriods.
If in fact they do somehow prove the listed players have used juice... I say label all their statistics null and void plus void the contracts.
No team should need steriod users on their team.
Seriously though what next? Fans all walk? Both the players union and the owners have some work cut out for them when the next labor agreement comes up....
Oh right Im sure there are enough Yankees and Red Sox fans to keep the MLB afloat whenever something new baseball problem pops up.
Im sure they are not the only team that has steriod users, if in fact Giambi did. It most definitely looks as if he did.... You can't honestly say any of the other teams dont have steriod users just based on one article?
Cmon gimme a break there have got to be other steriod users that have flown under the radar. I guess the Yankees are the only true evil in baseball.
I guess they were the team that pressured all the other MLB teams to sign the last labor agreement
and were in cahoots with the Players Union since the Yankees must have known they were going to sign Giambi and he was on steriods. If in fact they do somehow prove the listed players have used juice... I say label all their statistics null and void plus void the contracts.
No team should need steriod users on their team.
Seriously though what next? Fans all walk? Both the players union and the owners have some work cut out for them when the next labor agreement comes up....
Oh right Im sure there are enough Yankees and Red Sox fans to keep the MLB afloat whenever something new baseball problem pops up.
SP33Demon
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Thanks for the hormone names, I know a guy at the gym who's on Winstrol. He went from 170 shrimp, max bench press was around 150, to 215 pounds of RIPPED muscle in TWO MONTHS and maxed 315+. I asked him what his diet was, and he said "Roy Rogers chicken after every workout, I take the skin off so I won't take in much fat." We later found out that he had been asking about Winstrol, and it's very obvious that he's on it (he got bigger/ripped in 2 months than people like my friends and I who have been there for 2+years lifting). So I'm not buying that Winstrol doesn't add mass, don't know much about the other 2 though.
Read my above post about John Smoltz being quoted that baseball drug tests are a joke.
They randomly tested these guys, and let them know in advance. Their punishment?
Treatment only? Lmao, you get a 2 year BAN from the Olympics. Yes they have been tested, but it's a joke. Players can take dieuretics, and hide it. Last year THG wouldn't have even showed up in a drug test. They just started testing for it (it was only discovered in June, 2003, as linked in my article above:
Ok, so 4 SPECTACULAR Olympic athletes have tested positive for THG, and they got it from Balco Labs... same company that sent it to Giambi, Bonds, and Shef's houses. Shef's attorney states that he never "knowingly took a steroid or cream". Ben Johnson said he never knowingly took steroids. Right Ben, you thought it was just a vial of protein. Furthermore, Toth and Chambers are now claiming that they never knowingly took THG, and are in court over it. To repeat, Sheffield's attorney's statement:""Gary Sheffield has never knowingly ingested a steroid ... and Gary Sheffield has never knowingly applied an anabolic steroid cream to his body." It sounds like his attorney is getting ready to plead the age old case: Yes it was shipped to him, he took it, but not knowing what it was. We've seen it before, it happened last summer with THG circumventing drug tests prior to this year, and we have proof of Barry Bonds having it SHIPPED to his HOUSE in 2001:
I don't know about you, but if you have something SHIPPED to your house for over 2-3 years, then you're USING IT. End of story, ban Barry from baseball, and take away all of his achievements. Mark McGwire's record is now legit in my book.
SP33Demon
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McGwire admitted to taking Andro, which is a legal supplement. It's nothing compared to THG, which was made to beef up cattle.
As far as the anonymous sources go, I would believe it b/c of Sheffield's attorney's defensive response to the report that it was shipped to Sheffield. Remember, she never said that Shef didn't receive the drugs in the mail. Not once. She did say he never took them knowingly. That raises some red flags, don't you think? Why didn't she just say, no he never received nor took them EVER. Instead we get this cryptic response about steroids, even in the form of cream. I'm willing to bet this story will get even bigger as more and more names surface... Benito Santiago? Randy Velarde? Both received THG in the mail, isn't it odd how Santiago received it when he and Bonds were both on the Giants... or when Giambi and Velarde were both on the A's? Isn't it strange how both of these teams are in the "Bay area"? And Balco is located in the "Bay"? hmmmmm you decide.
WTF? McGwire was on andro which is illegal in practically every sport but baseball. So how is he more legit than Bonds other than his drug being technically legal in baseball? Assuming Bonds did take 'roids, both McGwire and Bonds used supplements that are well known for getting people jacked (go look at before and after pics of McGwire).
I find that fact that you hold McGwire in higher standing than Bonds hypocritical.
ThePresence
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Which makes his records even more remarkable.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Ruth was Juiced too. Of course the Juice he was using was a quart of Gin a day
He had to choose which of the 7 balls that were coming at him to swing at.
jman19
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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Agreed. <b>I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is.</b> He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
Umm, you do know that steroids often make it easier to sustain injuries.
You just sound like a bitter sox fan... maybe if Pedro wasn't so arrogant (staying in game 7) you guys would have won the WS last year. The Sox have no one to blame but themselves for their failures.
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