Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield accused of using steroids
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It's quite obvious Giambi is off the juice. When he reported to camp, his own teammates were saying he's a shell of his former self. Coincidence? I highly doubt it.
*shrugs* All I am saying is that I'm not about to jump the gun and say it's official. We'll never really know unless he has past blood samples in storage somewhere that have been or can be tested.
SP33Demon
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Hey Yankee fans, how do you feel about the 2 Game 7 home runs hit by Giambi now? They both barely made it over the wall and were the reason the game even went to extra innings... yes it's easy to win when you CHEAT. Fvcking loser = Giambi. Oh and the 15 inch pythons (lmao, my arms are bigger than that and I don't have to JUICE) are a laughable remnant of his 18 inchers from last year. To reiterate, Giambi = Fvcking loser. Guaranteed Giambi hits those fly balls off Pedro this year and they barely make it to the warning track.
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
ya know it sucks for the athlete, even if they're completly innocent there'll always be that shadow of a doubt.
OMG, I can't believe you went there. How about the Ortiz home runs? What about Manny. Who's to say Pedro isn't on steroids? And don't give me - "pitchers don't need steroids" line. Storoids make your muscles stronger, preventing damage. We all know Pedro used to have shoulder problems and now he's fine. Either way - my point is any player could've been taking steroids. You can't argue results of the games just because of one player.
Ok. As a Yankee fan I admit it.
We won 26 World Series titles because of steroids.
You Red Sox fans can have them back.
We won 26 World Series titles because of steroids.
You Red Sox fans can have them back.
SP33Demon
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Agreed. I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is. He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
SP33Demon
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BS, Ortiz, Manny and Pedro weren't GIVEN STEROIDS like Giambi. They don't have the same trainer as BARRY BONDS, who 2 MLB players said he was on the "Juice". Did you even read the link of the article you posted?? Were any Red Sox players named in the article? Furthermore, it's been stated on numerous talk shows including Jim Rome and ESPN that Giambi's arms went from around 18 inches to 15 in ONE OFF SEASON. I've seen it with my own eyes, and unless he's politically protesting by fasting like Ghandi, no way in hell a player would intentionally lose that much, especially in a game where strength can decide the difference of a fly ball vs a homerun.
Furthermore, saying Pedro is on roids is just RIDICULOUS. Look at him for Christ's sake! He weighs 160 lbs WET. If he added muscle, it would kill his flexibility which = mph on his fastball. Maybe you never played baseball and pitched, but I did. It's a common fact that if you bulk up your pitching arm it = less range of motion which = less velocity. Just saying Pedro is on Roids invalidates anything you say, and we can't take you seriously.
SP33Demon
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On Base% Plus Slugging% Barry walked a shtload more in the past 2 years, b/c if pitchers actually pitched to him like in 2001 he would have had 80+ HR's. Hence more walks = raising his OPS to the same level of 2001 (from 2002 and 2003).
EDIT: Barry walked 177 times in 2001 in 153 games 2001, walked 198 times in 143 games 2002, and 148 in 130 games in 2003.
Hmm, steroids aren't just for gaining muscle. There are steroids that make you faster, there are steroids that make you ignore pain, and so on. Why do you think runners take steroids? They don't need to gain weight, on the contrary, they need to be as light as possible.
Either way - you lost the game. Deal with it.
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And niether do drug tests, none of which he has failed!Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Agreed. I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is. He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
There are different types of steroids that give you different results. Runners, bicyclists, swimmers prefer
steroids that improve endurance.
But body builders don't need this endurance they need to build body mass. So they take a different steroid.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
And niether do drug tests, none of which he has failed!Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Agreed. I also find it funny that someone on roids can't even stay healthy for half the season, what a pathetic joke Giambi is. He was probably on the juice when he was MVP with the A's too.Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Oh, they'll still say that the roids had nothing to do with it, just like Bonds hitting 75 home runs. No, they'll say the ball is juiced, and not them.
About Barry Bonds, Jim Rome said it best: "When you haven't hit more than the 40's for your whole career in home runs, and all of sudden hit 73 when you get a new trainer, it's OBVIOUS something changed." I agree, look at Barry's stats for HR's by year: 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, 25, 34, 46, 37, 33, 42, 40, 37, 34, 49, 73, 46, 45. Yes he only hit 46 and 45 in the past 2 years but that was b/c noone would pitch to him, as proof he was STILL on the JUICE: 2001: 73 HRs, 1.378 OPS. 2002: 46 HRs, 1.381 OPS. 2003: 45 HRs, 1.278 OPS. OPS doesn't lie folks. You could even argue that in 2000, when he hit 49 HRs, he started the "juice", b/c his OPS was 1.128. Prior to that from beginning of his career - 1999 he avg'd an OPS of .968 over 14 years. The numbers don't lie.
True but then again, the steroid his trainer was nabbed with was the one that up until very recently was very difficult to detect.
SP33Demon
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You think it's hard to change a piss test? You've gotta be kidding me, drug testing in the MLB is a joke.
Take it from John Smoltz.
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There is no doubt in my mind that players like Giambi and Bonds were on steroids, you can make your own opinions. Statements made by players Turk Wendell, Denny Neagle, and John Smoltz only solidify my opinion. I agree, it's still takes hand/eye coordination to hit a baseball. But how much of that involves forearm strength (alot), and how many flyballs are now turned into home runs?
True also, but if Bonds remains as big as he's been in the past (unlike "4 pd. loss" Giambi...) then I'd be willing to bet that Bonds isn't on the juice.
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